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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:11 PM Jun 2017

The face of Reality Leigh Winner, NSA whistle-blower/leaker.

In case anyone's interested.

She's so young -- and she's just changed the course of her life. She now faces 10 years in Federal prison. I hope she'll feel it was worth it, in the end.

Her last Facebook post says: "“You are what you love, not who loves you.”

Interestingly, she predicted DT's win before the election. I wonder if that was based on other things she was seeing.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/reality-leigh-winner-leak-classified-information-nsa-top-secret-fbi/

A 25-year-old federal contract worker from Augusta, Georgia has been charged by the Department of Justice for taking Top Secret materials from her workplace and mailing them to a news outlet.

Reality Leigh Winner was arrested by the F.B.I. on June 3 and appeared in federal court in Augusta on June 5. She was charged with gathering, transmitting or losing defense information that could have been damaging to the U.S. It’s alleged that she took a Top Secret document, copied it and mailed it to a news organization, believed to be The Intercept, NBC News reported.

The Intercept had published an intelligence document on May 5 that’s in line with what’s said in a criminal complaint. The report described details about Russian efforts to hack voting systems in the U.S. about one week before the 2016 presidential election. The document said that it “raises the possibility that Russian hacking may have breached at least some elements of the voting system, with disconcertingly uncertain results.”

SNIP

Prior to working for Pluribus, Winner was an active duty member of the U.S. Air Force. She was in the Air Force as a linguist, and speaks Pashto, Farsi and Dari, her mother told The Guardian’s Jon Swaine.

Notably, Winner didn’t hide her stance on politics. Just one day before the 2016 presidential election, she made a post to Facebook saying “on a positive note, This Tuesday when we become the United States of the Russian Federation, Olympic lifting will be the national sport.”

