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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 06:55 PM Jun 2017

********BREAKING******* SUSAN COLLINS IS A NO





Sen. Susan Collins ✔ @SenatorCollins
I want to work w/ my GOP & Dem colleagues to fix the flaws in ACA. CBO analysis shows Senate bill won't do it. I will vote no on mtp. 1/3
3:50 PM - 26 Jun 2017
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********BREAKING******* SUSAN COLLINS IS A NO (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 OP
Yeah Gothmog Jun 2017 #1
It would be poetic justice if three GOP female GOPers would say no. And then insist that they be nikibatts Jun 2017 #48
That WOULD be poetic justice. That's what the all-white, all-male, all-rich, all-older "team" gets Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #73
You said it! haha! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #79
Further said She wants to Improve ACA Instead of Passing the Senate Bill Stallion Jun 2017 #2
I'd like to see a Dem reach out to her and MontanaMama Jun 2017 #16
Woops. Edited. I read ACA and thought "AHCA (Ryan House bill"). You are right! Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #32
I respectfully disagree, the ACA needs to be fixed and improved hueymahl Jun 2017 #36
Yes, anything can be improved. I'm sorry I wasn't reading straight. Got my acronyms mixed. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #44
The ACA can MontanaMama Jun 2017 #38
Yeah, sorry, my bad. I was thinking of Ryan's House AHCA. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #42
All good. MontanaMama Jun 2017 #45
You do know the ACA is Obamacare, right? cwydro Jun 2017 #40
Apparently I don't! Oops. Read ACA, thought AHCA. Sorry! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #41
Yes, now is the time for Democrats to reach out to her. You are absolutely correct. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #46
I'm sure DownriverDem Jun 2017 #71
ACA is Obama care Old Terp Jun 2017 #34
whew! mnmoderatedem Jun 2017 #3
For the moment. JNelson6563 Jun 2017 #4
Yes, why didn't she try to work with the Dems in 2009 when the ACA was being crafted??? Rollo Jun 2017 #31
With you there... MontanaMama Jun 2017 #39
As I recall, she allowed a considerable time of speculation that she might break ranks... Rollo Jun 2017 #62
I heard up to 12 were leanign that way or that way Matthew28 Jun 2017 #5
Names I've seen in several places rpannier Jun 2017 #58
About time Republican WOMEN HockeyMom Jun 2017 #6
it still shocks me barbtries Jun 2017 #75
That's all the room in the lifeboats gratuitous Jun 2017 #7
It breaks my heart that I have to be so pleased Maeve Jun 2017 #8
thank goodness.... chillfactor Jun 2017 #9
Will McConnell still bring this bill to the floor if he knows there aren't the votes for it? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #10
Who knows? nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #12
Nope grantcart Jun 2017 #15
National Review says no Shrek Jun 2017 #22
That's what I noted below. There probably is a bunch of secret no votes who may come out... George II Jun 2017 #29
Fucking cowards..... pangaia Jun 2017 #56
That sounds about right. Could prove embarrassing if it comes up for a vote and fails. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #30
I hope he does, but it'll be good either way - total failure of "trumpcare". George II Jun 2017 #27
not likely defacto7 Jun 2017 #28
nope still_one Jun 2017 #63
Lee, Paul and Heller also no. nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #11
Are Paul and Lee firm? wryter2000 Jun 2017 #19
drafting was taken over by McConnell's staff nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #26
So he even screwed over his committee wryter2000 Jun 2017 #35
Stay firm, Susan! mcar Jun 2017 #13
she'll be getting a call from trump's personal body guard. spanone Jun 2017 #14
Fucking goon. MontanaMama Jun 2017 #17
Well, I certainly never believed that the hack was the work of overgrown frat brats rocktivity Jun 2017 #18
Key Words......."CBO analysis shows Senate bill won't do it" Stuart G Jun 2017 #20
Sure, for now. Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #21
I'm with her Libertarian_4_life Jun 2017 #23
... LudwigPastorius Jun 2017 #24
Good for her! Maybe this will get those on the fence to vote no and soundly defeat this bill. George II Jun 2017 #25
Putin's response .... flying-skeleton Jun 2017 #33
I hope this doesn't mean they already have 50 votes lined up ... dawg Jun 2017 #37
I remember how this maverick and all the other Repugnant mavericks voted yes for Gorsuch so cstanleytech Jun 2017 #43
I saw her on CNN a few hours ago. BigmanPigman Jun 2017 #47
c'mon Murkowski!! SHRED Jun 2017 #49
I'd be shocked if she voted for it. SusanaMontana41 Jun 2017 #67
See me after the vote. kacekwl Jun 2017 #50
Yes!! nt, but an R LAS14 Jun 2017 #51
They'll likely lose Murkowski now rpannier Jun 2017 #52
At last. NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #53
I have no faith in her integrity. guillaumeb Jun 2017 #54
This is great news FakeNoose Jun 2017 #55
She says . . . hatrack Jun 2017 #57
She will be running for governor up here in Maine soon... magicarpet Jun 2017 #59
So what's the status? Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2017 #60
For now. broadcaster90210 Jun 2017 #61
beat me to it bluecollar2 Jun 2017 #64
They will never nominate anyone like Susan Collins again Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #65
What would you give the odds on the bill now? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #70
Doubting Thomas here RestoreAmerica2020 Jun 2017 #66
Here we go again. retread Jun 2017 #68
Either the 2 moderates or the 2 RW-ers will be made to come around oberliner Jun 2017 #69
Yay! nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #72
I responded to her tweet annoucing her position. Fla Dem Jun 2017 #74
This could be the last straw for this bill Gothmog Jun 2017 #76
Just curious, am I missing something? Kleveland Jun 2017 #77
Do Republicans listen when a woman says No? underpants Jun 2017 #78
This actually worries me. Collins votes against the GOP when she knows they have the votes AllyCat Jun 2017 #80
 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
48. It would be poetic justice if three GOP female GOPers would say no. And then insist that they be
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:38 PM
Jun 2017

