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misanthrope

(7,418 posts)
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 05:38 AM Jul 2017

I love your humor Mr. Colbert but you really need to know your history better

During his July 11 conversation with John Oliver, Stephen Colbert said:

"I'm used to a world where we're divided on things like abortion or taxes or government-controlled health care, polarizing issues. Have we come to a nation where colluding with a hostile foreign power to manipulate our election is a left-right thing?"

The Reagan election team colluded with Iran in 1980 to prevent the release of American hostages until the day of his inauguration. Republicans weren't just comfortable colluding with an American enemy, but further risking Americans who had already suffered in captivity for months.

The Jimmy Carter administration did all the legwork to release the 52 American hostages who had been held in Tehran since Nov. 4, 1979. In September 1980, the Iranians contacted the Carter White House to strike a deal for the hostages' release in exchange for $11 billion in frozen Iranian assets.

Meanwhile, the Reagan campaign manager William J. Casey and others set about finagling through back channels to keep the hostages under wraps until after the election. Once Reagan won, they thought timing the hostage release on inauguration day would work best for propaganda reasons. They were apparently correct.

Casey went on to head Reagan's CIA and was in the middle of the eventually exposed Iran-Contra scandal where the Reagan administration supplied arms to enemy terrorists. Conveniently for Reagan, Casey died during that scandal's investigation before he could testify to Congress.

So if you'll look, Mr. Colbert, it's apparent what's happened under Trump isn't an aberration as you let Joe Scarborough maintain last night. It's actually pretty par for the course where they're concerned.

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I love your humor Mr. Colbert but you really need to know your history better (Original Post) misanthrope Jul 2017 OP
Reagan never fooled me for one minute Skittles Jul 2017 #1
Nixon scuttled the 1968 vietnam peace talks Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #2
You don't want to know what I think about GWB and Saudi Arabia. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #3
Yes saidsimplesimon Jul 2017 #4
There hasn't been not fooled Jul 2017 #5
Perhaps he meant that... BobTheSubgenius Jul 2017 #6
I believe the difference here - at this time in our history - yallerdawg Jul 2017 #7
Ike is the last repug elected legitimately, and the last one worthy of respect. brush Jul 2017 #8
He's saying that condemning DRUMPF's treason should be unanimous, not defended by wingnuts UTUSN Jul 2017 #9
Iran/Reagan Deal to hold the hostages itcfish Jul 2017 #10

Voltaire2

(13,068 posts)
2. Nixon scuttled the 1968 vietnam peace talks
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:18 AM
Jul 2017

the treachery goes way back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/opinion/sunday/nixons-vietnam-treachery.html?_r=0
Richard M. Nixon always denied it: to David Frost, to historians and to Lyndon B. Johnson, who had the strongest suspicions and the most cause for outrage at his successor’s rumored treachery. To them all, Nixon insisted that he had not sabotaged Johnson’s 1968 peace initiative to bring the war in Vietnam to an early conclusion. “My God. I would never do anything to encourage” South Vietnam “not to come to the table,” Nixon told Johnson, in a conversation captured on the White House taping system.

Now we know Nixon lied. A newfound cache of notes left by H. R. Haldeman, his closest aide, shows that Nixon directed his campaign’s efforts to scuttle the peace talks, which he feared could give his opponent, Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey, an edge in the 1968 election. On Oct. 22, 1968, he ordered Haldeman to “monkey wrench” the initiative.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
5. There hasn't been
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 07:11 AM
Jul 2017

a legitimately elected puke president since Eisenhower. Analysis courtesy of Thom Hartmann (apologies to the haters):

In addition to the examples cited by the OP:

Nixon's campaign colluded secretly with the N Vietnamese to scuttle the peace agreement Johnson was working on, with the result that the Vietnam War continued and was an albatross that hampered Humphrey's candidacy; GOP Senator Everett Dirksen is on tape admitting to LBJ that the Nixon campaign's actions are "treason".

Bush I: came into office on Reagan's coattails. No Reagan, no Bush.

Bush II: we all know that Jeb and Katherine Harris rigged the election in FL, and Blackwell the same four years later in OH.

They lie, cheat, and steal. No moral compass and no ethics. Just a raw lust for power.



yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
7. I believe the difference here - at this time in our history -
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 08:30 AM
Jul 2017

is how THIS occupant of the White House is driven absolutely crazy about the notion of Russian collusion - as common as it may be for campaigns to work every damn angle they can find!

As we all know, it's not so much "the act" that brings down a presidency - it's what they do to cover it up! The lies and denials.

The same psychosis devastated Nixon.

And we can trust Trump is definitely "doomed to repeat it."

brush

(53,791 posts)
8. Ike is the last repug elected legitimately, and the last one worthy of respect.
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jul 2017

Illegitimacy is in the air with the rest of them, except maybe Daddy Bush, with him it was fecklessness.

itcfish

(1,828 posts)
10. Iran/Reagan Deal to hold the hostages
Thu Jul 13, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jul 2017

until after the election was never really proved was it? I remember reading about Bush Sr. flying to Paris to meet with the Iranians, but was there any solid proof?

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