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The face of Reality Leigh Winner, NSA whistle-blower/leaker. (Original Post) pnwmom Jun 2017 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author AngryAmish Jun 2017 #1
Most people keep the name their parents give them. pnwmom Jun 2017 #4
Sounds like she had shitty parents. AngryAmish Jun 2017 #5
Geez..her father just died... HipChick Jun 2017 #12
No, it sounds like she had "hippie" parents. n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #14
And the hippie parents taught her a few things about integrity DBoon Jun 2017 #59
That's a shitty thing to say. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #6
Fair play. AngryAmish Jun 2017 #7
Sounds like she had the patriotism we so far have not seen from a single republican in the Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #2
Yes I agree just like Daniel Ellsberg. benfranklin1776 Jun 2017 #45
I know what she did was legally wrong. Tatiana Jun 2017 #3
+1. It's a mixed up world, but sometimes the Ends do justify the Means. NightWatcher Jun 2017 #9
i'm with you. barbtries Jun 2017 #21
Yes. I hate the precedent, but these are not normal times. Squinch Jun 2017 #23
The Intercept did virtually nothing to help protect her identity. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #8
I was going to mention this. They should have done a better job of protecting her identity. Tatiana Jun 2017 #10
Yep they did not know how to protect their source. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #11
Or maybe they didn't care. This is Greenwald's publication, don't forget. pnwmom Jun 2017 #16
+1, the Intercept is a joke. n/t FSogol Jun 2017 #17
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. woolldog Jun 2017 #19
Greenwald of the Russian persuasion? Barack_America Jun 2017 #55
Yeah, that one. n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #58
Pure speculation. You don't know what happened onit2day Jun 2017 #51
They'll reap what they sowed on this ... they could've helped her and decided not to YCHDT Jun 2017 #20
It appears they caught her because only 6 people accessed that data.... PoliticAverse Jun 2017 #29
Seems that last bit would be pivotal. deurbano Jun 2017 #35
Good point. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #36
Wonder Woman? Pffft. This one is the real heroine. 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #13
Trumpsters are all over her Facebook page teach1st Jun 2017 #15
cool. i'm growing my blocked list. barbtries Jun 2017 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Alhena Jun 2017 #56
There's so many in the intel community that feel there's SOMETHING wrong with D2S !!! She seems ... YCHDT Jun 2017 #18
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2017 #24
If she has a GoFundMe page or something I'm in for a donation. Anyone know? AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2017 #25
Same here. I'm in. Duppers Jun 2017 #41
I hope she gets a good lawyer and a merciful prosecutor. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #26
Whistleblower conviction! yallerdawg Jun 2017 #27
25-year old Federal Contractor with TS clearance. My40+ daughter with a Ph.D. in criminology nikibatts Jun 2017 #28
She's ex military. woolldog Jun 2017 #30
The languages she speaks certainly indicate that. Barack_America Jun 2017 #49
I know quite a few people with TS/SCI. tammywammy Jun 2017 #44
Wait so we like whistleblowers/leaks now? vi5 Jun 2017 #31
Either way, Intercept still sucks. So, there is consistency on that point. deurbano Jun 2017 #37
Guess it depends on who you ask and on what day Nevernose Jun 2017 #60
Exactly.... vi5 Jun 2017 #61
It could also be predicated on context, detail, difference, agenda, etc LanternWaste Jun 2017 #63
It all sounds fishy to me . How long have they been blueinredohio Jun 2017 #32
She possibly and most likely knew someone there. Duppers Jun 2017 #42
She was only there since Feb. Historic NY Jun 2017 #33
In my book she is a hero. I just wonder if it would have been better for the Intercept still_one Jun 2017 #34
the replies in the comment section of your link (heavy) are horrible orleans Jun 2017 #38
Sometimes you have to do the "wrong" thing for the right reasons FailureToCommunicate Jun 2017 #39
So it was OK for blotus to give secrets to Russian spies but ..... BSdetect Jun 2017 #40
Yeah, I'd like to see that case brought first before Ilsa Jun 2017 #46
If there were not leekers in this country.... Duppers Jun 2017 #43
Sacrifice orangecrush Jun 2017 #47
She deserves a presidential pardon dalton99a Jun 2017 #48
Not from this goober onit2day Jun 2017 #52
From the next D president dalton99a Jun 2017 #54
Anyone can flip votes in under 5 minutes on e-machines as shown on television years ago judesedit Jun 2017 #50
I like to think I would have done the same if I saw that document. Barack_America Jun 2017 #53
Look at this Freeper filth commenting, another female to boot ... Alhena Jun 2017 #57
So all the outlets she *could* have gone to, she chooses the motherfucking Intercept? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #62
I don't think RT would have been receptive orangecrush Jun 2017 #65
Final verdict: She really was that fucking dumb... Makes Ed look like Mensa Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #68
My "verdict" orangecrush Jun 2017 #69
I agree her heart was in the right place (unlike Snowden) Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #70
I think it's entirely possible orangecrush Jun 2017 #71
The News outlet itcfish Jun 2017 #64
She's a brave young woman. A real American hero. jalan48 Jun 2017 #66
Seemingly bright person who screwed up their life...for a mediocre secret info jmg257 Jun 2017 #67
Obviously a novice the printers have coding that identifies them.... Historic NY Jun 2017 #72
I know her heart is in the right place, but she just gets dumber by the day: Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #73

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
2. Sounds like she had the patriotism we so far have not seen from a single republican in the
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:13 PM
Jun 2017

house or senate.

I am sure they will destroy her for it.

benfranklin1776

(6,448 posts)
45. Yes I agree just like Daniel Ellsberg.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 09:31 PM
Jun 2017

Providing the American people the truth they need to hear to wake them up before their democracy is irrevocably lost.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
21. i'm with you.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:36 PM
Jun 2017

they're gonna use her, abuse her, and probably keep her in prison for years while donald trump who leaked sensitive intelligence to a hostile nation, continues to be the president. sigh.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. The Intercept did virtually nothing to help protect her identity.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:15 PM
Jun 2017

They caught her because the Intercept showed them a copy of the physical printout showing the crease/fold.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
10. I was going to mention this. They should have done a better job of protecting her identity.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:17 PM
Jun 2017

But, she did take the risk.

