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kwassa

(23,340 posts)
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 04:16 PM Aug 2017

Money Laundering as the crime to bring down Donald Trump ....

despite the technically legal way in which it is done, he might be in the big business of laundering corrupt monies from other countries, particularly Russia.

from today's WaPo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-the-trump-organization-could-be-trumps-undoing/2017/08/08/82de9980-7c4c-11e7-a669-b400c5c7e1cc_story.html?utm_term=.43fc540dc3bc



When you think of something as mundane as laundry, you don’t think of the gold-plated Trump Organization. Yet the business of selling multimillion-dollar condominiums — a sector where the Trump name looms large — is deeply entangled with a certain kind of washing. Money laundering.

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But few laundries can match the efficiency of an eight-figure luxury condominium in New York or San Francisco or South Florida. It works like this: The holder of a great deal of tainted money sets up a shell company, funds it through the shadow banking system, then uses the shell to purchase exclusive property. Voila! No one knows where the money came from or who the buyer might be. But when the condo is eventually resold, the proceeds emerge from the spin cycle as clean as Eliot Ness.

Given the scrutiny special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is likely to bring to Trump Tower in coming months, the good news for the president is that this unsavory customer service is completely legal in most cases. Thanks to the lobbying power of the real estate industry, efforts by national and international law enforcement to crack down on corrupt money flows have scarcely touched the condo trade. Unlike bankers, who are required by law to be diligent about the sources of incoming money, condo developers and real estate agents don’t have to ask where the cabbage comes from for their all-cash sales to hidden buyers.

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At the Trump International, on the southwest corner of Central Park, the Times noted that more than half of all condo sales were to hidden buyers. A more recent study by USA Today found that the number of veiled transactions involving the Trump Organization took a big jump as the boss man’s political fortunes rose. Since Trump captured the Republican nomination last summer, the share of hidden buyers of his branded properties has climbed to 70 percent, the newspaper found.
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Money Laundering as the crime to bring down Donald Trump .... (Original Post) kwassa Aug 2017 OP
"Follow the money"... PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #1
It Takes Two To Launder Money.... global1 Aug 2017 #2
but if it's legal.... renate Aug 2017 #3
Trump would be an accomplice to international criminals. Russian oligarchs hiding their cash. kwassa Aug 2017 #5
You can do legal actions that, when done for the purposes of fooling the IRS, become illegal. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #22
My assumption is the sale of the condo legal MiddleClass Aug 2017 #33
File under ... yup Caliman73 Aug 2017 #4
The cover of the September New Republic. Jim__ Aug 2017 #6
Great article. dalton99a Aug 2017 #9
not going to happen .... Kathy M Aug 2017 #7
Why do you think NY AG Schneiderman wouldn't prosecute him for that? pnwmom Aug 2017 #18
How do we know AG Schneiderman is going to prosecute a certain person ...... We dont till Kathy M Aug 2017 #19
Why did you flatly say, "not going to happen"? You either think DT is innocent of money-laundering pnwmom Aug 2017 #20
Not answering your pointed questions ..... I happen to have my own opinions ...not crazy about Kathy M Aug 2017 #23
This is a Washington Post article. Articles in the New York Times, in Newsweek, pnwmom Aug 2017 #24
an article talked about money laaundering ..... okay ... sigh ..... There are a several Kathy M Aug 2017 #28
I didn't accuse him and neither did the OP. But you said "not going to happen." pnwmom Aug 2017 #29
I was just thinking that Trump might go down just like Al Capone. procon Aug 2017 #8
Money laundering won't bring down Pence and the collusion crowd though. Lars39 Aug 2017 #10
not Pence, but Ivanka and Jared .... kwassa Aug 2017 #11
Yep, but not McConnell and Ryan. Lars39 Aug 2017 #12
That is an entirely separate battle. kwassa Aug 2017 #13
McConnell and Ryan could go down for Russia-related reasons. pnwmom Aug 2017 #26
And that's why McConnell and Ryan shot down Obama about releasing Russian involvement MiddleClass Aug 2017 #34
Pence could go down with Flynn, since Pence hired him despite knowing pnwmom Aug 2017 #25
Forgot about that angle. Lars39 Aug 2017 #27
Trump faces real exposure for money laundering Gothmog Aug 2017 #14
the lsos is a repeat offender as far as laundering Russian money goes randr Aug 2017 #15
Prior to getting Mueller as special prosecutor TxVietVet Aug 2017 #16
Russian mob is evil Johnny2X2X Aug 2017 #17
They make the Mafia look like the Knights of the Round Table. argyl Aug 2017 #21
Trump doesn't care about little girls. Blue_true Aug 2017 #31
I read that all he had to do was cash their checks for properties, say nothing and walk away eleny Aug 2017 #30
This story perfectly intersects with Paul Manafort type corruption MiddleClass Aug 2017 #32

global1

(25,252 posts)
2. It Takes Two To Launder Money....
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 04:32 PM
Aug 2017

will Mueller also catch the other parties in the transactions to launder money after he nabs Trump? Will they go to jail as well?

