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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,274 posts)
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 08:49 PM Jun 2017

Zillow backs off threat to sue McMansion Hell after compromise

Zillow has backed off its threat to sue the tiny but popular McMansion Hell blog, after a few days of backlash from the public against the Seattle real-estate giant and a compromise between the two websites.

Zillow had sent the blog’s founder, 23-year-old master’s student Kate Wagner, a cease-and-desist letter that Wagner posted online Monday. It said her McMansionHell.com site — which uses Zillow photos to make fun of ugly-looking houses — was in violation of Zillow’s terms of service and warned her that she may be violating various state and federal laws.

Since then, commenters online have come in droves to the blogger’s defense, calling it an overreach by Zillow, and someone plastered “MCMANSION HELL FOREVER” posters all over the outside of Zillow’s downtown Seattle headquarters. Wagner received legal advice from several attorneys and retained the Electronic Frontier Foundation for representation, pro bono.

On Thursday, the Electronic Frontier Foundation sent Zillow a letter urging it to back off, saying Wagner had free-speech rights to post her memes using Zillow photos and was protected under the fair-use legal doctrine. The firm threatened to countersue Zillow.

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/zillow-backs-off-threat-to-sue-mcmansion-hell-after-compromise/

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Zillow backs off threat to sue McMansion Hell after compromise (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2017 OP
Zillow doesn't own the pictures. The realtors or the sellers do. politicat Jun 2017 #1
But, then, could the realtors/sellers sue...? regnaD kciN Jun 2017 #2
They could try, but fair use doctrine means that if the document is altered politicat Jun 2017 #4
Maybe you haven't checked out her blog. I do. rickford66 Jun 2017 #8
That site is a riot underpants Jun 2017 #3
I am so happy about this outcome. JNelson6563 Jun 2017 #5
It sure did. I'd never heard of the site before this. kcr Jun 2017 #9
The blog is hilarious! So glad she "won"! Happyhippychick Jun 2017 #6
this just let me know of its existence. must go look. pansypoo53219 Jun 2017 #7
funny, i do sorta similar. but i just post pretty local or bitch about bad 'up grades'. pansypoo53219 Jun 2017 #10

politicat

(9,808 posts)
1. Zillow doesn't own the pictures. The realtors or the sellers do.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 08:51 PM
Jun 2017

That's what's so utterly bonkers about this. Zillow has no moral claim and no authority as agent for the copyright owners.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
2. But, then, could the realtors/sellers sue...?
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 08:56 PM
Jun 2017

I doubt they'd be happy about their property being held up to national ridicule.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
4. They could try, but fair use doctrine means that if the document is altered
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 09:04 PM
Jun 2017

For the purposes of parody or satire, the case is thrown out. Fair use case law is extensive. The artist is only using one of a full picture set, not the whole set; she's not disclosing addresses or other identifying information (and since McMansions tend to be built on semi-uniform plans, identifying one architectural atrocity from another can be difficult) and she's not using interior shots that show the seller's possessions. Nor is she copying the listing as a whole.

In fact, suing a satirist tends to result in the Streisand Effect, and most realtors will discourage their clients from doing so on that line.

rickford66

(5,528 posts)
8. Maybe you haven't checked out her blog. I do.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 10:59 PM
Jun 2017

She uses several pictures for each listing, including interior shots and many show sellers possessions. Great site. Very entertaining if you appreciate decent architecture.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
5. I am so happy about this outcome.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 09:21 PM
Jun 2017

I think this young grad student of McMansionHell fame is great! Smart, witty, love her blog. I am a monthly supporter of hers. This is only going to win her more fans. Love it!

kcr

(15,320 posts)
9. It sure did. I'd never heard of the site before this.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 11:03 PM
Jun 2017

I lost a good chunk of time after reading about the lawsuit. It's hilarious and educational.

pansypoo53219

(21,004 posts)
10. funny, i do sorta similar. but i just post pretty local or bitch about bad 'up grades'.
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 11:16 PM
Jun 2017

zillo shows less pics then redfin?.

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