Still, she probably expected them to do a better job of protecting their source.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
16. Or maybe they didn't care. This is Greenwald's publication, don't forget.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:25 PM
Jun 2017

Too bad she didn't send it to the NY Times or the Washington Post.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
19. Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:31 PM
Jun 2017

She should've sent this to the NY Times or WAPO. They have experience and could've protected her. She's a patriot and a whistleblower in my book.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
55. Greenwald of the Russian persuasion?
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:04 PM
Jun 2017

Unfortunate choice for her.

Still, she didn't exactly hide. I think she expected this and felt it worth it.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
29. It appears they caught her because only 6 people accessed that data....
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:18 PM
Jun 2017

and she had a record of email contact with the news organization.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
22. cool. i'm growing my blocked list.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:39 PM
Jun 2017

dang i thought we had a philosophy of innocent until proven guilty??

Response to teach1st (Reply #15)

YCHDT

(962 posts)
18. There's so many in the intel community that feel there's SOMETHING wrong with D2S !!! She seems ...
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 07:30 PM
Jun 2017

... rational and thinks there has to be something done.

Praying for the best for her

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
41. Same here. I'm in.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 09:14 PM
Jun 2017

She is a heroine!

It's sickening that the true criminals will not have to pay for their crimes but this whistleblower must fight to stay out of prison for exposing a crime that would most likely have stayed hidden for a long time.

Elections are coming and this info is pertinent and important.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
27. Whistleblower conviction!
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:12 PM
Jun 2017

She may have violated the law, but that doesn't mean she committed a crime!

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
28. 25-year old Federal Contractor with TS clearance. My40+ daughter with a Ph.D. in criminology
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:14 PM
Jun 2017

couldn't achieve that...Whom did she know?
Intel has been burned thrice by these privileged children.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
44. I know quite a few people with TS/SCI.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 09:28 PM
Jun 2017

They're not "privileged children". The question is what's in your daughters background that prevents her from getting a clearance.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
31. Wait so we like whistleblowers/leaks now?
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:20 PM
Jun 2017

Just checking.

I mean I do, and I support information on what our government is doing being available to the public. But I felt that way before Trump was President as well.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
60. Guess it depends on who you ask and on what day
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 11:07 PM
Jun 2017

I, for instance, always saw Edward Snowden as more of a "civilly disobedient" person than an actual criminal, and it would be nice if he could ever come home again.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
61. Exactly....
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 08:10 AM
Jun 2017

That's my point. I think whistleblowing and bringing government activities done in our name and with our tax dollars to light is a good thing. I was fine when Snowden did it and I'm DEFINITELY fine with this woman doing it. But the hypocrisy on this page is glaring and sad.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
63. It could also be predicated on context, detail, difference, agenda, etc
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:01 AM
Jun 2017

It could also be predicated on context, detail, difference, agenda, etc. rather than the simplistic "what day it is".

I do however, understand the desire to consciously ignore it as such though... as doing so would both trivialize and deny your narrative.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
32. It all sounds fishy to me . How long have they been
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:23 PM
Jun 2017

Looking for leakers? Finally found one and she sends it to Intercept? Not buying it.

still_one

(92,242 posts)
34. In my book she is a hero. I just wonder if it would have been better for the Intercept
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:27 PM
Jun 2017

to delay the release of this information until more data was revealed, but regardless, this is a patriot in my book


orleans

(34,061 posts)
38. the replies in the comment section of your link (heavy) are horrible
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:43 PM
Jun 2017

they sound like a bunch of trump right wing freaks

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
46. Yeah, I'd like to see that case brought first before
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 09:57 PM
Jun 2017

the same judge (wishful thinking) she'll see.

