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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI love your humor Mr. Colbert but you really need to know your history better
During his July 11 conversation with John Oliver, Stephen Colbert said:
"I'm used to a world where we're divided on things like abortion or taxes or government-controlled health care, polarizing issues. Have we come to a nation where colluding with a hostile foreign power to manipulate our election is a left-right thing?"
The Reagan election team colluded with Iran in 1980 to prevent the release of American hostages until the day of his inauguration. Republicans weren't just comfortable colluding with an American enemy, but further risking Americans who had already suffered in captivity for months.
The Jimmy Carter administration did all the legwork to release the 52 American hostages who had been held in Tehran since Nov. 4, 1979. In September 1980, the Iranians contacted the Carter White House to strike a deal for the hostages' release in exchange for $11 billion in frozen Iranian assets.
Meanwhile, the Reagan campaign manager William J. Casey and others set about finagling through back channels to keep the hostages under wraps until after the election. Once Reagan won, they thought timing the hostage release on inauguration day would work best for propaganda reasons. They were apparently correct.
Casey went on to head Reagan's CIA and was in the middle of the eventually exposed Iran-Contra scandal where the Reagan administration supplied arms to enemy terrorists. Conveniently for Reagan, Casey died during that scandal's investigation before he could testify to Congress.
So if you'll look, Mr. Colbert, it's apparent what's happened under Trump isn't an aberration as you let Joe Scarborough maintain last night. It's actually pretty par for the course where they're concerned.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)it sickens me how so many people fell for his act
Voltaire2
(13,068 posts)the treachery goes way back.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/opinion/sunday/nixons-vietnam-treachery.html?_r=0
Richard M. Nixon always denied it: to David Frost, to historians and to Lyndon B. Johnson, who had the strongest suspicions and the most cause for outrage at his successors rumored treachery. To them all, Nixon insisted that he had not sabotaged Johnsons 1968 peace initiative to bring the war in Vietnam to an early conclusion. My God. I would never do anything to encourage South Vietnam not to come to the table, Nixon told Johnson, in a conversation captured on the White House taping system.
Now we know Nixon lied. A newfound cache of notes left by H. R. Haldeman, his closest aide, shows that Nixon directed his campaigns efforts to scuttle the peace talks, which he feared could give his opponent, Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey, an edge in the 1968 election. On Oct. 22, 1968, he ordered Haldeman to monkey wrench the initiative.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)We've been down that road before. Kiss the Saudi orb and start a war in Qatar.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)a legitimately elected puke president since Eisenhower. Analysis courtesy of Thom Hartmann (apologies to the haters):
In addition to the examples cited by the OP:
Nixon's campaign colluded secretly with the N Vietnamese to scuttle the peace agreement Johnson was working on, with the result that the Vietnam War continued and was an albatross that hampered Humphrey's candidacy; GOP Senator Everett Dirksen is on tape admitting to LBJ that the Nixon campaign's actions are "treason".
Bush I: came into office on Reagan's coattails. No Reagan, no Bush.
Bush II: we all know that Jeb and Katherine Harris rigged the election in FL, and Blackwell the same four years later in OH.
They lie, cheat, and steal. No moral compass and no ethics. Just a raw lust for power.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)...being outraged about it is a "left wing thing."
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)is how THIS occupant of the White House is driven absolutely crazy about the notion of Russian collusion - as common as it may be for campaigns to work every damn angle they can find!
As we all know, it's not so much "the act" that brings down a presidency - it's what they do to cover it up! The lies and denials.
The same psychosis devastated Nixon.
And we can trust Trump is definitely "doomed to repeat it."
brush
(53,791 posts)Illegitimacy is in the air with the rest of them, except maybe Daddy Bush, with him it was fecklessness.
UTUSN
(70,711 posts)itcfish
(1,828 posts)until after the election was never really proved was it? I remember reading about Bush Sr. flying to Paris to meet with the Iranians, but was there any solid proof?