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Oh fuck. North Korea moving missiles now. (Original Post) PearliePoo2 Aug 2017 OP
Satellites detected movement. nt PearliePoo2 Aug 2017 #1
Linky? Nt PCIntern Aug 2017 #2
CNN just led with it. PearliePoo2 Aug 2017 #3
Has there even been confirmation that NK has nukes small enough to be installed on ICBMs? JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #4
Here is CNN's international correspondent on Twitter ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #5
They seem insistent on giving the US a free pass to turning their army into ashes. Oneironaut Aug 2017 #6
There doesn't seem to be much point in it. lpbk2713 Aug 2017 #7
North Korea must feel like they aren't getting enough attention after Charlottesville FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #8
You all know the Russians are helping them right? maryellen99 Aug 2017 #9
Kim has got to understand that we are ruled by a nut NightWatcher Aug 2017 #10
Several million comes no where near the worst catastrophe in history. EX500rider Aug 2017 #14
Did drumf head back to D.C. to hide in a bunker? rainbow4321 Aug 2017 #11
I don't think any bunker can withstand a direct hit. Flaleftist Aug 2017 #13
Cheyenne Mountain Complex most likely could... EX500rider Aug 2017 #15
I am a nuclear bomb ICBM geek Saboburns Aug 2017 #12
If the Pakistani's figured it out, I think the N Korean's will too. EX500rider Aug 2017 #16
Actually the Pakistani's don't have ICBMs Saboburns Aug 2017 #17
The Pakistani's have some of theirs on IRBM's, that still requires a small warhead. EX500rider Aug 2017 #18
Yeah Saboburns Aug 2017 #19
 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
4. Has there even been confirmation that NK has nukes small enough to be installed on ICBMs?
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 05:56 PM
Aug 2017

It's one thing to have Nukes. NK definitely has nukes. They also have ICBMs (in testing phases).

It's entirely another to have a nuclear warhead miniaturized to the point of being able to be carried as a payload on an ICBM.

Oneironaut

(5,524 posts)
6. They seem insistent on giving the US a free pass to turning their army into ashes.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 06:00 PM
Aug 2017

Kim Jong Un is either a troll or the biggest dumbass on earth.

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
7. There doesn't seem to be much point in it.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 06:06 PM
Aug 2017



Not if our eyes in the sky can see every move they make.
But Kim is always full of little surprises like this.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
8. North Korea must feel like they aren't getting enough attention after Charlottesville
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 06:09 PM
Aug 2017

They always pull stunts like this to get attention with the end game of a UN negotiation giving them aid/food.

Everyone should just ignore them.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
10. Kim has got to understand that we are ruled by a nut
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 06:12 PM
Aug 2017

we will vaporize him. Kim's "legacy" is that he will be amongst the several million killed in the worst catastrophe in the history of the world.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
14. Several million comes no where near the worst catastrophe in history.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:22 PM
Aug 2017

WWII had around 60 million dead, which was about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion).
That would be around 225 million of our current 7.5 billion.

rainbow4321

(9,974 posts)
11. Did drumf head back to D.C. to hide in a bunker?
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 07:32 PM
Aug 2017

Just read how he just returned early to D.C. "from his vacation".
You know damn well he didn't return because of the Nazi terrorist attack...

Doubt there are nuke bunkers at the golf resort. Have all the Trump klan returned/arrived in DC?

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
13. I don't think any bunker can withstand a direct hit.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 08:05 PM
Aug 2017

From what I have read, they have not demonstrated the ability to successfully hit the US with an ICBM, anyway. If they could, the safest place would probably be in the sky on AF One.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
12. I am a nuclear bomb ICBM geek
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 07:55 PM
Aug 2017

First, there is no proof that NK can shrink a nuke to fit it on a missile. This is something that took the US 12 years to achieve using the smartest people on the planet and hundreeds of millions of dollars to achieve. And dozens of nuclear tests.

Secondly, there is no proof that they have got a re-entry vehicle for a nuclear bomb. This also took 10 years, the smartest people on earth, hundreds of millions of dollars, and dozens of re-entry missile tests. Re-entry ain't easy, in fact it is very, very difficult. No suitable re-entry vehicle, no boom at the end.

NK is not going to launch a nuclear missile anywhere. It would gaurentee, guarentee their destruction.

If you want to worry, worry about NK's thousands of good old fashioned artillery pieces that have been lined up along the DMZ for 60 years. Now those can reach 20 million South Koreans with just a pull of a lanyard.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
16. If the Pakistani's figured it out, I think the N Korean's will too.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:29 PM
Aug 2017

They did set off their 1st nuke 11 years ago. But you are right a untested nose cone/re-entry vehicle will be iffy.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
17. Actually the Pakistani's don't have ICBMs
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 11:04 PM
Aug 2017

Pakistan has nuclear bombs yes. But like NK they do NOT have the capability to launch one atop a very powerful rocket.

India does have that capability.

The only nations who have nuclear ICBMs are US, Russia, France, Israel, India, and China. Its harder than you think to launch a large payload into space, fly it halfway around the world, re-enter into the atmosphere without coming apart ala Columbia, and have it land where you want it to.

Not even Great Britain has these weapons, they use US ICBMs and SLBMs (Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles).

Not to mention the difference in orders of magnitude between smallish fission weapons like NK has, and thermonuclear bombs.

Its all just bluster. The US has 6,000 thermonuclear weapons we can land on any part of the Earth's surface in 40 minutes. And the only way the US would launch one is if somebody launched one first.

NK has the capability to kill a lot of people in South Korea very, very quickly. But it won't be by using nuclear weapons. It will be with 155mm artillery pieces that can reach into Seoul right now.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
18. The Pakistani's have some of theirs on IRBM's, that still requires a small warhead.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 11:31 PM
Aug 2017
As of 2011, Pakistan possesses a wide variety of nuclear capable medium range ballistic missiles with ranges up to 2500 km.[182] Pakistan also possesses nuclear tipped Babur cruise missiles with ranges up to 700 km. In April 2012, Pakistan launched a Hatf-4 Shaheen-1A, said to be capable of carrying a nuclear warhead designed to evade missile-defense systems.[183] The Babur cruise missile range can also be extended to 1000 km or more. These land-based missiles are controlled by Army Strategic Forces Command of Pakistan Army.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Infrastructure

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
19. Yeah
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 11:38 PM
Aug 2017

IRBMs don't actually reach space altitude so no re-entry vehicle needed. If NK is dtermined to strike something with a nuke they can put it on a bomber and fly it there.

To be classified as an ICBM it needs to travel at least 5,500 miles.

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