I feel bad for her, but I appreciate what she did. Still, there is one question: did her leaking this to the press interfere with nailing the damn bastards in any way? I have my doubts, but I wonder if that is an issue.

judesedit

(4,439 posts)
50. Anyone can flip votes in under 5 minutes on e-machines as shown on television years ago
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:00 PM
Jun 2017

Check out blackboxvoting.org for truth

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
53. I like to think I would have done the same if I saw that document.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:02 PM
Jun 2017

Sorry, but she gets a from me.

Not many good reasons for information like that to be held from the American public.

Alhena

(3,030 posts)
57. Look at this Freeper filth commenting, another female to boot ...
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:12 PM
Jun 2017

Reality Winter:

There is nothing that can fix the hole in my heart that you left behind. I still don't know who I am without you here or how to keep moving forward without the one person who believed unconditionally in everything I want to do in life. Old habits die hard, I still find myself making time to call you in the evenings or jotting down notes or stories to tell you next time we speak. Somehow, though, I feel like you are a little closer, here, among the pyramids you used to endlessly tell us about, and always hoped to see. It's like I have a little piece of you here with me. I miss you, Dad. You would have loved to be here, though I'm sure you would have been bitching about the hot weather every minute.

Freeper response:

Michelle Engel I bet dad is glad he's dead considering his daughter is a traitor to our country.

To think, a blow job by your mom would have prevented you, I mean this.....

Bahaha

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1725100754183075&set=ecnf.100000495013413&type=3&theater

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
62. So all the outlets she *could* have gone to, she chooses the motherfucking Intercept?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 08:36 AM
Jun 2017

She's either a lot dumber than she looks, or Greenwald paid her way more than any other outlet was going to... I guess she tried calling RT or Sputnik first, but their phones were busy...

All this for one slide? Or did she hand over a bunch of Russian files for Greenwald to hoard and trickle out over the next 20 years?? This moron is literally going to jail for confirming a story reported last summer? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-is-investigating-foreign-hacks-of-state-election-systems/2016/08/29/6e758ff4-6e00-11e6-8365-b19e428a975e_story.html

If nothing else, I'm grateful that her actions officially debunk the flimsy excuses why Snowden supposedly wasn't able to grab any files about Russian wrongdoing... Just one more thing I was right about, but I'm not holding my breath for a medal.

As an aside, where the fuck are Snowden, Assange, Timm and the rest of the privacy bros decrying Trump's "War on Whistleblowers?"

orangecrush

(19,575 posts)
65. I don't think RT would have been receptive
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:49 AM
Jun 2017

To a document exposing Russian hacking, or the intelligence communities awareness of same.

That said, trusting anything Greenwald connected was stupid.

orangecrush

(19,575 posts)
69. My "verdict"
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 05:48 PM
Jun 2017

It angers me
To see the older people in positions of power too cowardly to risk anything to stop this destruction of democracy, while a bright young woman with everything to lose lays it all down.

I am ashamed for them, because apparently they are incapable of shame.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
70. I agree her heart was in the right place (unlike Snowden)
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 06:02 PM
Jun 2017

but she went about it all wrong... If she was going to throw her life and career and freedom away she should have done it for an irrefutable smoking gun instead of confirming what was already reported...

And if she *DID* send the Intercept an irrefutable smoking gun, she sent it to the wrong fucking people and should have known better, since Glenn will happily sit on any files which make his Russian partners too uncomfortable...

orangecrush

(19,575 posts)
71. I think it's entirely possible
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 06:32 PM
Jun 2017

That Greenwald saw ratting her out as the best move for russia.

We are in agreement.


jmg257

(11,996 posts)
67. Seemingly bright person who screwed up their life...for a mediocre secret info
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jun 2017

about hacking. Too bad.

Appears the Russia hacking REALLY pissed her off.

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