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kentuck

(111,107 posts)
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:33 AM Jun 2017

There is no reason for Mueller to finish his investigation before the next mid-term election.

Because if the Republicans maintain control of the House, he would turn his evidence over to them to weigh whether or not there is enough evidence to impeach Donald Trump. The odds are that they would do nothing.

But, if he turns his evidence over to a newly-elected Demcratic majority in the House of Representatives, then they could vote to impeach the tyrant and wannabe dictator. There is little use for him to finish his investigation before the mid-term elections of 2018.

There is much at stake.

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There is no reason for Mueller to finish his investigation before the next mid-term election. (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2017 OP
If he confirms DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #1
I disagree. Kentonio Jun 2017 #2
Remember when we were kids : Jinx. Look at my post. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #4
Haha, great minds and all that! Kentonio Jun 2017 #6
I can't believe Trump is "clean". DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #8
Me either. Kentonio Jun 2017 #22
There is also no reason for a professional prosecutor to take political considerations into account jberryhill Jun 2017 #3
This Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #5
Do you think Mueller will get the goods on Trump and his cabal? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #7
I have no idea what he'll come up with or when jberryhill Jun 2017 #9
I am your ersatz ancestry.com DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #12
I find it hard to believe that there isn't a lot of dirt on Trump that will be dug up, Doodley Jun 2017 #14
He knowingly borrowed dirty money. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #18
Referring to the bank in Crete that Russian oligarchs used to shelter money? Kolesar Jun 2017 #20
But why would he do all his work to see it thrown into a trash can? kentuck Jun 2017 #11
Because the Dems could use ut when they win the House. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #13
There are always "reasons" for not behaving professionally jberryhill Jun 2017 #24
He will likely be done this Fall. The investigation FBI began last July 4139 Jun 2017 #10
there's no "double jeopardy" protection when it comes to impeachment. unblock Jun 2017 #15
But wouldn't that be politically treacherous? kentuck Jun 2017 #16
If the republican prosecutors made an earnest effort, yes unblock Jun 2017 #23
Releasing before can influence the outcome itself. Amimnoch Jun 2017 #17
See: James Comey. Iggo Jun 2017 #25
Mueller's job goes beyond presenting info to house/senate... MedusaX Jun 2017 #19
True. kentuck Jun 2017 #21
I'm OK with the investigation going past 2018 election. Each day piles onto the stack NCjack Jun 2017 #26
It should proceed as naturally and unobstructed as possible, regardless of when it concludes. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #27

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
1. If he confirms
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:39 AM
Jun 2017

If Mueller confirms Trump and his son in law knowingly used dirty money to finance their properties, colluded with the Russians, and obstructed justice he can turn over his report to Congress whenever he wants. If the GOP refuses to begin impeachment proceedings we presumably win the House and do.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
2. I disagree.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:39 AM
Jun 2017

If he turns the evidence over to the Republican majority and they don't act, it makes them complicit in the crimes. As with Trump/Nixon, the coverup becomes as big as the initial offence, if not bigger. It could lead to an absolute wipeout for them in the mid-terms if they don't act on unequivical evidence.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
22. Me either.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:11 AM
Jun 2017

His own sons talked about the huge amounts of money they were getting from Russia, yet suddenly we're supposed to believe him that he has no links to Russia? Absolute nonsense.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. There is also no reason for a professional prosecutor to take political considerations into account
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:40 AM
Jun 2017

Any such calculation by Mueller would be entirely inappropriate.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. Do you think Mueller will get the goods on Trump and his cabal?
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:42 AM
Jun 2017

BTW, did you know there is a gentleman in the CA legislature with your last name ? The unfortunate man is a Republican.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. I have no idea what he'll come up with or when
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:45 AM
Jun 2017

My last name was common in the Creek tribe, many of whom were moved to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears. Later descendants were among the "Okies" who moved to California during the depression.

But, back to the OP, I am sometimes surprised by the implicit assumption that everyone acts in accordance with a political agenda, rather than according to their professional obligations.

