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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's been nonstop this morning.
Turned on morning joe. I don't think the 8am EDT segment was a repeat of 6am, as they frequently do. The entire three hours has been on trump, kushner, junior, jeff sessions, jared's digital election project, etc. They haven't given trump a rest in three hours.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)babylonsister
(171,070 posts)days as more shoes drop. It's about time.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)I remember it different. The congressional Republicans started something unusual. They impeached for sex.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)and it was certainly going after Clinton for sex was the most egregious, I believe the root of this particular 'unusual' goes back a bit further... to when Nixon was president... and has been percolating, mostly in the background, since then.
It wasn't just Nixon & crew's Watergate activity/crimes either. Nixon developed a 'Southern Strategy" to bring the angry anti-civil rights 'Dixiecrats' over to the Republican Party. Nixon also put in place as a judge a man named Lewis Powell who wrote The Powell Memorandum that was used as a blueprint that lead us to Citizens United and corporations having so much power.
ananda
(28,866 posts)Clinton did commit perjury and was impeached for it,
but not convicted.
But that case does not compare to this one, which is
about representation and the elections process ...
MUCH MORE SERIOUS AND SINISTER!
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)Clinton still had a highly ethnically mixed administration, he tried to be more inclusive of blacks and Hispanics and women. One of the main reasons he was so disliked by the RW-bigots. He had a brilliant mind and everyone knew Hillary was his mental equal. They were a true power couple, likable, and smart. Bill was vied by many as poor white trailer trash, something that should have endeared him to the current Trumpsters but was overshadowed by his befriending so many blacks, Hollywood stars and allowing Hillary to be more than a door mat. His sexual infidelities, though kindred to many GOP men and especially his Congressional pursuers, is what the USED to take in down.
Nevertheless, he came back, and presided over the greatest economic times since post the great depression. More minorities were lifted out of poverty and raised into the middle class that at any other time. The two bad spots were that more minorities were also imprisoned during his administration also. We know what was behind that and those inequities between white and black users of drugs still persist.
The RW will go to their graves hating him and Hillary and many of the rest of us will go to our graves appreciating what he tried to do and sorry that Hillary had the 2016 election stolen from her by the RW-Russian cabal that is still at work to undermine our democracy and our government. Let them be cursed.
Some of us know the truth. The only reason for most of the GOP red-state base to still support Trump is that he still dog whistles and they know the sound and the run to it. Racism still carries their day.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)The 90s were my early adult years, at first I didn't understand the hatred for Bill from semi rural types, but it became clear as it went on.
They were horrible in all of the bullshit the put him through, and somehow they are literally several times worse now.
The problem is, as obvious as it is they are manipulating the hell out of peoples hatreds and biases, the country just never stops indulging their bullshit, and they know it.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)and polarization. Clinton actually ran on running in the center.
I suspect that it is the parties, not the administrations that have changed. If you look back at the Congress in the 1970s or even 1980s you would see that there were both liberal Republicans (Jacob Javits) and Conservative Democrats ( many of whom later changed party). Now, on almost any scale based on votes, you have all the Congressional Democrats on one end and all the Congressional Republicans on the other -- with a pretty big gap in between.
This means that the entire agenda changes when the President, the Speaker and/or the Senate Majority Leader changes. It is no longer the preferred solution, but the very goals that change. Consider that in 2009, we started to make progress on most issues, with the republicans obstructing to try to prevent those changes. Now, they are moving things backward (from our perspective) trying to destroy any of the hard fought progress. As long as the two parties are so polarized, this will continue. The only thing that keeps each side from legislating what its "extreme" (for lack of a better word) wants is that they will need almost all or all of their legislators (and maybe a few in the Senate from the other side) to pass most pieces of legislation. Given the polarization, the cloture rule (which is endangered) is more important than ever.
Two other massive changes are that the amount of money in politics, always too high, is now absolutely massive and that progressively since the late 1980s, we more and more Republicans watching their own media - where Fox and RW media have formed an echo chamber where each validates each other. Under Trump, this took another step where it is not the Rush Limbaugh clones saying that what we used to just call the media is lying, but the President of the United States. (I turned the car radio to one such channel briefly and heard a man indignantly complaining that saying 17 intelligence agencies was a Clinton lie -- and that the left continues to lie "even after the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES disputed that." He went on to act shocked that anyone would question the truthfulness and accuracy of the august POTUS! Something tells me, they did not speak like that in 2016!)
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Sounds like things are going according to plan for the GOP.
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)Our Democratic representatives in Congress can do several things at once. During their appearances this morning, both Sens. Klobuchar and Sanders talked about the asinine "health care" bill in strong terms.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Nothing on the gop's links to russian money, though, especially McConnell's and Ryan's.
Botany
(70,516 posts).... w/the Russians.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017447979
And Ms. Veselnitskaya who met w/Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort
is more then a little involved.
Veselnitskaya's role / Prevezon Holdings
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/natalia-veselnitskaya-russian-lawyer-met-donald-trump-jr/story?id=48537631
Veselnitskaya's role
Veselnitskaya acted as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv, a key figure in the U.S. indictment. The son of a former Moscow regional transport minister, he was sole owner of Prevezon Holdings, which was named in the U.S. indictment alleging that some proceeds from the tax fraud scheme were laundered through the purchase of New York City real estate.
(Want to guess who owned that real estate? Kushner and or Trump? Just saying.)
The U.S. Attorney's Office in New York announced in May that the case was settled*, subject to court approval, with Prevezon agreeing to pay nearly $6 million. The settlement specifies that it is a "compromise of disputed claims" and that the defendants denied that the allegations "occurred as described." It adds that the complaint doesn't allege that any of the defendants were "responsible, directly or indirectly, for the arrest, detention or death of Sergei Magnitsky.
* This could have been part of the deal from the June 2016 Veselnitskaya, Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort meeting. Jeff Sessions might have helped in putting this deal through too.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/natalia-veselnitskaya-russian-lawyer-met-donald-trump-jr/story?id=48537631
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Botany
(70,516 posts)It was a coup, we had treason, and an act of war by a hostile foreign power.
I have no doubt that McConnell, Ryan, and Jeffy Sessions were all involved too.
George II
(67,782 posts)Orrex
(63,216 posts)SAD!
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Trying to "kill the messenger"
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I haven't heard any recent news on this, but it doesn't surprise me. Do you have a link?
doodsaq
(120 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)Maddow is the best.
Sacrosanct much?
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I just hope it continues. It's about time they held this administration's collective feet to the fire. Trump and his odious family and supporters should be tormented every hour of every day.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)that Trump is in Paris. How convenient that he will leave the country again while all this is in the news.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)President to speak in front of a cheering and adoring crowd.
I shit you not