On FB just now

[Orrex]

Enabler: The people leading that rally in Charlottesville this weekend were unmitigated assholes, but historical vandalism is a real thing. Take a stroll through Europe, and you'll see statues of despotic monarchs, treasures looted from other nations, and remarkably well-maintained concentration camps. The past happened - good, bad, and ugly - and we owe it to future generations to preserve its artifacts.

Me: Take photos of them, and then melt them down into monuments to civil rights leaders.
Or let some rich, racist asshole buy them and display them on private property. They should not be in public spaces and certainly shouldn't be maintained by public funding.

Enabler: The Pyramids of Giza were built to honor men far worse than Robert E. Lee - by slave labor no less. Bulldoze them, too?


So watch out for this tactic: we should preserve the confederate statues because the pyramids.

[OhZone]

1. just keep them in a museum -

Or private property.

[greymattermom]

2. Just curious

what do you think about the Confederate cemeteries? Should those be dug up?
http://www.mariettaconfederatecemetery.org

[Orrex]

8. The dead in them should never be mistaken for veterans, at the very least

And the cemeteries shouldn't be maintained by public funding.

Does Germany maintain shrines to fallen Nazis? Do they maintain Nazi graveyards with public funding?


What do you think should be done with those Confederate cemeteries?

[Jake Stern]

32. Actually they do

Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge (German War Graves Commission) runs cemeteries for German soldiers of World War I and World War II with one third of the funding coming from the federal and state governments.

[Orrex]

33. Wow. Didn't know that.

Not being snarky here, but are they celebrated, as Confederate soldiers are celebrated in America?

[Jake Stern]

34. Certainly not celebrated but publicly funded

Before the commission got up and running the graves were maintained by the country where they fell (I.e., France, Belgium, Italy, etc.)

[Orrex]

35. Very interesting. Thanks for this info.

The difference, I think, is that the Confederate states want to enshrine public reverence of these fallen enemy soldiers, whereas Germany preserves the memory as a reminder of the horrors of the past.


Thanks again.

[Squinch]

9. Stupid argument of the day award! You win!

[Foamfollower]

3. The pyramids were built by free people who were paid for their labor.

IT is a lie to say they were built by slave labor. Nothing could be further from the truth.

They were among the first public works projects in human history as a way to keep people busy when the fertile fields of the Nile cold not be worked.

[haveahart]

7. But, but the Bible...?

I really do not think, and I will go back and read it again, that anywhere in the Bible it talks about slaves building the pyramids.

[Foamfollower]

16. The time period in the Bible of Jewish bondage in Egypt was actuall at least 2 thousand years...

after the pyramids had been built.

[Orrex]

19. IT'S A MIRACLE!

I thought about going down that road with him, but it was an enabler posting on a friend's page, and I didn't want to clog his feed.

[GoCubsGo]

22. Thank the movie "The Ten Commandments" for the misinformation.

IIRC, there is a very notable part of the movie featuring Jewish slaves building the pyramids. Millions of people consider that film a documentary, rather than a Hollywood interpretation of a biblical story, sadly.

[Foamfollower]

23. Actually, they show that the pyramids were already old in that movie.

The movie shows the slaves building a city for Ramses II. Yul Brynner actually has a line in the movie that his monuments will live as long as the pyramids, inferring they already existed for thousands of years.

Ignorant people who watched the movie misinterpreted things to believe their preconceived notions that the Israelites were building the pyramids.

[Orrex]

10. I made that same point further down in the exchange!

I didn't copy that part here because it was tangential, but that was my first thought as well.

[haveahart]

18. One little confirmation,

https://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/12/egypt-new-find-shows-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids

"One popular myth that Egyptologists say was perpetrated in part by Hollywood movies held that ancient Israelite slaves — ancestors of the Jewish people — built the pyramids.

Amihai Mazar, professor at the Institute of Archaeology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, says that myth stemmed from an erroneous claim by former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, on a visit to Egypt in 1977, that Jews built the pyramids.

"No Jews built the pyramids because Jews didn't exist at the period when the pyramids were built," Mazar said."

[ProudLib72]

4. I didn't know these dumbshits built their own statues

Is it true? Did Robert E Lee suddenly decide to go around erecting statues of himself? I don't think so. It was the assholes who loved and admired the twat who erected his statue. The same can not be said about the people who built the pyramids.

[Orrex]

29. You know, that's a terrific point

Now that you mention it, it's so obvious that I don't know how I didn't see it.

Nice!

[ck4829]

5. If it is about history, ask Enabler how come there's no Nat Turner State Park in any of these states

Where are the statues of Lee surrendering to Grant?

[roamer65]

6. Fuck them. This is America, not Egypt.

We can chart a different path.

[Orrex]

11. I suggested that he journey to Egypt to offer his helpful suggestion

He seemed to think that my suggestion was sarcastic.

[SoCalNative]

12. My answer is

get rid of all of them. Traitors who committed treason against this country aren't worthy of statues celebrating it.

[Orrex]

15. I agree completely

Melt them down into something useful.

[brush]

31. That's it exactly. These enablers avoid the fact that they were traitors who deserve no monuments...

much less public-funded ones.

[HAB911]

13. simpleminded Whataboutism

[Orrex]

14. "Whataboutism" I love that term.

It's so wonderfully on-point and snarky that it serves as a great deflating of the "yeah, but" crowd.

[BainsBane]

17. Seen on JPR

They are just like the Crips and the Bloods, only white.

[L. Coyote]

20. Stupid. Some nobody thinks they know why the pyramids were built?

Everyone knows it was ALIENS

[Orrex]

21. Maybe he thinks aliens built the Confederate statues

ILLEGAL aliens!!!!!!1!

[HAB911]

24. Grain storage, duh

[BootinUp]

26. Lol. Jinx

[Orrex]

28. LOL!

#grainsurgeon

[BootinUp]

25. For storing grain! Duh!

[nolabels]

27. The monuments of Giza are ironic in that they built of the rock monuments from sediments.......

From a great shallow ocean hundred million years older than them

[Orrex]

30. My sediments exactly

Heigh-o!