Doodley

(9,119 posts)
14. I find it hard to believe that there isn't a lot of dirt on Trump that will be dug up,
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:49 AM
Jun 2017

even if evidence of collusion can't be proven. He is trying to obstruct justice for a reason.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
20. Referring to the bank in Crete that Russian oligarchs used to shelter money?
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:03 AM
Jun 2017

One of the oligarchs used that bank as a shelter against collection in a divorce settlement. These stories are so big, I cannot keep track. I need a hyper text linked training module to relearn it.

kentuck

(111,107 posts)
11. But why would he do all his work to see it thrown into a trash can?
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:46 AM
Jun 2017

And nothing done about it?

Granted, that might be the standard procedure for a professional prosecutor, but these are not normal times.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
24. There are always "reasons" for not behaving professionally
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jun 2017

Everyone has them. That is the point of professional obligations.

Failing to diligently do his job, and to "slow walk" anything on Mueller's part would be defrauding the government.

4139

(1,893 posts)
10. He will likely be done this Fall. The investigation FBI began last July
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:46 AM
Jun 2017

... it's not like he started from scratch a month ago. he's was
Appointed to takeover an ongoing investigation

unblock

(52,286 posts)
15. there's no "double jeopardy" protection when it comes to impeachment.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:50 AM
Jun 2017

if the republican congress fails to impeach, or if for some inexplicable reason they do impeach but the senate fails to remove, democrats can have another crack at it after the mid-terms.

kentuck

(111,107 posts)
16. But wouldn't that be politically treacherous?
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:52 AM
Jun 2017

and Democrats would be charged with continuing a "witch hunt"?

unblock

(52,286 posts)
23. If the republican prosecutors made an earnest effort, yes
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:31 AM
Jun 2017

But surely the republican prosecutors would sabotage the effort. If democrats get outraged and then introduce new evidence that the republicans had withheld, that would be fine.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
17. Releasing before can influence the outcome itself.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 08:53 AM
Jun 2017

Even if they do chose to do nothing, the damage to their reelection efforts will still be felt, and it can be revisited by a Democratic majority post-election. I don't believe there's anything that says prior submitted evidence can't be reviewed by an incoming legislation?

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
19. Mueller's job goes beyond presenting info to house/senate...
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:02 AM
Jun 2017

While he may need that long to thoroughly put together an airtight set of cases....
He has not brought on the equivalent of the DC Justice League just to look at impeachment info for congress.
His ultimate goal is to present evidence to GJ for criminal indictments.
This,too, is the goal of the NY AG... and since all of the money involved flowed/flows thru NY AG jurisdiction....
it may turn out to be NY state charges that remove some of the Congressional members who also happen to be the biggest obstacles to impeachment.

Impeachment is a goal but not the only goal...
And there are already sufficient grounds for impeachment....
it is only the compromised congress members standing in the way...
not a lack of sufficient cause for the action.

And Mueller's Team is not the only team that is involved...
between NY AG Team, Mueller's Team and other legal actions (emoluments cases& others) filed against POTUS... there are plenty of legal consequences awaiting the Kremlin Klan.

IMO, having to rely on the 2018 election outcome for securing impeachment would be the last resort rather than the 1st available opportunity.

kentuck

(111,107 posts)
21. True.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 09:07 AM
Jun 2017

Everybody but the President can be sent to jail for criminal acts. If a couple of people are sent to jail, even FOX would have to report it.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
26. I'm OK with the investigation going past 2018 election. Each day piles onto the stack
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 11:16 AM
Jun 2017

more felonies for the entire crime family. When they all are in prison, their only visitors will be their unpaid lawyers.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,189 posts)
27. It should proceed as naturally and unobstructed as possible, regardless of when it concludes.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jun 2017

To quote the 1965 movie about the painting of the Sistine Chapel:

Pope Julius II: When will you make an end?

Michelangelo: When I am finished!

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