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Real life Trumpster question, who doesn't see anything wrong with US being a Russian subsidiary...GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)My uncle had a mild heart attack while visiting there and was treated well and never got a bill.
Igel
(35,357 posts)Students were told to have good insurance coverage. "Good" meant "it includes flying you to Finland and paying for hospitalization there." Many were billed for their care. Depended on the politics of the situation. If they were on friendship visits, then their care was PR and they made the news as an example of how wonderful the system was. If not, it varied by efficiency and political demands.
Polikliniki or "polyclinics" were everywhere and gave the usual vaccinations. They were often in short supply. Mostly they set bones, dealt with things treated with some pills, or told people to go home and let the virus run its course. They'd also handle abortions and birth control. There's no way to tell how safe the abortions were--the statistics were top secret and if unfavorable simply reported at odds with reality, as with most things (the government decided what the truth was). The polikliniki were billed as the best healthcare on Earth, so few complained. If they are already admired by everybody, nobody could do better. Think of them as "general practitioners." They were more likely to be free to visitors than hospitals. They were certainly provided better care for the commoners than was readily available in 1918, but you'd have to be pretty destitute in the West to get that kind of care.
Hospitals came in two varieties. There were those for important people--defined not as "wealthy" but as "politically connected." The two words were often interchangeable, and when they weren't political power made money unimportant. (You could pay the same rent for a small 1-bedroom walk-up apartment on the fourth floor you shared with your spouse, mother, and 3 kids as for a large three-bedroom apartment you shared with your spouse and budgie; you could pay so much per pound for pork and get ground up shoulder or loin.) They had medicines, often imported from the West, better doctors, private rooms or rooms not shared by many other people, and better equipment and food.
The hoi polloi hospitals in the '50s and '60s had only wards. No private rooms (except in smaller cities without top-tier hospitals), but wards. Most Americans have to look up what the word even means. The lucky would only share a room with 3-4 other people, all suffering from different things. As of the '70s, it wasn't uncommon for people to have to bribe the doctor for more attention or for scarce medicines, and families routinely brought in food and clean linens. And, again, the populace was convinced they had it better than every place else. If a leader came to the West for treatment, it couldn't make the news there.
Things were a bit different--mostly worse--in the late '80s. And always, if you were outside of certain cities, no matter how large the city, it was worse. Moscow and Leningrad, the best. Akademgorodok and a few other smaller places, good. Kazan' and Kiev, not just horrible. Tula? Sverdlovsk? Gor'kii? Just don't get sick there.
Moving to privatized healthcare in former Soviet and Soviet bloc countries mostly just changed who was privileged. The fall of the Iron Curtain meant that Western drugs and procedures could be easily imported. It also meant that health care at the bottom end got worse--but a lot of health care was really crappy. Things like setting bones, though, became more expensive. Overall, an improvement. But if we weight the bottom 10% properly, we can define it was a worsening. It's all in the definitions. In Russia, they have universal care, but it's sort of still dependent on what you can afford, who you are, and where you live. And, again, getting the real numbers is a bit of a bear: They were available for a while, but the government is again into the truth-definition business. Left or right, it's a question of people: The Soviet "kto kogo?" still works; I paraphrase it using another Soviet saying, "In capitalism, it's the oppression of man by man--while under communism, it's the other way around."
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)Healthcare in Russia is provided by the state through the Federal Compulsory Medical Insurance Fund, and regulated through the Ministry of Health.[1] The Constitution of the Russian Federation has provided all citizens the right to free healthcare since 1996. In 2008, 621,000 doctors and 1.3 million nurses were employed in Russian healthcare. The number of doctors per 10,000 people was 43.8, but only 12.1 in rural areas. The number of general practitioners as a share of the total number of doctors was 1.26 percent. There are about 9.3 beds per thousand populationnearly double the OECD average.
Expenditure on healthcare was 6.5% of Gross Domestic Product, US$957 per person in 2013. About 48% comes from government sources. About 5% of the population, mostly in major cities, have voluntary health insurance.[2]
After the end of the Soviet Union, Russian healthcare became composed of state and private systems. Originally, state healthcare was greatly inferior, while pricier private facilities provided better-quality healthcare. The state healthcare system greatly improved throughout the 2000s, with health spending per person rising from $96 in 2000 to $957 in 2013.
