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(27,159 posts)ck4829
(35,079 posts)White, male, heterosexual, working class, etc. When people attempt to reach out to me, it's not called "identity politics", but I don't feel pampered at all... I've never been more anxious in my life actually, I've got a nephew who is medically vulnerable and I have loved ones who are in the groups that are fun to hate: GLBTQ, Muslim, refugee, etc; stop with the pandering and let's start working on out-organizing the people who agree to every single one of these images simultaneously.
So K&R, this is the dose of reality we need but not necessarily want.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)never wants you to forget that if you should suffer from erectile dysfunction, you'll be able to get all the boner pills you want from your government healthcare plan.
There, I bet you feel MUCH better now, don't you?
gordianot
(15,242 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)we've had some clinkers in the choir, or some trolls hiding under the risers. I'm all for big tent, but not for rights to person being taken away, voter rights being stolen, or civil rights being denied. We are Democrats. We don't do this.
Aristus
(66,436 posts)It's how you get them to sing...
dlk
(11,574 posts)The challenging question is: Which of their own personal essential rights men would be willing to forfeit in the name of party unity?
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)But 51% of White women did not, it seems that I care more about their reproductive rights and health care than they do.
No only would I not accept a deal where Republican legislators got to decide on their access to medical treatment for my body, I would not accept a deal where Republican legislators got to decide on their access to medical treatment for anyone else's body.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Good to see men step up.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)LisaM
(27,820 posts)A minor distinction, but important, I think.
Thank you LisaM. Very important distinction.
dembotoz
(16,820 posts)H2O Man
(73,581 posts)wryter2000
(46,076 posts)Policy is one thing. Basic human rights is another.
Solly Mack
(90,779 posts)nolabear
(41,990 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,685 posts)With the key help of a couple of Repub women senators, they were fought off this time. I want more Dems in Congress for the next round.
Lars39
(26,110 posts)they might understand. Younger men, too.
Grins
(7,226 posts)Year ago, after seeing the endless streams of legislation coming from Republicans (and far too many Democrats), I tried to think of a simple sentence that would address the role any legislature should have in the regulation of health care if I were president or in Congress. I came up with:
"What goes on between a patient and a doctor is exclusive to the patient and the doctor and shall not be abridged."
A third party can have no say in the matter. At all.
Both men and women have the common sense to know their own bodies, health and, with their doctor, can come up with whatever is needed. If the patient does not like the remedy, they are free to go to another doctor. In fact, doctors frequently tell their patients they are free and urged to get second opinions. For "small government" Conservatives, that should be knee-jerk instinctive.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 10, 2017, 08:35 PM - Edit history (1)
It looks to me like some are deriving far too much pleasure from threatening women's rights and by extension their lives. Why would I want to discuss or cooperate with anyone who treats my life rights as q pawn in a power play, who treats my life with contempt? I will not cooperate with them or discuss the issue further. I fill fight, by any means necessary. Let them try to reduce us to second class citizenship. They won't do it in our party, not and expect to win a fucking thing. Let them take their contempt of women to the GOP.
niyad
(113,510 posts)an anti-choice dem?
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)I could not call myself a liberal man if I would do otherwise.
Aristus
(66,436 posts)candidates are right-wing concern-trolls. Even if they aren't, they carry just as little weight with me as if they were.
Orrex
(63,219 posts)CURSE YOU, WORKPLACE FILTERS!!!!!1!
Bladewire
(381 posts)We need to fix that. Electing more women is the key to us evolving to be a stronger nation.
Women are the key decision makers in the majority of American homes, common sense tells us this should be the case in government as well. Women's health is a female issue. Men's health is a male issue, common sense tells us lawmakers of the same sex should be making policy on those prospective issues.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)"Liberal men that think women should compromise on abortion: Can you name a civil right of yours you'd be willing to put on bargaining table?"
Link to tweet
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)For argument's sake, let's say the modern women's movement has been beating their collective head against this wall for 50 years. This is as far as we've come? It's disgraceful....yet, so 'par for the course.'
I never had a moment's doubt about equality, even when I was a little kid. One of the smartest kids in the grade was in my class - Caroline Southcott - and the second-best baseball player in the school was Beth Parkinson. Clearly, they made an impression on me, because I remember them from Grades 1 through 3.
The point being, one has to be taught this "pecking order" paradigm, and we've wasted untold human potential already. Let's not hold our species back, especially now, while we're navigating a treacherous part of our existence.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)Like this? So I go to the voting booth and I see two candidates, both of whom, let's say, believe vasectomies are wrong. I am supposed to what? Not vote for either?
I think there may be two different issues here. I can be a liberal male who believes in a woman's right to choose, but when I go to vote and in theory neither candidate advocates that, I feel like I can still pick one and not give up my belief in choice. I don't think not voting helps anything. One of those two candidates is going to end up winning and people died to give me the right to help make that choice.
I can be an advocate for Choice and do everything I can to try to make sure a scenario like this doesn't happen, including criticizing my Party or anyone else who is anti-choice, but IF that scenario in the voting booth does occur, I feel like I should cast a vote anyway. By that time the battle has been lost for that day and it will have to be fought again tomorrow.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)society. Because the ones who want to back burner this- they're not so receptive from hearing from us women. You can help with that. Too few men do.
niyad
(113,510 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)MontanaMama
(23,334 posts)K&R.