David Yankovich gets strange treatment from Wisconsin Our Revolution. Why?

[Madam45for2923]

Take a minute to read this personal account of Our Revolution by Yankovich campaign manager Lauren Young:

"I think it is important to share what happened yesterday because my candidate is David Yankovich for Congress, Democrat running for Paul Ryan's seat.

We had 3 events scheduled, but on Friday night David turned to me (Like candidates freaking do!) and says "I want to go to Revolution", the founding convention for Our Wisconsin Revolution, the first state offshoot of Bernie's group.
His reasoning, "they are talking about unity and making things work, and 2018 will be massive if we can help the party come together. I feel like I need to go there and listen to them & let them know I am all about a big blue wave."
I cancelled our other events.

We drove 3 hours to the convention & as soon as we got there we were thrown out.
No, I am not kidding.

We went to the breakout groups for Congressional Districts. As soon as we introduced ourselves (to the 10 or 12 people there), David was asked who he voted for. Yes, he was given an immediate purity test and this group was hostile.
He voted Bernie in the primary then voted Hillary in the general. This did not please the group. Apparently the correct answer was to not have supported the Democratic nominee over Trump?

They told us they wanted us to leave, that they didn't want us to learn their secrets.
David attempted to calm their fears, "I'm not a spy, I'm hear to listen and for unity."
Again, we were told to leave.

I don't ever air my grievances in public but I am fed up with this. If this is their idea of unity, then this is a sign of massive Republican success in 2018 if the left can't get their act together.
This was an official Revolution event."

https://www.facebook.com/annklefstad/posts/10154466595431682

Link to tweet

Anti-Trump former intel analyst David Yankovich considers running against Paul Ryan in 2018 midterms
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/anti-trump-former-intel-analyst-david-yankovich-considers-running-against-paul-ryan-in-2018-midterms/2651/

[Madam45for2923]

1. Yankovich!

Link to tweet

[Madam45for2923]

3. In the meantime JPine peeps not impressed! LOL! They seem to say unity? schmunity!

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/paul-ryans-challenger-david-yankovich-dem/

These are our allies?

[shenmue]

76. Ay ay ay

I can't take this.

[boston bean]

2. 4 years of trump and 2 years of republican control just isn't enough time

to burn the whole fucking thing down and and bring on a revolution.

Doesn't Yankovich get that?

[Madam45for2923]

4. YES, even Tom Perez tried for unity! WTH is going on?

[brush]

31. Seems they don't actually want unity, only who they want in office whether he/she gets the Dem nod..

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or not.

This attitude doesn't bode well for 2018 or 2020.

The Sanders 2016 campaign continues to pay dividends .

[GusBob]

5. I have never heard of this group but the secret is now out!

Generic Hillary Haters!

I bet you they sit around in their lil' Circle Jerks fantasizing about Donny and bitching about Hillerys emails

Learn their secrets, what a bunch of chronic fucking worthless losers

[Hassin Bin Sober]

7. Exactly.

Which makes this dude's crying to twitter even more pathetic.

[NCTraveler]

11. Transparency is good.

Not sure why you would be against that.

BoBers are flat out ignorant.

[BainsBane]

15. Your priorities

are revealing.

[Cha]

58. No kidding!

[pirateshipdude]

48. I think it is pretty important to know this groups position on working with us. Eom

[Hassin Bin Sober]

62. Ok. Got it. 12 loonies in Wisconsin don't like us.

Stop the presses

[Madam45for2923]

69. We don't know if it's just 12 only. Maybe systemic? Trying to figure it out.

Maybe those 12 were out of line and O.Rev. will comment and let us know that that was not their best practices.

Either way, it'd be good to know.

[Cha]

57. LOL@"crying to twitter".. Haha.. Because he

exposed that the Wisconsin "revolution" Threw him out because he VOTED FOR Hillary in the GE!!

You want that HID UNDER the RUG?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

78. Maybe they feel the same way about Hillary you did In 2008.

I doubt they said anything worse than some of the nasty things you said about Hillary.

I supported Hillary in 2008 and voted for her in the GE in 2016. I don't know what makes you think I want anything swept under the rug.

I just think it's stupid for a candidate to pick twitter fights over such a petty incident.

[Cha]

83. Poor you.. can't let that go. President Obama, Hillary,

and I have all moved on.

[stevenleser]

89. I see you still haven't figured out that using whataboutism is discrediting to yourself nt

[BainsBane]

16. You never heard of Our Revolution?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

6. So he meets a whole 12 people who dont like him and...

... he goes crying to twitter?

What's he going to do if an elderly lady glares at him on a bus? Write a NYT OPED?