Due to the ongoing Russian financial crisis since 2014, major cuts in health spending have resulted in a decline in the quality of service of the state healthcare system. About 40% of basic medical facilities have fewer staff than they are supposed to have, with others being closed down. Waiting times for treatment have increased, and patients have been forced to pay for more services that were previously free.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Russia
Like US. if you are wealthy, you have private insurance and go to great hospital with the best doctors. If all you have is public care, you get the ones who barely made it out of school.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)1. where are the public care hospitals? there was one in NOLA, but Katrina took care of that.
2. which public care hospitals are staffed with "ones who barely made it out of school"?
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)But there are some real public hospitals. Some city/counties built and operated hospitals. Some still exist that were not privatized.
Here is a listing I found of some.
http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/lists-and-statistics/20-largest-public-hospitals-in-the-united-states.html
I image a lot of the smaller hospitals had interns and residents practicing there whereby the big well know hospitals got the higher grade point graduates.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)which is the situation millions of Americans find themselves in. low-GPA residents or not.
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)dalton99a
(81,590 posts)Russia's Bad Health Care System Is Getting Worse
By Marc Bennetts On 11/21/16 at 10:44 AM
It was late at night when Hanna Rún, a 26-year-old ballroom dancing champion from Iceland, woke up with searing chest pains in Penza, a city some 400 miles southeast of Moscow. Alarmed by her worsening condition, her Russian in-laws did what anyone else would dothey called an ambulance.
Rún would soon wish they hadnt.
After an ambulance ride down potholed roads, Rún was placed in a hospital ward with moldy walls, filthy sheets and screaming nurses who crudely administered an intravenous drip. In the hospitals corridors, patients sat or lay on grimy floors.
But it was the hospitals restrooms that shocked her most. The floor was soaking wet and muddy, and the toilet was jammed full of urine and feces, she wrote in a blog post, since deleted, about what she called her nightmare in Penza. Holding her sweater over her nose to keep out the stench, Rún tried not to touch anything in the restroom: The sink was full of blood, she wrote.
shraby
(21,946 posts)suffer bigly.
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,856 posts)the quality is not good.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)According to the article, its better in major cities, not so good in the provinces.
Nitram
(22,888 posts)3catwoman3
(24,046 posts)...designed to look at health care and nursing in the USSR. I anticipated that we would probably be shown the world class facilities where the likes of their Olympic athletes were cared for. No. We saw 4 everyday hospitals, and they were grim, at best. It was August, and it was hot. The first place we toured was in Moscow. It had the windows open, because there was no air conditioning. There were no screens on the windows, and there were flies crawling EVERYWHERE. Really disgusting.
We were taken thru was was purported to be an ICU - no monitors, no suction machines, very little equipment of any kind, and tall glass walled medicine cabinets that were almost empty.
There was more equipment on display in the Health Pavilion than we saw in any of the actual hospitals.
I would not have wanted to be taken ill while I was there. It was interesting, but I was very glad to get home.
On a related note, on one flight between republics, the plane was rather iffy. As we walked across the tarmac, it was quite obvious that the tires were pretty bald. The carpet in the aisle was loose and all bunched up. No oxygen masks or safety briefing. My seat belt had the buckle end but no insert on the other side, so no way to fasten it. I had a window seat. It got so cold once we reached cruising altitude that frost formed on the wall next to my seat. Kinda scary. It was a relief when we landed safely.
There is a book, published in 1981, by William Knaus, entitled Inside Russian Medicine. It was a fascinating read at the time. It would be dated now, of course, but I would still recommend it for those who might be interested. Dr. Knaus spent 2 years as the physician for a business enterprise traveling around the USSR. When employees of the business became ill and needed hospitalization, he would stay in the hospital with them to keep an eye on things. Some hair-raising stories. One of the most disturbing things was the practice of open IV bottles - a piece of gauze would be placed over the open end of the IV bottle after the fluids were put in. Not exactly sterile. There was a high post-op infection rate. Imagine that!
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Igel
(35,357 posts)Nobody wanted to embarrass the country. And the usual story was that the USSR had the best health care on Earth.
At the same time, the hospital facilities for the important people wouldn't want to have their floors soiled by Westerners. The very top health care was largely imported from the West. Drugs and equipment. It would look bad compared to top hospitals in the West, but probably no worse than run-of-the-mill facilities.
The ruble was non-convertible--you weren't to have hard currency in the country, and it was still illegal to take the ruble out of the country. Hard currency, Western currency, was in short supply and reserved for what was really important. That meant stuff for the top leaders and for the military, as well as, in some cases, foreign aid for the USSR's puppet dictators, agents and such.