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
5. Trump would be an accomplice to international criminals. Russian oligarchs hiding their cash.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 04:41 PM
Aug 2017

Just the publicity would kill him.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
22. You can do legal actions that, when done for the purposes of fooling the IRS, become illegal.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 07:14 PM
Aug 2017

One crime, off the top of my head, is "structuring" - the act of structuring transactions to avoid reporting.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
33. My assumption is the sale of the condo legal
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 11:49 AM
Aug 2017

Money laundering, "fraud" is highly illegal, conspiracy to commit fraud also highly illegal

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
4. File under ... yup
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 04:37 PM
Aug 2017

"When you think of something as mundane as laundry, you don’t think of the gold-plated Trump Organization. Yet the business of selling multimillion-dollar condominiums — a sector where the Trump name looms large — is deeply entangled with a certain kind of washing. Money laundering."


The two sentences above are quite interesting. I know they are set up sentences. I do that when I write papers for school. The funny thing is when I think of Trump and his history, I totally think of Money Laundering, racketeering, and any number of other crimes involved in the construction business. The reason the Mafia was so wrapped into the construction, concrete, sanitation, and other businesses is because it is so easy to funnel money through for nefarious purposes.

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
6. The cover of the September New Republic.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 05:10 PM
Aug 2017
?w=700&q=60

Craig Unger's article is mostly about money laundering.

dalton99a

(81,515 posts)
9. Great article.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 05:16 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:15 PM - Edit history (1)





By Sater’s account, in sworn testimony, he was very tight with Trump. He flew to Colorado with him, accompanied Donald Jr. and Ivanka on a trip to Moscow at Trump’s invitation, and met with Trump’s inner circle “constantly.” In Trump Tower, he often dropped by Trump’s office to pitch business ideas—“just me and him.”

Trump seems unable to recall any of this. “Felix Sater, boy, I have to even think about it,” he told the Associated Press in 2015. Two years earlier, testifying in a video deposition, Trump took the same line. If Sater “were sitting in the room right now,” he swore under oath, “I really wouldn’t know what he looked like.”

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
18. Why do you think NY AG Schneiderman wouldn't prosecute him for that?
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:42 PM
Aug 2017

Or do you think DT wasn't involved in money-laundering?

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
19. How do we know AG Schneiderman is going to prosecute a certain person ...... We dont till
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:57 PM
Aug 2017

it happens .

Your second question ... we do not know ...... just because something is in the paper or on twitter does not make it so

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. Why did you flatly say, "not going to happen"? You either think DT is innocent of money-laundering
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 07:00 PM
Aug 2017

or that Schneiderman wouldn't or couldn't build a case against him.

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
23. Not answering your pointed questions ..... I happen to have my own opinions ...not crazy about
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 07:46 PM
Aug 2017

following crowds that have the likes of Louise Mench and Claud .... where this stuff started

would rather work with reality

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
24. This is a Washington Post article. Articles in the New York Times, in Newsweek,
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 08:35 PM
Aug 2017

in Politico, and many other MSM sources have also talked about Trump and money-laundering.

This has nothing to do with Mensch and Taylor -- except for you giving them the credit for being the first to discuss it. (Though they weren't. MSM articles from last summer talked about Trump and money-laundering.)

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
28. an article talked about money laaundering ..... okay ... sigh ..... There are a several
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:04 PM
Aug 2017

different investigations going on ... right ? Why accuse someone of being guilty of something till investigations are done ...... When did our country change .......... if it did thanks for the heads up

good night

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
29. I didn't accuse him and neither did the OP. But you said "not going to happen."
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:15 PM
Aug 2017

You were the one deciding in advance that he would NOT be charged with/convicted of money-laundering.