Yeah, he'll go far in politics.

Nationally recognized voice indeed.

[Madam45for2923]

8. Yeah that is what you get from this! That 'bout it. Okee. hahaha!

Good one.

So you do not - I repeat- You do not- think this is good to know.

As you where.


Hassin Bin Sober
6. So he meets a whole 12 people who dont like him and...

... he goes crying to twitter?

What's he going to do if an elderly lady glares at him on a bus? Write a NYT OPED?

Yeah, he'll go far in politics.

Nationally recognized voice indeed.

[delisen]

10. and what about the "revolutionaries" scared about their secrets being stolen

Too funny. I guess we don't have to worry about an outbreak of democracy among the 12 disciples of whatever or whomever.

[NCTraveler]

12. They can't stand transparency. nt.

[BainsBane]

17. And I suspect you never met them

But that doesn't stop you from condemning anyone who dares speak public about his experiences there, even though that someone is running to replace Paul Ryan. Those "whole 12 people" seem to be very important to you, which reveals their influence is far greater than that one group.
We might think they were atypical, if not for your contributions to this thread.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

34. Those 12 people are nothing to me.

They're probably whakadoodle cranks.

Hardly worthy of a twitter "incident" report. That says more about him.

[BainsBane]

47. Yet you made a beeline to this thread

To complain that the campaign manager was "whining" by criticizing them.

People tweet about breakfast on twitter. That Democrats are not welcome an Our Revolution meeting certainly meets the 140 character test.

[George II]

52. It sure tells me a lot about OR's priorities and objectives.

[murielm99]

61. I have met some of the Our Revolution people in Illinois.

They are also whakadoodles. They criticize many of our leaders, people like Corey Booker. They parrot the same talking points as the Wisconsin groupies. I know one of them who thinks he is going to be our Congressional candidate in the Illinois 16th District.

The legitimate grassroots groups are far more likely to work with existing groups, to mobilize and GOTV. I like those groups, people like the ones who are associated with Indivisible.

[LanternWaste]

37. I mere pretend concern is dramatic crying as well..

I mere pretend concern is dramatic crying as well... colorful inaccuracy better suits the narrative.

Indeed.

[Madam45for2923]

43. ????

[Cha]

59. Again..LOL@"crying to twitter"! He exposes

the "revolution" for kicking him out because he didn't vote for Hillary in the GE and you're upset.'

LOL

[delisen]

9. One David Yankovich has been a strong voice for Democrats,

don't know about the self-styled revolutionaries, secret meetings, and their fears of secrets being stolen.

[NCTraveler]

13. Our Revolution is a purity organization of BoB holdouts.

They are a "loyalty oath" organization operating under a similar mentality of how Trump operates. They demand loyalty and try to fire anyone who doesn't bow down before them.

"Its questionnaire to those seeking Minneapolis' highest office was: "Will you commit not to veto any city council action supported by Our Revolution Twin Cities?""

http://www.citypages.com/news/our-revolution-twin-cities-regrets-demand-for-mayoral-fealty-pledge/425372124

Like father like son.

[Madam45for2923]

14. I thought Our Revolution was started by Bernie Sanders. Is it connected with BoB?

NCTraveler
13. Our Revolution is a purity organization of BoB holdouts.

They are a "loyalty oath" organization operating under a similar mentality of how Trump operates. They demand loyalty and try to fire anyone who doesn't bow down before them.

"Its questionnaire to those seeking Minneapolis' highest office was: "Will you commit not to veto any city council action supported by Our Revolution Twin Cities?""

http://www.citypages.com/news/our-revolution-twin-cities-regrets-demand-for-mayoral-fealty-pledge/425372124

Like father like son.

[NCTraveler]

19. They are of the same exact mentality as the Bernie or Bust crowd....

And many of them were Bernie or Busters. Read the article. Many require loyalty oaths for their support.

I thought Our Revolution was started by Bernie Sanders. Is it connected with BoB?

[Tom Rinaldo]

41. Our Revolution is decentralized. Bernie or Bust is a state of mind and not a political organization.

JPR attracts a high percentage of BoBers to its board. Our Revolution is a considerably wider net. I think what happened at that particular meeting sucked.

[NCTraveler]

42. "Our Revolution is a considerably wider net."

I don't fully agree with that. It might be a slightly wider net. That's about all. And BoB isn't strictly a state of mind. Many of them hold Bannon Theory as the base of their ideology.

[BainsBane]

18. If that doesn't demonstrate their low priority on

policy and the future of the nation, as opposed to political networks more akin to a clique, nothing does.

