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Jaws Drop As Trump Applauds His Sons Russia Meeting, Says Many People Would Have Taken It
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/12/jaws-drop-trump-applauds-sons-russia-meeting-many-people.html
By Sean Colarossi on Wed, Jul 12th, 2017 at 8:00 pm
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In the interview, Trump said he did not fault his son for holding the meeting. I think many people would have held that meeting, the president said.
Lets be very clear about what the President of the United States just condoned.
What Trump Jr. did was take a meeting with a Russian lawyer after being informed that he would be given damaging info about Hillary Clinton, which was supplied by the Russian government.
As Slate noted yesterday, citing Fordham University School of Laws Jed Shugerman, the presidents son likely violated 52 U.S. Code Section 30121.
The law states, in part, that it is illegal duh for a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election.
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The fact that a President of the United States is essentially applauding his own sons collusion with a foreign government is stunning even for Donald Trump.
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Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)they know they won't be prosecuted & furthermore, they won't have to worry about free, honest elections to stay in office.
DK504
(3,847 posts)This is a Whopper. This is a paper trail of conspiracy & collusion. Those that say he didn't break any laws. The Collaborators refuse to even read or acknowledge there is a law against conspiracy.
Ted Leiu had a great analogy, if you get an email from someone telling you they had a bag of cocaine and you replied, "I love it! Be right there" it's a conspiracy to commit a crime, whether the coke was there or not is irrelevant. You went there knowing a crime was being committed. Seem that is a bit too over the head of the Fux and Phonies as they try to lie with every breath they take.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)brush
(53,791 posts)Or any of the rest of those traitors in his administration?
Even his Attorney fu_king General lied about his meeting with Russians.
They should all be in jail.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)but not the standard operating procedure in politics. I have to question that remark. In light of all the evidence that points to GOP corruption over the past few decades, maybe this is standard operating procedure. Maybe the fact that these people are pure idiots has exposed the corruption that has always been rampant in politics. Honestly, I don't feel now like I can trust our government to have impeccable moral standards. Also, the fact that tRump supporters condone this type of behavior (think it indicative of a strong leader) frightens the hell out of me.
oxbow
(2,034 posts)The fact that they still support this family should never be forgotten.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)makes mention of a "thing of value". We all know money qualifies as that. So does property.
The Trump family defense will settle around whether listening to someone talk is a "thing of value" in this case, especially if nothing came out of it. Listening to someone blather is worthless. I expect that will be the tack that they take.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Here's your orange jumpsuit sonny boy, visiting days are Sund...oh nice you and Daddy can be cellies!
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)It's like trying to bust someone for buying pot, when they ended up with a bag of oregano.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)If I was caught with a bag of (what turned out to be) oregano in my car, I couldn't be charged. If I was overheard by authorities saying I wanted to buy some pot, and then bought something I THOUGHT was pot, but turned out to be oregano, I'd still be charged with a crime, because of the intent.
PS, I live in Oregon, where the above is a completely moot point--in either case I'd get a "have a nice day, ma'am". In Pennsyltucky, I'm sure I'd get life without parole.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)I just put out there what I thought would be one of the defenses. It doesn't make any difference, anyone who Trump is loyal to, and who has shown unswerving loyalty to him will get a pardon.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)If I emailed you to sell you a pound of cocaine, you then said, "I love it" and you showed up with intent to buy said bag of cocaine, it doesn't matter if I show up with cocaine, flower or sugar, your intent was to break the law.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)is that I know that cocaine is illegal for me to buy, its common knowledge.
Manafort and Kushner (I found out here that he's been to law school) surely would have expected to know the law regarding foreign entities. I would not expect Junior to be aware of it, and the fact that at least Manafort green-lighted the meeting was probably why he didn't question it. Let's face it, if this Russian had been an American citizen, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. It would be legal, plain and simple.
I know that ignorance of a law does not excuse breaking it, but there are innocent violations of campaign law all the time, and the parties involved are merely fined. That will be Trump's excuse to pardon Junior, Kushner had better hope that he is seen by Trump in the same light, and Manafort is toast.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)But, when you are a senior person in the campaign - and, his attending with Kushner and Manafort means that he was high level, you are expected to know the rules. If I worked as a CPA and made a huge filing error on behalf of a foreign client with US business interests, I couldn't claim to the IRS that I didn't know the rules as an excuse. As a CPA, I should know the rules. Just like as a senior campaign official, Don Jr should have known as well.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)they should take on this development---if there was any doubt for them. Should the fact that the pile of do do just gets higher and higher be having any impact on his base....like cracking the foundation....he comes riding in to tell them all is well. Nothing wrong here and those nasty reporters and journalists are just out to get me. Don't believe any of it. He knows he needs to shore up the base and since he was leaving for France for a few days, he needed to get it out there before he left.
Expect his faithful supporters in congress to take up the flag for him bright and early tomorrow morning. I will be surprised if there is not a full throated endorsement of what Jr. did. If you get queasy easily you might want to have some crackers and ginger ale handy.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)This man must be ousted.
Initech
(100,081 posts)peggysue2
(10,832 posts)are attempting to normalize their behavior, pretend that secret meetings with a foreign adversary, gathering opposition research from said adversary to tip an election is A-okay, something a lot of people would do.
Yes, people with no honor or sense of rightness could find a way around all manner of bad, illegal behavior. Because a winning scenario is everything, even when it's illegitimate. Which Don the Con and his family is: illegitimate and corrupt. They've been spinning their crooked wheels for decades, so naturally they felt grabbing the White House would be same old, same old.
This is the behavior of depots. The only blessing in all of this is that DT and his crew are incredibly incompetent.
And why the 2018 elections are so very, very important.
misanthrope
(7,418 posts)Many people want to know.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)As a show of support, what say all these anonymous people who would have taken that meeting sign an affidavit to that effect and publish it on the media source of your choosing, Mr. Trump.
There. Are. No. Such. People.