"We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded...

[yallerdawg]

these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election." — Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, October 19th, 2016 in the third 2016 presidential debate

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/

October 07, 2016

Joint Statement from the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations."



After deep, thorough and exhaustive search of 1.3 seconds, found 17 Intelligence Community agencies!

[RainCaster]

1. All that intelligence, and 45 prefers Fux and Friends

He is an embarrassment to our nation.

[oberliner]

2. Corrections: June 29, 2017

A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump’s deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year’s presidential election. The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/pageoneplus/corrections-june-29-2017.html

[yallerdawg]

3. From the "Politifact" link:

Update, June 6, 2017: Clapper's May testimony was about a newer report, not October assessment

The now former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper made a comment when speaking before Congress May 8, 2017, that some readers interpreted as going against our findings in this article.

Here’s why we disagree with that interpretation.

We wrote this article Oct. 19, 2016, responding to an Oct. 7, 2016, joint statement from Clapper’s former office, which oversees the entire intelligence community, and Homeland Security.

Clapper’s May 2017 congressional testimony, on the other hand, was about the much more comprehensive January 2017 report produced by the CIA, FBI and NSA. The process of putting that report together didn’t start until months after we published this article, in December 2016, at which point the intelligence community decided to restrict the investigation to those three agencies.

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We stand by our rating.

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[oberliner]

4. They are wrong

No one ever said 17 agencies were involved in the first place.

The logic they use to jump to that conclusion in the first place is specious at best.

"As we noted in the article, the 17 separate agencies did not independently come to this conclusion, but as the head of the intelligence community, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the group."

Weird that they are doubling down on this when they are clearly wrong.

The NY Times issues a correction, as has the AFP and numerous other trustworthy news agencies.

[yallerdawg]

5. The DNI speaks for the IC! That is its function!

We don’t know how many separate investigations into the attacks they were. But the Director of National Intelligence, which speaks for the country’s 17 federal intelligence agencies, released a joint statement saying the intelligence community at large is confident that Russia is behind recent hacks into political organizations’ emails. The statement sourced the attacks to the highest levels of the Russian government and said they are designed to interfere with the current election.

We rate Clinton’s statement True.

We unify our intelligence community toward a stronger, safer nation

[oberliner]

6. That does not mean all 17 agencies were involved

Which Politifact itself even seems to be saying.

"The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies" is what the NY Times is saying and it matches statements from Clapper as well. At no time did Clapper specifically say that 17 agencies were involved.

There is no reason to believe any agencies besides the four listed actually had anything to do with the assessment.

[yallerdawg]

8. Clapper's testimony.

Clapper’s May 2017 congressional testimony, on the other hand, was about the much more comprehensive January 2017 report produced by the CIA, FBI and NSA. The process of putting that report together didn’t start until months after we published this article, in December 2016, at which point the intelligence community decided to restrict the investigation to those three agencies.

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The October statement, on the other hand, said "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident" in its assessment. As we noted in the article, the 17 separate agencies did not independently come to this conclusion, but as the head of the intelligence community, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the group.


You can argue Trump was right - or Hillary was wrong - whatever point you are trying to make - but the FACTS remain, and that is what WE are about!

[oberliner]

10. I'm arguing that every news agency from the NY Times to the AP has made the correction

And so Politifact should also make the correction.

Their explanation is contradictory.

In fact, in the portion you cited, they write: "the 17 separate agencies did not independently come to this conclusion".

So the fact is that 17 separate agencies did not independently come to this conclusion.

It's a bad look for them to have it wrong (by still claiming that 17 separate agencies came to the conclusion that they also say they did not independently come to).

[yallerdawg]

11. I am referencing what Hillary said in October.

What Clapper put out in a memo in October.

What Clapper testified about months later in regards to Obama's request AFTER the election focusing on just a few of the agencies.

You are conflating one thing with another - any intelligence agency could have disagreed with the conclusions, they all are involved DAILY!

None did - that is signing off in my book!

[oberliner]

13. OK

Feels like just a question of semantics at this point. Anyway, it's not really that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. I'm happy to let it drop.

[m-lekktor]

7. Yep, this was big news everywhere except DU when it came out. nt

[yallerdawg]

12. Except it wasn't big news.

It was entirely different subject AFTER the election.

[Gothmog]

14. I saw a sad thread on JPR disputing the number 17

The idiots on JPR claimed that there are not 17 intelligence agencies and that this claim is false. There are a ton of pro Russian and Pro Putin idiots on JPR

[Achilleaze]

15. k and r