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kpete

(72,018 posts)
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:45 PM Jul 2012

Right Particle-Wrong God-Nobel Winner’s Existence Erased In School Bks Due To His Religious Beliefs

Right Particle, Wrong God: Pakistani Nobel Winner’s Existence Erased In School Books Due To His Religious Beliefs

Published 1, July 9, 2012 Academics , Bizarre , International , Politics , Religion , Society 14 Comments
You would think that the claimed discovery of the Higgs boson — or God’s Particle — would lead to a new round of celebration in Pakistan over its own Nobel laureate, Adbus Salam. After all, Salam helped develop the theoretical framework that led to the apparent discovery of the subatomic particle. However, before laying the ground work for discovering the God Particle, Salam picked the wrong God in the view of many Pakistanis. Salam, who died in 1996, has been stricken from school textbooks and public acknowledgments because he was a member of the Ahmadi sect that is viewed by Muslims as heretical.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/08/higgs-boson-pakistan-scientist

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Right Particle-Wrong God-Nobel Winner’s Existence Erased In School Bks Due To His Religious Beliefs (Original Post) kpete Jul 2012 OP
Insanity. GodlessBiker Jul 2012 #1
I guess he shoulda called it "the Allah Particle."..... lastlib Jul 2012 #2
Electroweak theory. longship Jul 2012 #3
I studied under Dr. Weinberg. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #7
I read part of that paper; it was abridged. longship Jul 2012 #9
You studied under Weinberg? YOU LUCKY BASTARD! Odin2005 Jul 2012 #10
It was actually another Nobel Prize winner who pushed me to study Physics.. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #12
I thought this was going to be about Texas, Alabama or some other Rep state. SoutherDem Jul 2012 #4
If the Higgs Boson/god particle (actually, it would be more correct to say "the Higgs Field") man4allcats Jul 2012 #5
P.S. - If I really understood any of this, man4allcats Jul 2012 #6
Just really sad. The guy's a genius and because of religious crazy shit, his country will disown him riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #8
That is sad and pathetic. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #11

lastlib

(23,287 posts)
2. I guess he shoulda called it "the Allah Particle.".....
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jul 2012

Ridiculous what people do in the name of a deity.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. Electroweak theory.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:03 PM
Jul 2012

He shared the 1979 Nobel with Steven Weinberg and Sheldon Glashow. I don't know if his Nobel paper included the Higgs. (I suspect not.) However, Weinberg was an early advocate of the Higgs mechanism.

Thanks for the post.


BTW, I still wish people would stop labeling the Higgs with God Particle. It is certainly repugnant to anybody who has any knowledge requisite to understanding exactly what the fuck the thing is.

Unfortunately, these journalists like the tag because it brings a controversial religion vs. science confluence into the discussion -- anything to obfuscate the importance of a story whose importance the journalist cannot comprehend.

Physicists hate this.

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
7. I studied under Dr. Weinberg.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:30 PM
Jul 2012

His Nobel winning paper unified the electromagnetic and the weak nuclear forces (=Electroweak). He predicted the electrically neutral vector boson Z0 and the weak nuclear force reactions arising from its exchange, known as neutral current reactions.

Electroweak theory also accounted for the heavy positively and negatively charged bosons W+ and W-, which are required for the mediation of all observed weak interactions, known as charged current reactions. These intermediate vector bosons were discovered by CERN in 1983.

The force-carrying particles (Z0, W+ and W-) of Weinberg's unified theory are massive spin-1 bosons, and therefore a spin-0 (also electrically-neutral and color-neutral) boson is required to complete the theory. This spin-0 boson is the Higgs boson. So, yes, it was in there.

longship

(40,416 posts)
9. I read part of that paper; it was abridged.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:37 PM
Jul 2012

But, it was years ago. I didn't remember whether the Higgs was there.

Studied under Weinberg? I am impressed.


I have a lowly BS in physics, with which I did very well, thanks to very good grades. Why I didn't go further is a question to which I have kicked myself in the arse for decades.

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
12. It was actually another Nobel Prize winner who pushed me to study Physics..
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:20 PM
Jul 2012

My family friend, the amazing teacher Polykarp Kusch! I miss him.

man4allcats

(4,026 posts)
5. If the Higgs Boson/god particle (actually, it would be more correct to say "the Higgs Field")
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:14 PM
Jul 2012

really did impart mass where none previously existed, is it then likely that the universe

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will contract via gravity to such a point that a black hole thus formed will become so massive that a new Big Bang will start the process all over again, or is it more likely that history does not repeat itself and all of this will simply end in an ever expanding cold death? All bets are off, but I'm inclined to think it will end in cold death - eons and eons from now when we've all once again been reduced to subatomic particles. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust...

man4allcats

(4,026 posts)
6. P.S. - If I really understood any of this,
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:58 PM
Jul 2012

I'd be a physicist posting in a professional journal, and I'm not. I'm just a thoughtful person trying to understand. Let me know what you think.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
8. Just really sad. The guy's a genius and because of religious crazy shit, his country will disown him
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:34 PM
Jul 2012

Disgusting and sad.

Well, their loss. If there's a heaven, Adbus Salam is there and hopefully giving the finger to his fellow countrymen.

K&R for more exposure of religious craziness....

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
11. That is sad and pathetic.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:43 PM
Jul 2012

Salam was one of the greatest physicists of the 20th Century, co-creator of the Electro-Weak Theory that demonstrated that Electromagnetism and the Weak Nuclear Force are different aspects of the same force.

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