Dont EVEN Go There

[NanceGreggs]

Given the spinelessness of the GOP when it comes to standing up to their ignorant, beyond stupid, incoherent “pResident” – the man who handed over highly confidential information to the Russians, the man who has demonstrated his complete ignorance of our government’s workings, the man who has repeatedly lied about everything from the size of his inauguration crowd to the size of his dick, the man who has insulted our allies while kissing the ass of our enemies – I really DON’T want to hear how spineless Democrats are ever again.

After watching Republican voters come out in droves to put Putin’s bitch in the Oval Office, I don’t want to hear from alleged liberals and progressives about how voting Third Party – or refusing to vote at all – “sends a message” to the Democratic party. The ONLY “message” they’ve sent is that they’d rather see their country in the hands of a bloviating, narcissistic madman than support a candidate who (a) “stole” the primaries from their candidate-of-choice (by actually winning those primaries) or (b) wasn’t “pure” enough to suit them. And that turned out really, really well – didn’t it?

I refuse to believe that those who voted for Jill Stein, or wrote-in Bernie Sanders on their GE ballots, had any regard whatsoever for their country or their fellow citizens. They KNEW that neither Stein nor Bernie would be elected; they KNEW they were throwing their votes away. Their only interest was drawing attention to themselves by claiming to have done so, without any thought to the consequences.

We are now witnessing exactly how spineless Republicans are, as they kow-tow to an excruciatingly ignorant madman whose disregard for the country and it citizens is as blatant as his dishonesty, his stupidity, and his unquenchable thirst for having his ego stroked while he repeatedly demonstrates not only his disrespect for the office he holds, but his disrespect for the countrymen he swore to serve.

While Donald Trump publicly kisses the asses of our nation’s enemies, the Republican party is busy kissing his ass for doing so. And those who spewed the “both parties are the same” bullshit can’t hide the fact that they have their mouths puckered-up, because their votes are the proof that they were more than willing to do the same.

[Gothmog]

1. Trump is indeed Putin's puppet or bitch

[whathehell]

4. The first demeans Trump, the second is a misogynistic slur.

that demeans women. You don't want to go there.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

8. WAIT WUT? You know, I'm a woman & have been one since birth...

Guess what? I am a woman, a FEMALE HUMAN BEING and HAVE NEVER considered myself to be a bitch (which is the name for a female dog). So, whoever uses that term is more than welcome to use it as it is NOT the default term for an ACTUAL woman...

[whathehell]

11. It's a slur, and is used to mean an "actual woman" all the time....

especially in prisons and other low life environments.

I'm a woman too, so I know how you feel, but what do you think is meant when someone calls another someone's "bitch"?

It's ugly and extremely degrading, which is why I cautioned the poster against using it.

[NanceGreggs]

22. No, it's not.

The term "bitch" is often used, especially in political discussion, to denote someone who is willing to be subservient to another.

Calling Trump "Putin's bitch", or even "Putin's cock-holster" (as Stephen Colbert so aptly put it) has nothing to do with gender or sexuality - any more than rape is about sex. It's about who's in control, and who is willing to relinquish control.

[NurseJackie]

28. There's one in every crowd... you can't please everyone. But in this case...

... you definitely pleased me! Great post, Nance!

[whathehell]

30. Yes, I'm afraid it is.

and I'm well aware of it's meaning. The fact that it's used frequently in politics says nothing about it's origins.

Like most areas of Western culture, politics is deeply patriarchal
and the language reflects that.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

23. "I figured that's what you mean but I REFUSE to be defined by

GHETTO nomenclature... I am NOT a female canine neither will answer to that word. Frankly, I'm alot more likely to end up in prison for assault than to accept that word as a word that defines ANY part of me. LOL, Just sayin"

[whathehell]

31. Well, that's a good thing..

I think most black people refuse to be defined by racial slurs too.

As in their case, however, that choice does NOT eliminate the need to denounce the slurs themselves, and eliminate them from our vocabulary, especially if we call ourselves "progressive" and claim to support dignity and respect for all.

[mr_lebowski]

9. Someone who, I assume, is female (nancegriggs) used the very same term in her post ...

A point worth considering, IMHO ...

[whathehell]

13. So you think that makes it "okay"?

I didn't read it, so I don't know the context, but I'd warn you against thinking that makes it "okay". PoC sometimes call each other the "n-word" or other slurs, but don't like it (understandably) when whites use it....It's the same with men and women.

[mr_lebowski]

16. And you know that GothMog is a male, I presume?

And therefore it's 'not okay'? That what you're saying?

[whathehell]

20. I don't find it "okay" under any circumstances..

but just like racial slurs, it's a lot LESS okay when coming from

someone who is NOT the subject of the slur.

[Gothmog]

14. Who cares if trump is demean?

Trump was elected by Putin with help of idiots who voted for Stein and other idiots who listened to russian fake news.

[whathehell]

21. Not me -- If you read the post, you'll see that

demeaning Trump is not what I'm talking about.

[George II]

34. In the context in which it was used that word is appropriate, no reference to a female or a woman.

[whathehell]

39. I know what you're saying, but in cases like these "context" really

is not "everything". The word "bitch' is a derogatory slur for a female. Expanding it's use to cover other people or situations does not erase the slur's original meaning

If, for instance, I use the anti-Semitic phrase "Jewing them down"...Does it matter if the person I'm bargaining with is NOT Jewish?....If I call a white person the N-word, does that make it okay? I think most of us would say "no".

