Rep. Steve Scalise is now in critical condition after surgery

[bigtree]

Caroline O.‏ @RVAwonk 8m8 minutes ago

Jesus. @NBCNews just reported that Rep. Steve Scalise is now in critical condition.

[MFM008]

1. yeah I saw that

must have clipped an artery.

[apcalc]

2. Really Hope he comes out of this OK.

[Blue_true]

37. So do I. Actions like what the gunman did sucks.

Eventhough I disagree completely with what they stand for politically, the group of republicans were just people peacefully enjoying a morning athletic activity before going to work.

[Zoonart]

3. Ho no...

terrible news. Healing thoughts for him and his family. No one deserves this... no one.

[B2G]

6. You are trash. Nt

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Can you believe

that someone alerted on your post? (was just on a jury for it)

The trolls are really out and about the past couple days.

[B2G]

17. Nothing surprises me anymore

And thank you.

[BumRushDaShow]

18. Luckily that post was finally removed.

[apcalc]

41. They sure are, alerting lots.

[LittleBlue]

8. Disgusting

[Leghorn21]

10. Hmmm, you might want to figure out exactly what YOU'RE doing to America right now, eh?

[demmiblue]

11. Fuck off. n/t

[marybourg]

12. This is not acceptable.

He has an innocent family who are suffering even more than him.

[obamanut2012]

13. Not fooling a soul

[bigtree]

15. I agree with Speaker Pelosi

"It's an injury in the family."

We don't need to behave like the worst we see in politics. I hope for an end to suffering, everywhere.

[haele]

5. Well, critical after surgery is not that unusual.

Spouse went into the hospital "stable" during a nasty bout of kidney stones that required surgery and was critical for a day after the surgery because he had a bad reaction to one of the chemicals in the anesthesia.

He wasn't going to die, but he had to be in ICU hooked up to monitors with a drip for at least 12 hours after he woke before he could be released. In a lot of hospitals, when you're in ICU, you're considered critical.

Haele

[nolabear]

29. Someone interviewed on msnbc said he had a second surgery.

I haven't heard that elsewhere though. Hope he's okay.

[herding cats]

7. I heard they had to use a belt as a tourniquet.

Which means he must have been losing a lot of blood, and made me worry it had hit his femoral artery.

[hunter]

21. The use of tourniquets can lead to severe complications.

Yeah, that caught my attention too.

If direct pressure on the wound stops the bleeding, that's preferable.

The standard of care has drifted over the years as more scientific studies are conducted, especially on the battlefield.

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"Because the rate of complications is low and the rate of hemostasis is high, first aid providers may consider the use of a tourniquet when standard first aid hemorrhage control does not control severe external limb bleeding."

"Specifically designed tourniquets appear to be better than ones that are improvised, but tourniquets should only be used with proper training."

https://eccguidelines.heart.org/index.php/circulation/aha-red-cross-first-aid-guidelines/part-15-first-aid/

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Unfortunately, quite a bit of first aid treatment is learned in war.

Unfortunately, watching war movies and police dramas is a bad way to learn first aid

[MichMary]

22. Okay, seriously dumb question . . .

He was shot in the hip, so where did they put the tourniquet? It's usually placed ABOVE the wound to stop or decrease blood flow in that area, but putting it BELOW the wound would seem kind of useless.

[MiniMe]

23. I wondered that too

Where do you put the tourniquet?

[YCHDT]

24. Good question

[OKNancy]

26. Because the news people, mostly MSNBC were not correct

The tourniquet was used by Brooks on someone else who was shot in the leg.
MSNBC reported all day long an incorrect recounting of what Brooks said

[MichMary]

39. Thank you for the correction!

[Docreed2003]

27. You can't.

It's why in Afghanistan, when we had high leg/pelvis blast injuries, we had to frequently open the abdomen and control the vessels in the pelvis and leave the abdomen open afterwards so the injuries could be managed at a higher level of care facility.

[MichMary]

38. Thanks! I wonder what they actually did for him? n/t

[Docreed2003]

40. I couldn't say not knowing any details about the wound ather than "the hip"

Maybe they put pressure on the wound of shoved something into the wound to control bleeding, but that's my best guess

[LOL Lib]

9. At least he has health care

Unlike the poor and aged that repukes want to weed out.

[demmiblue]

14. And you, as well. n/t

[LOL Lib]

19. I'm sure several would enjoy weeding me out.

The price for being born female and opinionated.

[Lunabell]

20. The shooter had a history of violence.

I wonder if any republicans will change their toon on this.

[Demtexan]

25. I don't think so.

This is what happens every day to other people.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

30. But it actually happened to THEM. That makes it much more real. They can relate more to the

rest of us who live in fear we could get shot at by right-wingers who usuall DO have guns who may shoot at us for having a Hillary/Bernie sticker or a car that might be deemed a "liberal-type" car. I drive a Mini Cooper and I'm sure it is probably thought of as a car a Liberal would drive.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

28. Didn't he get hit in the hip? You wouldn't think that would be a "critical" injury.....

[Foamfollower]

31. The surgery can lead to additional complications.

Hence he could change from stable to critical.

[Sgent]

32. Eh hip is a major bone

They could be worried about an embolism, surgical complication, etc. Its not an automatic.

[TexasBushwhacker]

33. It depends on the path of the bullet

Depending on the angle, a shot in the hip could travel to the spine, sever major blood vessels or the bowel.

When Claire Wilson was shot by Charles Whitman, the UT Tower shooter, the bullet entered her hip, but fragmented in her body. One fragment killed her 8 month old fetus and rest tore though her body. She was hospitalized for 3 months.

[drray23]

34. there was no exit wound

this means the bullet may have been deflected by the hip bone and gone on to damage internal organs and arteries.

[GulfCoast66]

35. If the shooter was using hunting ammo

Rather than jacketed, a hip shot can cause massive damage easily leading to death.

I hope he makes a full recovery.

[hack89]

36. Think about all those major arteries carrying blood to the legs. nt