I do think it is likely he has been involved in money-laundering, and that Mueller will get to the bottom of it. We already know that at least one of his casinos accepted a $10million fine for violating regulations pertaining to money-laundering. The fine was paid after he sold the casino, but covered a period of time in which he still was a part owner.

procon

(15,805 posts)
8. I was just thinking that Trump might go down just like Al Capone.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 05:11 PM
Aug 2017

Mueller would be the equivalent of Eliot Ness who went after Capone on alcohol related offences during the Prohibition era. Like Trump, Capone was a popular public celebrity and there wasn't much support for imprisoning the guy who provided booze to thirsty customers. Ness decided it would be easier to convict Capone of tax evasion, and he did.

Maybe Mueller will focus on trying Trump for money laundering if he thinks the Russian collusion is going to be more difficult to prosecute.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
13. That is an entirely separate battle.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 05:53 PM
Aug 2017

I am grateful that GOP moderates and the Freedom Caucus can't agree on anything, so major GOP legislation on anything big is impossible. If they can't do health care, they can't do anything like tax reform. Right now, they have gridlocked themselves.

The debt ceiling fight will be the next big battle, and will reveal much.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
26. McConnell and Ryan could go down for Russia-related reasons.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 09:54 PM
Aug 2017

Paul Ryan was recorded on tape laughing about Russian money funding Republicans, and saying that talk about it was to remain "in the family."

And there's this:

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/03/tangled-web-connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns

Party loyalty is often cited as the reason that GOP leaders have not been more outspoken in their criticism of President Donald Trump and his refusal to condemn Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election. Yet there may be another reason that top Republicans have not been more vocal in their condemnation. Perhaps it's because they have their own links to the Russian oligarchy that they would prefer go unnoticed.

Donald Trump and the political action committees for Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, John Kasich and John McCain accepted $7.35 million in contributions from a Ukrainian-born oligarch who is the business partner of two of Russian president Vladimir Putin's favorite oligarchs and a Russian government bank.

During the 2015-2016 election season, Ukrainian-born billionaire Leonard "Len" Blavatnik contributed $6.35 million to leading Republican candidates and incumbent senators. Mitch McConnell was the top recipient of Blavatnik's donations, collecting $2.5 million for his GOP Senate Leadership Fund under the names of two of Blavatnik's holding companies, Access Industries and AI Altep Holdings, according to Federal Election Commission documents and OpenSecrets.org.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. Pence could go down with Flynn, since Pence hired him despite knowing
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 09:53 PM
Aug 2017

he was an unregistered foreign agent.

randr

(12,412 posts)
15. the lsos is a repeat offender as far as laundering Russian money goes
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:10 PM
Aug 2017

His enterprises have paid more in fines for laundering than most of his minions will ever make in their lives.

TxVietVet

(1,905 posts)
16. Prior to getting Mueller as special prosecutor
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:34 PM
Aug 2017

I remember someone saying that tRump had been laundering Russian illegal funds because of his bankruptcies and his treatment of contractors and creditors. He screwed all of them.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
17. Russian mob is evil
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 06:38 PM
Aug 2017

People don't realize how terrible they are. Child sex trafficking. Slavery. Drug trafficking. Murder.

These people are monsters and anyone who helps them is guilty too. Trump helps them launder money they get from kidnapoing little girls and selling them into slavery.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. Trump doesn't care about little girls.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:31 PM
Aug 2017

You are talking about a guy that allegedly raped 13 year old girls.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
30. I read that all he had to do was cash their checks for properties, say nothing and walk away
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:19 PM
Aug 2017

Say nothing but enjoy the largess.

He got so used to standing on is father's shoulders or getting bailouts from dad Trump and then the U.S. lenders that he couldn't pass up the Russian money when he ran out of options. My husband asserted that Trump would curl up and die if he had to live like the rest of us. Life without golden toilets was unthinkable.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
32. This story perfectly intersects with Paul Manafort type corruption
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 11:43 AM
Aug 2017

Corrupt Russian oligarch money is used to secure a multimillion dollar mortgage that Manafort uses to buy, wait for it, luxury condos. Paul Manafort worked for Russian backed Ukraine dictator for decades, and the only record is Manafort owes tens of millions to Vladimir's bank for mortgages.

Obviously, the quid pro quo payoff, is the ownership of multimillion dollar (Donald Trump Enterprises?) Condos.

Getting around the law cannot be that simple. As sale of said condos is a windfall for Manafort and Trump

Mueller as a whole, has a mess to untangle

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