[Madam45for2923]

23. I hope they rethink their decision & invite him back. Someone should ask OurR why this happened?

[BainsBane]

73. If Democrats aren't welcome

who is the call for unity directed toward?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

39. Cult not cliques

[Ellipsis]

20. He's not from Wisconsin..., how can he possibly represent the cconstituency

and to whine about it on facebook...


Fuck.

[BainsBane]

21. perhaps there should be a federal gag rule?

Prohibiting speech against any associated, even if only tangentially, with Bernie?

[Ellipsis]

24. Your'e making my Brain hurt.

Your point is valid.


Nevertheless, he doesn't understand the culture... and "he ain't never gonna."

It's not a about Paul Ryan or an activist from Ohio who is an Anti Paul Ryan activist. It's not about Bernie. It's about the people of Wisconsin.

[BainsBane]

25. It's not about Bernie

That's why they weren't interested in anyone who voted Democratic in the GE. Sure.

[Ellipsis]

27. I'm sorry .. I don't follow what your saying. Can you clariify that?

[boston bean]

38. I'll try. Let's see if this helps.

1) location of this happening was as an "our revolution" meeting.
2) our revolution was founded by bernie sanders and his supporters.

[Ellipsis]

40. Ahh Thank You ... not that plugged in

Our Mission

Our Revolution will reclaim democracy for the working people of our country by harnessing the transformative energy of the “political revolution.” Through supporting a new generation of progressive leaders, empowering millions to fight for progressive change and elevating the political consciousness, Our Revolution will transform American politics to make our political and economic systems once again responsive to the needs of working families.

Our Revolution has three intertwined goals: to revitalize American democracy, empower progressive leaders and elevate the political consciousness.



Hard to fire volunteers or structure them.... the local yokels being exclusive ,yup I wouldn't slam the "brand" nationally for that thou. .. I'm sure he'd get into a meeting now. *grin*

[BainsBane]

46. Yet no Democrats are welcome

at least in that branch. Yet you don't seem at all concerned about their behavior.

[Ellipsis]

63. You're welcome to say whatever you want about what you think I think ...

but you're not me nor could you possibly know my concern one way or another...

don't infer.

[BainsBane]

72. I can only judge based on what you do and don't express concern

about in this thread.

[Ellipsis]

79. judging... yes, from your high chair it seems.

From what you interpet....

[BainsBane]

84. I don't need a "high chair" to read

You choose to express views. The rest of us read them. That's the nature of the written word.

[stephensolomita]

54. Thanks For The Laugh

When is this revolution going to happen? In truth, the country has been going backward for fifty years, swinging more and more to the right. Do you expect to make up that ground in a few election cycles? And if your revolution is to take place in the distant future, I pose a simple question. What about the next election? Is the next election at all relevant?

[Ellipsis]

64. People need to reconnect with thier community, their home...

Every election is relevant. even when poisoned with apathy, distrust and polarization. Wisconsin has never been more polarized at least not in my travels and the locals I've come to know.

[BainsBane]

86. "Revolution" was a campaign slogan

Like "change" and "stronger together." Revolutions don't revolve around electing a politician.
One of the foremost theorists on social revolution, Theda Skocpol, had an op ed in the NY Times. She didn't seem terribly persuaded by the rhetoric of political revolution.

[BainsBane]

45. The group asked him how he had voted in the GE

And when he said for Clinton , they threw him out. So perhaps it's actually about ensuring Trump stays in office, since the fact he had voted for Bernie in the primary was not enough for them.
That's not a clarification of my original point but a rethinking of it.

[Cha]

60. They're Ridiculous and Doomed to Failure.. thankfully.

3rd party crap purity crap that were never pure EVER.

[BainsBane]

71. The problem is

The anti-Democrats are bringing the entire country down with them. Trump is exhibit #1.

[Cha]

74. YES. Fascistrumps is Exhibit #UNO..

Mahalo Bains

[Ellipsis]

66. I think you're assuming too much but okay.

I'd like to hear the other sides version.

[BainsBane]

70. I can give it to you

"NEOLIBERAL!"

[Madam45for2923]

81. Think was not calling you anything. Just giving you the others side version

[Ellipsis]

82. got it ...l thought that was weird

[pirateshipdude]

49. It seems like it is exclusively about Sanders. Eom

[xmas74]

51. I'm originally from Wisconsin.

That ain't it.

It's the group. I've heard other dealings. They want loyalty oaths and if you voted for Clinton they refuse to speak to you, no matter how similar your goals.

[Ellipsis]

67. I remember your posts. You were a square shooter.

People around here do like to pick their sides...

I pretty much just look at the pictures, meaning I don't get too sucked in to the controversy.