There are some words and phrases that, due to history and past and present injustices, are just not "okay"...Maybe at some future time they will be, but not at present.

An interesting aspect here, is that the poster's FIRST choice of words to describe Trump's relationship with Putin was "puppet" which is an entirely appropriate, gender-neutral word describing his relationship.

Why he then added "bitch" as an alternate, I don't know.
Maybe "puppet" wasn't demeaning enough, in the sense that to REALLY degrade a man, you must "feminize" him in the lowest, most dehumanized way.

To restate, there are words like "puppet" that describe the situation perfectly without offending the reader. That being the case, why choose an ugly slur that does?

[NastyRiffraff]

41. You read the OP (nor not?) and that's your only take away?

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Good grief. As a female person, I wasn't fake-outraged at ALL. I know what that term means in the context that it was used. So, I suspect, do you, but you had to try to trash the thread.

Great OP as always, Nance.

[whathehell]

42. No, but it is was one of them..

and just because it's not YOURS, there is no need for baseless accusations of "false outrage. Do enjoy your day.

[Thinkingabout]

2. If Trump had the ability to give favor to the citizens of the US as he gives to Putin he just may

have learned to be presidential, he does not have the ability, he is willing to throw anyone under the bus.

[Jamaal510]

3. K&R

[lunamagica]

5. YES! Thank you! Sometimes I despise these people even more that I despise the

trumptists. They are nothing more that hypocrites, who pretend to be the most caring to people and the planet, yet had no problem to vote in a way that would destroy millions of lives. It is worth it to them, as long as they don't have to sacrifice anything at all.

Their monstrous selfishness has already ruined millions of lives.

So, all of you who could vote but decided to stay home, who voted for stain, who wrote-in Sanders, are you happy with your revolution?

How do you sleep?

[ismnotwasm]

6. K&R

[Motownman78]

7. And tonight we saw how powerless the President truly is

BS would have gotten NOTHING of his "agenda" done. So why be angry that he didn't get the nomination? Vote for the person who most aligns with your issues who has the best chance to win.

[mr_lebowski]

12. I strongly support(ed) Bernie ... still do ... but I completely understand the DNC backing Hillary

She's a lifelong Democrat.

Bernie is an Independent. Never joined the Party.

So, in light of this ... why THE F*** SHOULDN'T .... the DNC have thrown as much weight behind her candidacy as they could?

I don't think Bernie himself ever EXPECTED the support of the DNC, nor is he angry about anything they did to support her winning the Primary. He expected it. In fact, it was part of his appeal, as an outsider.

No .. the 'anger' on the subject came from his followers, and that news that made them so angry ... it came DIRECTLY from the Russian Hacks ... and their response/attitude played DIRECTLY into TrumPutin's hands ... they are the ones who fomented the discord, via their social media hacking with their fake news. And a significant-enough contingent of Bernie-supporters ... stayed home as a result. EXACTLY what Russia and Trump WANTED.

Anyone who refused to show up and vote for Hillary in November JUST based on what the DNC and DWS supposedly 'did to Bernie' ... in MY EYES ... is a dumb sucker.

In some senses, I think of such people as being even dumber than the Trumpists.

Either way ... they sure as shit got played.

For the record, I wanted Bernie as our nominee ... when he didn't win, I happily supported HRC in his stead.

[Gothmog]

18. Russia targeted Sanders supporters with fake news

I remember that there were six or so pizzagate threads open on JPR for a while even after this story was debunked. Russia targeted Sanders supporters with fake news and lies to keep these voters from voting and it appears to have worked. Even today, the JPR site is the home of putin lovers who dismiss the concept of russian hacks.

[brer cat]

24. Thank you for this post.

There is little, if any, doubt that the Russians fed negative fake news about Hillary to Bernie supporters to create discord among Democrats and Democrat-leaning independents. Those who spread the news and encouraged Bernie supporters to withhold support for Hillary have a portion of the responsibility for trump. However it is very clear that most, like yourself, accepted the Party's nominee and moved on.

Unfortunately, Russia is still spreading discord within the Party but it shouldn't create a wedge between those who originally supported Bernie yet voted for Hillary and those who originally supported Hillary yet would have voted for Bernie had he been the nominee. We are the majority, just not the most vocal.

[mr_lebowski]

44. Very welcome, and I'm in 100% agreement ... (n/t)

[WoonTars]

29. But Hillary would? Don't make me laugh, it would have been 24/7 impeachment hearings...

She wouldn't be able to get a goddamned thing done....

[ismnotwasm]

35. We wouldn't be filling the courts with right-wing assholes for one

As Trump is doing at a record pace. We wouldn't be threatening the ACA to the point those assholes are doing. Hillary also knows how to govern. We wouldn't have the sheer incompetence Trump is demonstrating on every level. She would get shit done.

[WoonTars]

36. Except no she wouldn't as none of her picks would get confirmed.

They would stall everything and grind it to a halt.

[betsuni]

10. K&R

[NBachers]

17. Thanks, Nance- Trump didn't have to be president. Those who enabled his election

need to be called out loud, clear, and often.

[Gothmog]

19. K&R

[brer cat]

25. K&R

[Progressive dog]

26. Tell it like it is!!!!

Thank you.

[NNadir]

27. Go Nance! n/t

[George II]

32. Good observations. The election campaign next year is going to be very interesting!

[Me.]

33. K & R

[niyad]

37. k and r and spot on, as always.

[heaven05]

38. TOP NOTCH TRUTH

[smirkymonkey]

40. K&R

[malaise]

43. Excellent post

Go There!