Did the Nazis have a permit for their torch march on the Univ of Virginia grounds at night?

[muriel_volestrangler]

It seems extremely unlikely to me - I'd think any kind of noisy demonstration at night would be unlikely to get a permit, let alone one bound to attract opposition and more noise. Plus it was on university grounds as far as I can tell, not public ones.

Anyone know?

[SHRED]

1. You can bring fire to a demonstration?

Who knew?

[MineralMan]

2. I don't know. It would have been issued

by the University, I imagine. There was a permit for the next day's events, though.

[rufus dog]

3. Muriel makes a great point

The shitheads are making a HUGE point about having a permit and that the counter protesters didn't. They are trying to come across as law abiding citizens while playing up the dirty, leftist, cop hating, bullshit. In fact they DIDN'T have a permit to march on UofV and one of theirs is a murderous pussy!

[MineralMan]

4. Yes. A permit is meaningless unless there are rules connected with

that permit that prohibit weapons and other such crap. In another thread, I posted a link to the Charlottesville rules for demonstrations. Nowhere is anything like that prohibited in those rules. The rules are naive and based on the idea that such demonstrations will be peaceful in nature. That idea is no longer valid, so cities need to recast their rules and require adherence to them.

http://www.charlottesville.org/home/showdocument?id=5160

Where there are no rules, it's very difficult to enforce anything much.

[workinclasszero]

5. From what I have read

They had a permit for Saturday at noon for a rally at Emancipation park.

None as far as I know for the night nazi torch march where they surrounded a church and menaced the people inside. The riot they started was on the morning well before their permit started at noon and it wasn't confined to the park area either.


Aug. 11

White nationalists holding tiki torches marched through the University of Virginia campus in Charlottesville ahead of the so-called "Unite the Right" rally, a gathering of white supremacists staged in part to demand protection for the statue of Lee.

The men chanted "white lives matter," "you will not replace us," and the Nazi-associated phrase "blood and soil." Some white nationalists brawled with counter-protesters at the scene of the rally.

Police arrived on campus, declared it an unlawful assembly, and ordered the crowds to disperse. But the skirmishes, as well as images of the marching that were posted on social media, contributed to an atmosphere of tension that opened up into violence the next day.

Aug. 12: Morning

Although the "Unite the Right" rally was scheduled to start at noon, violence between white nationalists and counter-protesters began in the morning.

State police reported injuries, and soon after, the city declared an unlawful assembly at Emancipation Park.

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe declared a state of emergency shortly before noon.

Aug. 12: Afternoon

At 1:42 p.m., an Ohio man allegedly rammed a car into a crowd of people who were demonstrating against the white nationalist gathering.

About an hour and a half later, Signer confirmed in a tweet that at least one person had died in the day’s violence. It later emerged that a 32-year-old woman, Heather Heyer, was killed when the car hit the crowd. At least 19 others were injured.

http://www.kmbz.com/articles/timeline-what-led-violence-unfolded-charlottesville

[salin]

6. No, they didn't.

UVa was caught off guard.

[obamanut2012]

8. UVA is a progressive, diverse university -- you are quite wrong

The Nazis chose UVa and Cville for a reason. The amount of kids not "homogenous student body from Virginia" is very high. Most kids don't care about the sports or participate in Greek life in any way, and actually think the latter is stupid. The area is as blue and progressive as Baltimore and DC. And, it is as prestigious as any urban private school -- it is a public ivy, and teh student body are overwhelmingly studious, focused kids.

I very much doubt your guide was racist in any way during the tour, your prejudices against that area is very obvious.

I really am exhausted with all these digs at both UVA and Cville. THE NAZIS CHOSE BOTH FOR THEIR HATE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WELCOME THERE

[Books_Tea_Alone]

9. Sorry-respectfully disagree

I lived in Virginia for many years in Fairfax county and know the state well. We were told (at the time) that one out of every three students belonged to a fraternity or sorority. Seventy percent of the student body comes from Virginia, which is high and also appropriate for a state school.

The incident involving the tour guide did indeed happen and was reported to admissions not only by myself but others on the tour. I do not want to disclose the specific details as that student may still be enrolled on campus and he was spoken to by admissions about it. He stated he did not mean any harm but the comment was stunning to the group of both parents and students alike.

I really take offense to your comment that I had a prejudice against Virginia/ Charlottesville. I found the city to be hospitable and charming. We also visited Virginia Tech & William and Mary during that trip and I loved the vibe on both of those campuses.

[Books_Tea_Alone]

10. Also agree that city was caught off guard

Watching it live I could not imagine why these violent Nazi protestors were not arrested. Especially after the march with torches the night before- local law enforcement knew how many had assembled and that they were armed.
As it was happening it was reported that the police were using pepper spray against these vile scum. It will be interesting to see going forward how quicky the police act to shut these protests down by making mass arrests (Boston/Seattle this weekend)