*****BREAKING***** Car terrorist's mom called 9-11 on him nine times between 2010-2013.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

PER CNN

[Sanity Claws]

1. What happened after 2013?

Clearly he had known violent tendencies.
Has anyone heard why he was drummed out of the army so quickly?

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2. Temper, possibly bi-polar.

[Weekend Warrior]

5. Please don't do that.

There is already enough of a shitty stigma attached to those with bi-polar disorder without internet psychologists diagnosing terrorists with it without merit.

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8. Sorry, it was reported. His mother said he go off his meds and . . .

[Weekend Warrior]

11. She said he was bi-polar?

The guy was fond of Nazi's. That has been stated by people who knew him. That mindset along fosters hate. Not to say their aren't diagnosable stability issues.

[TexasBushwhacker]

9. Actually, he told his teacher he was diagnosed schizophrenic

And took anti-psychotic medication. But it's possible that was a misduagnosis or he quit taking his meds.

[Not Ruth]

3. Probably meds

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. He moved out of her home?

[Lee-Lee]

6. Like I posted in another thread

This is just yet another case of so, so many where all the signs were there but nobody did anything.

Parents are the worst for this. They know best their child has a problem, but they refuse to take the steps really needed to get the child help they really need because they don't want them "labeled" or "in the system" when that is exactly what they need.

School administrators and teachers are almost as bad- so many times they see a problem but is easier to just do nothing and pass the problem on to the next person.

[lapfog_1]

7. According to another news report

he was sent to counseling and put on medication (what medication wasn't indicated).

[LanternWaste]

10. How do we know what the parents did or did not do to the degree of absolute certainty?

What specifically leads you to allege relevant knowledge that what the parents did or did not do to a degree of absolute certainty?

Or is it merely a simplistic guess to validate the easy answer we all crave?

[KT2000]

12. Oh wait -

We don't know what the parents did or didn't do but believe me - they are not able to do much. Mental illness in this country has been turned into a police problem if the person does not agree to treatment. Until there is a threat to life there is not much anyone can do to force a person into treatment.
Parents Of mentally ill kids who demonstrate aggressive behavior are most often left to their own devices until the worst happens.

Also - to get help and treatment, the insured have to get permission from the insurance company or if there is no insurance they may have to get on a waiting list. They know about being turned away for help. They also know that many people living on the streets are someone's kids who have mental illness with nowhere else to go.

This is a huge problem in this country - more complex that blaming parents for not doing anything.

[Lee-Lee]

16. Parents can do a ton until the child is 18

After that their hands are very tied.

I've been there done that as the deputy who had to respond to so many cases like this. Parents refuse to acknowledge the severity of the issue and just run a cycle of letting things get out of control, calling the police, saying they will take steps to get proper help, then backing away from that when things get calmer, then repeat.

A teenager who's mother has had to call the police 9 times including for assaulting her with a knife needs serious, inpatient style care. He was obviously a danger to others then just like he continued to be. While he was under 18 his mother would have had he ability to have him properly diagnosed and put into proper treatenent but she obviously did not.

One reason it's obvious she never sought the proper level of treatment is because that would have come with an actual diagnosis. An actual dignosis on his records would have meant he was barred from enlisting in the military. But clearly he was able to enlist and then was quickly rejected.


I'll bet he never saw the proper psychiatric help or got the proper care but rather just saw "therapists" that are generally worthless for real psychiatric issues because mom didn't want to admit the problem and didn't want him "labeled" with a diagnosis. Like I said, I've seen it play out so many times...

[KT2000]

22. it takes a huge amount of work

and constant surveillance to keep a teenager on their drugs or participating in a program. Not everyone is going to do that work. They may run away, hang out with their crowd, some get into drugs etc. Parents may be relived the source of their problems is gone. Parents who find "care" as in boarding situations may find out later their child was sexually abused.

The whole system is useless because as a nation, it is not a priority. The capitalist system has winners and losers and the mentally ill are the losers, hence, throwaway people.

[hunter]

24. What's "proper help?"

Even with fierce, knowledgeable advocates it's difficult to find "proper help," much less find a way to pay for it or jump through the hoops required to get insurance companies or government programs to pay for help. I've got some experience with that, personal, and as an advocate.

My own psychiatrist certainly isn't doing it for the money or prestige, and he's got a three month waiting list for people who are far more messed up than I've ever been, even in my off-his-meds states.

Lucky me at my very worst I'm not so much a danger to others as I am to myself. But there's a reason I've got all those scars and stories to tell.

My parents knew little of my troubled adolescence and young adulthood. They didn't know I'd been "asked" to take time off from university twice, they didn't know the times I'd been living in my car, they didn't know the time I was living in the garden shed of a disturbed Vietnam War vet who'd inherited his house, they didn't know that the campus and local police considered me an affable and amusing diversion from their usual sordid graveyard shift duties. I hid lots of things.

There's another thread about a racist who tried to excuse his racist blather claiming he was drunk. Alcohol or mental illness is no excuse for racism, but it may expose it. Racism is something kids are taught, something they pick up from family and community. It's not an inherent trait. Any racist who tries to distance themselves from racist horrors by blaming the drunkenness or mental illness of the perpetrator is being disingenuous.

[pansypoo53219]

14. the SYSTEM ties parents hands a lot tho. hard to get 'adult' kids

into institutions these days.

[FSogol]

15. So, you are saying it is the parents and school administrator/teacher's fault?

[Lee-Lee]

17. Anyone who saw warning signs and didn't act as fully as possible

Shares some blame.

[FSogol]

20. LOL. Hindsight is 20/20. The nazi-puke is responsible for his actions, stop trying to blame others.

[KT2000]

23. what happens when warning signs

are reported?

[chowder66]

13. She is disabled, he abused her - she was dealing with her situation at hand

and she called 911 several times, got him counseling, put on medication. I'm pretty sure she was doing the best she could. And what she did is more than many others would do.

She couldn't predict he would mow down people with a car.

She's been through hell.

[mia]

18. It's a horrible ordeal to try to raise a violent, mentally ill child.

I've seen it happen. It's heartbreaking.

[chowder66]

19. I can't even imagine. When I posted I was thinking not only is she trying to save her own life

but she has to keep doing this - calling 911 and reporting, as a mother. I really feel for her, naive or not.

[mia]

21. Me too.

I imagined that she was disabled because he hurt her. I've seen children kick and bite their parents. She's been calling 911 since 2010 when he was 13.