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When they say the Confederacy wasn't about slavery and oppression, show them this: (Original Post) mucifer Aug 2017 OP
look closely. Chipper Chat Aug 2017 #1
He has reptilian eyes like Trump True_Blue Aug 2017 #12
A really creepy looking man PatSeg Aug 2017 #24
He looks dumb to me.. whathehell Aug 2017 #29
It is funny PatSeg Aug 2017 #34
Souless and empty? LakeArenal Aug 2017 #13
That is Sessions great grandpa... roomtomove Aug 2017 #20
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #21
And that asshole.... Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #2
Does he? Cartoonist Aug 2017 #5
https://www.aoc.gov/art/national-statuary-hall-collection/alexander-hamilton-stephens Orangepeel Aug 2017 #6
"Stephens was a dedicated statesman, an effective leader and a powerful orator." IronLionZion Aug 2017 #9
The statue does say "Vice President of the Confederacy" Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #15
Yeah, he does.... Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #14
Someone should hang a hood on that statue EVERY day...(n/t) Moostache Aug 2017 #17
Now THAT would be great! calimary Aug 2017 #31
It's kind of hard to get state rights, preserving agarian economy, and similar BS, out of that. Hoyt Aug 2017 #3
Yes, and don't forget, they prefer to call it "The War of Northern Aggression." calimary Aug 2017 #33
Using this from The Cornerstone Speech completely stymies the neo-confederates inanna Aug 2017 #4
Does any other country do this? Bradical79 Aug 2017 #7
Got a little Beauregard in there Aviation Pro Aug 2017 #8
One doesn't enslave equals as property IronLionZion Aug 2017 #10
Read the whole speech - it gets worse Louis1895 Aug 2017 #11
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #22
It wasn't just bite eared Stephens, either. Check this out: RVN VET71 Aug 2017 #16
The danger is allowing these southern states to persist in their delusions... Moostache Aug 2017 #18
The ugly just beams out from that man. byronius Aug 2017 #19
Important to have this available when FaceTime one who argues the C.W. was fought over states rights Raven123 Aug 2017 #23
I wonder what other races he detested or felt yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #25
He looks like Sessions.... zentrum Aug 2017 #26
I'm actually impressed. procon Aug 2017 #27
I've raised that point to them a number of times over the years Orrex Aug 2017 #28
EEEWWWWW. Makes me want to take a shower and wash it off. calimary Aug 2017 #30
Jackie Earl Haley played Stevens in Spielberg's "Lincoln" Aristus Aug 2017 #32
Wow! That's one helluva casting job! calimary Aug 2017 #36
Sounds like Nazi eugenics. moondust Aug 2017 #35
truth does not matter to these cretins niyad Aug 2017 #37

PatSeg

(47,430 posts)
34. It is funny
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 12:29 PM
Aug 2017

that the people who often talk about being part of a "superior race", actually look like the scum on the bottom of the barrel.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
9. "Stephens was a dedicated statesman, an effective leader and a powerful orator."
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 10:04 AM
Aug 2017

His statue has no mention of his white supremacy or secession from the United States

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. It's kind of hard to get state rights, preserving agarian economy, and similar BS, out of that.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 08:56 AM
Aug 2017

Several southern states' articles of succession say something like that, although not quite as direct.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
33. Yes, and don't forget, they prefer to call it "The War of Northern Aggression."
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 11:38 AM
Aug 2017

My companion term for that would be "The War of Southern Racist Pig-Headedness." Simplified, perhaps, to "The War of Southern Wrongness."

Wrongness | Define Wrongness at Dictionary.com
www.dictionary.com/browse/wrongness
Wrongness definition, not in accordance with what is morally right or good: a wrong deed. See more.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
4. Using this from The Cornerstone Speech completely stymies the neo-confederates
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 09:00 AM
Aug 2017

in any debate. It shows exactly what the confederacy was about. They just do not know how to respond to this FACT.

Recommended.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
10. One doesn't enslave equals as property
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 10:12 AM
Aug 2017

the whole concept of slavery is based on the slavers believing themselves to be superior to their slaves.

And confederate symbols are used by people who have no confederate history and there are many statues in states that were not part of the confederacy.

Louis1895

(768 posts)
11. Read the whole speech - it gets worse
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 10:15 AM
Aug 2017

I like having academic sources for speeches such as this one since Reddit sometimes publishes "fake" news.

I found this:

https://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/stephens.html

Lots memorable quotes in the two speeches reproduced there, such as

"The great truth, I repeat, upon which our system rests, is the inferiority of the African."

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
16. It wasn't just bite eared Stephens, either. Check this out:
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 10:41 AM
Aug 2017

The Texas statement of secession and declaration of causes written February 2, 1861, makes clear its citizens wished to then and forever hold slaves in bondage and uphold the institution of slavery.

It reads in part: “Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people..... She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. “

Every confederate was in it for slavery. Every confederate was in it for the selling of human beings, for the chattle slavery of men, women, and children. Every goddam confederate was a goddam white mother f***ing supremacist. That is the "sacred heritage" of that barbaric and bestial culture. Had a refined veneer, but scratch a "southern gentleman" and you see his ugliness oozing out like
pus from an infected wound.

Chew on that, Bobby Lee!

End of story.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
18. The danger is allowing these southern states to persist in their delusions...
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 10:45 AM
Aug 2017

They teach that the Civil War was the "great war of northern aggression" STILL. They down play slavery at every turn and instead use the code words we all know..."states rights", "self-determination" and other such nonsense...

Ask these sons-of-bitches that persist in this deluded state if their would have still been a war if the south has decreed slavery a moral hazard and made it illegal.

byronius

(7,394 posts)
19. The ugly just beams out from that man.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 10:48 AM
Aug 2017

So glad he lost. So glad. Grateful.

And I hope they lose again, and may they someday lose forever.

procon

(15,805 posts)
27. I'm actually impressed.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 11:31 AM
Aug 2017

He touched every one of the 7 classic Propaganda Techniques. Remarkably, he did completely unawares and crafted The Big Lie that convinced millions of seemingly normal people that one human being was entitled to own another human being based on nothing more than a preference of color.


Orrex

(63,212 posts)
28. I've raised that point to them a number of times over the years
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 11:32 AM
Aug 2017

In most cases, they've never heard of it.

They tend to dismiss it either as "taken out of context" or "not representative of the actual views of the Confederacy."


Yes, they've had a lot of practice at dismissing inconvenient truths...

Aristus

(66,369 posts)
32. Jackie Earl Haley played Stevens in Spielberg's "Lincoln"
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 11:37 AM
Aug 2017

Doing what Jackie Earl Haley does best: exuding an air of quiet menace.

moondust

(19,981 posts)
35. Sounds like Nazi eugenics.
Mon Aug 21, 2017, 12:41 PM
Aug 2017

Guess I never considered the possibility that the Nazis may have borrowed some of their ideology from the old U.S. Confederates.

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