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[stopbush]

1. He put out a statement saying he feared it would

fuck up the Iran deal.

[orangecrush]

4. I backed Bernie on this webaite

And got behind Hilary after the primary.

I am bitterly disappointed by this.

[demmiblue]

38. You joined DU in December 2016.

Were you here under a different user name prior to that? If so, what was it?

Also, you misspelled web bait.

[QC]

43. !

[sarah FAILIN]

60. I think they meant website

I usually hit the s when I mean the a..

[orangecrush]

61. Yes I was

And like many others here, had to create a new account after the hack.

The rest I am not goiing to respond to.

I made my point.

[unblock]

2. he supports sanctions on russia. it was the iranian sanctions in the same bill he opposed.

[elleng]

33. Thanks for the explanation, unblock.

[David__77]

3. It's the right thing to do.

I do not support more sanctions against Iran.

[orangecrush]

6. Being in a group of 2

With Rand Paul is in no way a "right thing".

[Tiggeroshii]

9. Actually more sanctions on Iran is incredibly the wrong thing.

Rand Paul breathes air and wears a suit. Should Bernie not too breathe and wear a suit? This whole guilty by association mantra is beyond ridiculous.

[RussBLib]

62. strange bedfellows

I've agreed with Rand Paul a couple of times over the last 20 years.

[orangecrush]

63. A stopped clock...

Same here.

Once or twice, maybe.

[Demsrule86]

16. No it was not...this bill was bipartisan to stop Trump from selling out this country...I am

disgusted.

[nikibatts]

21. The Iranian sanctions can be changed...It's the message that is sent.

[Voltaire2]

32. How's that going to happen?

The Republican majority is going to suddenly decide to undo the Iranian sanctions?

[ProudLib72]

5. Guess he sides with Germany and Austria nt

[OnDoutside]

7. That's wierd and appalling

Weird in that I thought I had seen reports it was Rand and Mike Lee, not Sanders.

Appalling that Sanders would vote against this. How can you stack him being on the same side as Democrats when he does this, writes Op Eds attacking the Democratic Party and refuses to join the Democratic Party. It defies logic.

[WePurrsevere]

29. I saw the same thing that it was Mike Lee...

Seeing that it was Bernie surprised me a bit but I guess the source that we both saw that wrong. Now I wish I could remember where I saw that.

[emulatorloo]

35. Two different votes. 6/14 amendment. 6/15 final bill.

See my post below for a slightly better explanation.

6/14 amendment vote, nays were Paul and Lee
6/15 final bill, nays were Paul and Sanders

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029209813#post26

[WePurrsevere]

39. Ahh.. thank you. That clears it up. nt

[lapucelle]

47. Here are links to both vote tallies.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00144

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00147

[LeftInTX]

8. Sanders voted with the majority

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00144

CNN must have a typo

[jmg257]

11. 2 different votes. Nt

[LeftInTX]

12. Now I'm confused thanks

[jmg257]

15. A few threads here by MM... explained there-in.

[OnDoutside]

14. Can you explain please ?

[jmg257]

19. Previous threads where I read what was up...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029209817
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029209104

[emulatorloo]

26. 6/14 they voted on an amendment. 6/15 they voted on the final bill.

Here's the vote on the final bill:

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00147

Bernie and Rand Paul voted against the final bill. Bernie's explanation is in a post below:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029209813#post10

[OnDoutside]

30. Thanks.

[lapucelle]

46. Your link is to the vote on the amendment,

rather than to the vote on the bill itself.

Here's the link to the vote on the bill.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00147

[leftstreet]

10. OMG OMG OMG!

Sanders Statement on Iran and Russia Sanctions
Thursday, June 15, 2017

WASHINGTON, June 15 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement Thursday after he voted against a bill that would impose new sanctions on Iran and Russia:

"I am strongly supportive of the sanctions on Russia included in this bill. It is unacceptable for Russia to interfere in our elections here in the United States, or anywhere around the world. There must be consequences for such actions. I also have deep concerns about the policies and activities of the Iranian government, especially their support for the brutal Assad regime in Syria. I have voted for sanctions on Iran in the past, and I believe sanctions were an important tool for bringing Iran to the negotiating table. But I believe that these new sanctions could endanger the very important nuclear agreement that was signed between the United States, its partners and Iran in 2015. That is not a risk worth taking, particularly at a time of heightened tension between Iran and Saudi Arabia and its allies. I think the United States must play a more even-handed role in the Middle East, and find ways to address not only Iran's activities, but also Saudi Arabia's decades-long support for radical extremism."