[xmas74]

68. I try not to get dragged too far into the fray.

And I don't like to play people against each other.

The group mentioned only had a few members in attendance but claims to have a large grassroots base to draw on. If they're demanding loyalty tests then it's discouraging. They should be focused on listening to the candidates ready to fight for the district.

It makes me worry that with such division we could lose 2018.

(Oh, and I usually stop by every couple of weeks now unless there's a big news story. Most of the old Lounge Lizards I interacted with years ago are long gone. Besides, I'm using my time to actually fight on a local level. )

[Madam45for2923]

22. Yep that must be the exact reason they did not want him there, LOL!

Woah no criticism of the group, eh? They did swimmingly, eh?

[Ellipsis]

26. Certainly not worth a national debate ...but you have at it .

...you're polarizing.

Ego. That's what Wisconsin needs an import of.

[Madam45for2923]

28. The guy sounds humble & unifying! Why disparage him with the word EGO!

Why should we ignore what happened? No way. When people/groups show you who they are believe them.

I see this as very good to know information.



Ellipsis
26. Certainly not worth a national debate ...but you have at it .
View profile
...your polarizing.

Ego. That's what Wisconsin needs an import of.

[Ellipsis]

30. You might want to read up on your Freud.

Take care.

[Hekate]

29. Yankovich is running in Paul Ryan's district to unseat Paul Ryan & that's of interest to ALL...

Or so one would think.

Ellipsis, this was not "whining" as you and Hassin Bin Sober seem to think.
I think it was very informative. If you don't like the information conveyed -- well, if the shoe fits, and all that.

[leftstreet]

32. I don't think it's going to matter

Not chiming in with an opinion. I don't have one, don't know anything about the race.

But this guy...

[Ellipsis]

36. Yes... I'd like to find out more about Randy Bryce

It certainly is a well produced piece... it begs the question of who is backing him. Campaign address is out of Racine, Wi.
...and he was on a Sunday news show already, yes? Not bad for such a short campaign so far.

But yeah... he could do it from what little I have seen. He has the roots.

[Ellipsis]

33. True.

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It was disconcerting... when I first heard on NPR of his running.

I guess I'm taking this post as an opportunity, after thought.. to conveniently regurgitate.

As to the greater good, perhaps. Certainly at the expense of the constituency. One simply can't establish familiarity in that short of time.

He'll be seen as an outsider regardless... I'm not saying that it's right, It's difficult for me to elaborate... and I don't know if the FIB/cheesehead metaphor would suffice.

[barbtries]

35. that

is sickening.

[MineralMan]

44. Uff da! Morons, all.

We definitely do not need this for 2018. We had our fill in 2016.

Still, Paul Ryan pretty much has a lock on that district, so it probably won't matter who runs against him.

[George II]

50. I was under the impression that Sanders' appearance in Wisconsin was as a sitting Senator...

....drumming up opposition to the republicans' healthcare bill that will be voted on later this week.

Was it that or a promotional appearance for his "Our Revolution"?

[pirateshipdude]

53. Wow. I hadn't factored that in. Thank-you. Eom

[stephensolomita]

55. Curious

It's curious to me that no posting on this thread has addressed the issue of electability. Me, I'd accept a cockroach ahead of Paul Ryan. Purity tests are for losers.

[awesomerwb1]

56. Very disappointing.

Still plenty of time to turn this around but a divided Dem party will never win majorities in a very very very long time. Disheartening.

[Gothmog]

65. The Our Revolution group is a very strange group

This group spoke to the county party and used the term "manifesto" seven times in two minutes

[BainsBane]

85. LOL

The bourgeois manifesto.

[Gothmog]

87. I actually counted the number of times that they used this phrase

I am working with a couple of groups in my county but not this group

[Madam45for2923]

88. Interesting! What were they trying to convey by using the word so much?

Very buzzy and "important" word.

[JHan]

80. Behold: The Fuckery of Busterism. SMH.

[Demsrule86]

90. Our revolution continues to primary sitting Democrats and are loyalists to Sen. Sanders

which is their prerogative. He is no longer a candidate, and it is very unlikely he will run in 20. I am a Democrat, and Democrats are the only path to progressive policy...Our revolution threatens Democrats in terms of retaking congress. I have blocked their email and not sent them one dime after an initial donation...as I believe they will cost the Democrats a congressional majority.

[Madam45for2923]

91. And now Nina Turner as new OurR head, saying she won't try so much for unity with DEMS

Hmmm. Good to know.

[Demsrule86]

93. Dump her...she is a vindictive person and now hates Dems.

[Madam45for2923]

92. Kicking!