included at the table when changes are made.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
73. That WOULD be poetic justice. That's what the all-white, all-male, all-rich, all-older "team" gets
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 08:54 AM
Jun 2017

for excluding everyone besides the old-boy club in crafting this bill.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
16. I'd like to see a Dem reach out to her and
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:20 PM
Jun 2017

starts a common sense bipartisan group to work on the ACA and make it better. That'd be something that would grab attention.

hueymahl

(2,497 posts)
36. I respectfully disagree, the ACA needs to be fixed and improved
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:00 PM
Jun 2017

Yes, rhetorically, "making ACA better" is a republican label. But even Obama agrees that it can be, needs to be, improved. Democrats reclaiming "needs to be fixed" in a bipartisan manner is exactly what needs to happen (kind of like Trump appropriating "fake news" to attack the real media).

So yes, lets start a bipartisan discussion about expanding the ACA and fixing its problems.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
38. The ACA can
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:02 PM
Jun 2017

In fact be improved upon if it weren't constantly undermined and undercut by rethugs. The ACA didn't throw 23 million off insurance. Surely you mean the AHCA? For practical purposes, we should call it TrumpCare?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
46. Yes, now is the time for Democrats to reach out to her. You are absolutely correct.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:12 PM
Jun 2017

(now that I'm back on track with ACA vs AHCA)

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
62. As I recall, she allowed a considerable time of speculation that she might break ranks...
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 10:40 PM
Jun 2017

But she never did.

More's the pity.

I wonder if she regrets that now.

Matthew28

(1,798 posts)
5. I heard up to 12 were leanign that way or that way
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:00 PM
Jun 2017

I don't see how the evil Mitch McConnell pulls this evil thing off this week.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
58. Names I've seen in several places
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 09:36 PM
Jun 2017

Murkowski, Heller, Portman, Collins (of course), Paul, Cruz, Johnson
The problem he has is, the first four think it's too mean and the last three think it doesn't go far enough.
If he moves toward the first four, he loses the latter 3 and probably Lee along with one to three others
If he appeases the latter three by going full 'Logan's Run' or 'The Purge' he'll lose the first four and likely Gardner, Flake and Caputo

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
6. About time Republican WOMEN
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:04 PM
Jun 2017

are standing up to Republican MEN, after being shut out, and not just "Trophy" Senators.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. That's all the room in the lifeboats
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:08 PM
Jun 2017

Heller and Collins grabbed the only two available seats. No more defections allowed, so Vice President Pence can come striding down Pennsylvania Avenue and cast the deciding vote just before Independence Day, and President Trump can host another kegger on the White House lawn just before the long recess.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
8. It breaks my heart that I have to be so pleased
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:09 PM
Jun 2017

at one moderate Republican announcing that she does, indeed, have a heart.

Shrek

(3,981 posts)
22. National Review says no
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:26 PM
Jun 2017
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/448972/theres-no-such-thing-just-short-gop-health-care-bill

"This feels like one of those dynamics where if there are three hard Republican “no’s” on the bill (which is quite plausible), another dozen or so senators will oppose it, too. So, it’s either 50 votes for it, or 35."

George II

(67,782 posts)
29. That's what I noted below. There probably is a bunch of secret no votes who may come out...
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:40 PM
Jun 2017

....if they're sure they won't be the one vote that defeats it.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
18. Well, I certainly never believed that the hack was the work of overgrown frat brats
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:23 PM
Jun 2017

living their mothers' basements...If the Ruskies didn't do it, the aspiring James O'Keefes did.


rocktivty

Stuart G

(38,434 posts)
20. Key Words......."CBO analysis shows Senate bill won't do it"
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:24 PM
Jun 2017

2 more...and .the bill
is dirt on the floor..!!!!

flying-skeleton

(697 posts)
33. Putin's response ....
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 07:51 PM
Jun 2017

HAH .... We'll see about that. Don't worry Donald Baby ......
D-I-A-L-I-N-G ....... Ring Ring ......
Hello ...... Sergei ..... I have a job for you !!

dawg

(10,624 posts)
37. I hope this doesn't mean they already have 50 votes lined up ...
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:00 PM
Jun 2017

so they gave her the go-ahead to vote no.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
43. I remember how this maverick and all the other Repugnant mavericks voted yes for Gorsuch so
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:08 PM
Jun 2017

to Senator Collins and all the rest of the so called Repugnant mavericks I say "Fuck off".