[boston bean]

25. If he doesn't vote for it, what the hell good is it to say you support it, but won't vote for it.

I call bull on the Iran nuclear reasoning....

Here again, foregoing the best we can get for NOTHING.

Glad he was in the very very minority.

[leftstreet]

27. No ambitious pol can have a 'no' vote on that bill

I'm guessing that's why it was framed that way

[Nevernose]

28. So why do you suppose he voted no?

If you dont take him at his (seemingly reasonable) word, what do you think his reasoning was? Is he in the pocket of the Ayatollah?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. Just imagine the worst possible motivation you could imagine in your wildest dreams.

There is your answer#deadenderlogic

[jmg257]

13. Yep - and he gave cause!!! Go figure he had s reason.

[orangecrush]

18. And apparently

Every single Senator except Rand Paul disagrees with those reasons.

[jmg257]

20. Clearly!

[leftstreet]

22. But those Senators want to dismantle Iran nuke agreement?

This bill was pure bullshit. Why on EARTH would Russian sanctions and Iranian sanctions be on the SAME BILL? This was designed to trap ambitious politicians later with their votes

[Phoenix61]

37. Sadly, they do this all the time

they add riders few want to bills that many want.

[X_Digger]

23. OMG, then he must be wrong, because the majority is always right!

[Thrill]

24. Is there a method to this or is he just becoming a troll like Kuncinch?

[emulatorloo]

31. He put out a statement

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029209813#post10

[JTFrog]

40. I wish I could answer that, but don't dare. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

64. Well, we're waiting.....

Lol.

[Voltaire2]

34. Thank you Senator Sanders for not being a sheep.

[kacekwl]

42. Give it up please.

Election is over.

[boston bean]

44. Right and Trump is president and his entire campaign is under investigation for collusion with Russi

and RUSSIA hacked our election... so???

[kacekwl]

49. So , Berine stated his SUPPORT for sanctions on Russia.

but disagreed sanctions for Iran. Point?

[boston bean]

50. He voted against sanctions on russia. Plain and simple. And he did that today.

Not in the primary.

Somwhat you were you talking about?

[Trial_By_Fire]

51. He voted YES for the Russia sanctions amendment but voted NO on the entire bill. Because...

...Iran nuclear agreement.

[boston bean]

52. Right he voted NO for sanctions on Russia.

[Trial_By_Fire]

55. s.722: "Countering Iran's Destabilizing Activities Act of 2017"

That is what he vote NO on... But, don't let facts get in the way of the truth...

[boston bean]

56. I am stating facts.

[AlexSFCA]

45. Sanders should be ashamed of himself

I never liked his populism but this vote was unforgivable mistake. I lost all respect I ever had for him. All talk, no action - he is a hardcore ideologue and idealist - toxic for the democratic party.

[Foamfollower]

48. I'll tuck that information away under "suspicious behavior" for right now.

[Ligyron]

53. He actually has a point about the Iranian sanctions.

I acually thought the GOPers would tack on an amendment to defund Planned Parenthood.

Still, this has to reconcil with the House, no? Maybe he'll do the right thing then...

[mr_lebowski]

54. People, it's not like Bernie was the 50th f***ing vote here ... think he didn't know ...

That this bill was going to pass no matter which way he voted?

99-1 vs 98-2 means NOTHING, so let the old man make his 'principled stand', not like it matters ...

[Snackshack]

57. He did the right thing.

Had this just been a Russian bill he would have voted for it.

There was no reason for Iran to be a part of this legislation. Every dem should have voted against it as well.

[rgbecker]

58. This.

He knew it would pass. May as well make a point and get people talking.....look Reply 58 on DU already!

[SharonClark]

59. I'm no fan of Sanders but i hate attacks on a person based on one or two votes on a single issue

He explained himself. Quit OMGing every bit of minutia.

[jalan48]

65. OMG!!

[SaschaHM]

67. Must be nice...

Had this been any other Democratic Senator, the "reasoning" he gave wouldn't have been enough. Remember when Booker called for an investigation into Kushner and he was accused by many around here of being bought by Kushner? Don't get me started on the group of Democratic Senators that voted for one amendment regarding drug prices, and not the other. There were graphics detailing how they were bought and paid for.

[orangecrush]

69. O.K. this was already covered by Mineral Man

Unbeknownst to me at the time of posting, just followed the links upthread.

The matter was settled.

I guess this vote is an outlier, as Senator Sanders has been a fighter for progressive causes like forever.

Locking.