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
47. I saw her on CNN a few hours ago.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:31 PM
Jun 2017

The entire time I said, out loud to my dog Spike, "I'll believe it when I see it". The House said the same thing, everyone sat back and breathed a sigh of relief then WHAM-O! In a heartbeat they passed an even more cruel version to appease the Freedom Caucus. I don't trust a Repub as far as I can throw one. I hope I am wrong. I will gladly pay the $10 that I bet last week.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
52. They'll likely lose Murkowski now
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 09:17 PM
Jun 2017

She has nothing to lose by voting no
He (trumpolini) cannot stay on message
There's nothing to be lost by voting against it because his position will switch like paper in a strong breeze
According to most things I've read, Collins wants to be Governor of Maine
Murkowski is pretty much unbeatable in Alaska
Heller jumps into the lifeboat
Johnson, Cruz and Paul stand on deck of the Trumptanic screaming, "the problem isn't the hole in the ship, it's that there are too many lifeboats!"
Portman debates whether to jump ship or go down with it because he's got 6 years to decide
All the while Capt Trumpqueed is screaming, "We need more water! No we need to fix the hole! The ship is going down! Everything is fine! Jump ship! Stay the course! It's all fake news about the damage to the ship. But, head for the lifeboats!"

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
53. At last.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 09:19 PM
Jun 2017

Took her long enough, but I'm glad she's on board. This horrible bill should be a non-starter for anyone except the most extreme in the Senate.

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
59. She will be running for governor up here in Maine soon...
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 09:50 PM
Jun 2017

..... to replace Paul Lepage.

She wants to come across as fair, compassionate, and reasonable ~ rather than look like a fire breathing selfish pigheaded money grubbing Re-thug as she would normally vote lock step with her party in Washington DC.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
65. They will never nominate anyone like Susan Collins again
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 02:36 AM
Jun 2017

In any state. That's what I take from this, after sampling a couple of political forums attached to sports sites. The SAMs (Simplistic Angry Males) are going nuts over Collins' tweet. They'll prefer to swing with a radical righty everywhere.

It's awesome she referenced the CBO directly, along with working on the Affordable Care Act.

***

Obamacare is a tremendous benefit but I wish something could have been done regarding small business. Maybe nothing was viable. As soon as small business owners were bitching about the bill a few years ago I knew we'd lose even more white males. I know those guys from my Las Vegas years. Seemingly every young and middle aged white guy believes he'll be a small business owner some day. Even if he's a tap out gambler with no prospect of anything else. It's like picking the silver plan instead of gold or bronze. Those guys don't dream of owning a huge company since it doesn't seem realistic but they don't want to believe they'll always be stuck doing nothing or working for low wages for someone else. So small business is the ticket, the vague solution.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
66. Doubting Thomas here
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 04:29 AM
Jun 2017

I won't belI've till I see it, my bet is she"'ll hold out until they promise her something in exchange, not sure I don't know what, perhap an exclusive VIP membership trumps famous marlargo, throw in her retirement and she can use any two clubs anytime, . Note: they'll all line up to vote yes to repeal because trumpf ordered it, so it will be done.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
69. Either the 2 moderates or the 2 RW-ers will be made to come around
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 08:10 AM
Jun 2017

Most likely this week enough will go in the bill to appease either the 2 moderate holdouts or the 2 right wing holdouts and this thing will pass the Senate.

Fla Dem

(23,690 posts)
74. I responded to her tweet annoucing her position.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 09:08 AM
Jun 2017

I let her know I was a Democrat, thanked her for her position and agreed with her the best course of action is to improve the ACA (ObamaCares).

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
77. Just curious, am I missing something?
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 12:35 PM
Jun 2017

I think that working to improve the existing ACA makes total sense, (hence it seemingly impossible).

I think that a GOP congress critter making such an open minded statement regarding said improvement is basically a good thing.

I don't seem to have any recollection of the Democrats making loud and obvious statements or gestures about the possibility or concept of working to improve the ACA with the Republican critters.

Has there been any statements by the Democrats regarding this possibility that I have missed?

As much as I detest the GOP as it is, a bi-partisan effort that would be actually good for the citizens of the US would be something that should be welcomed by all.

Fix, don't replace would be a nice slogan!


AllyCat

(16,189 posts)
80. This actually worries me. Collins votes against the GOP when she knows they have the votes
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 02:52 PM
Jun 2017

without her. That way, she can look like she is appeasing her purple base, but still let the GOP have their way with the average American.

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