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MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 09:49 AM Aug 2017

I listened to Trump last night. Didn't really hear him say much.

Rather, he made a bunch of statements that had no specificity at all. He won't say what he's going to do. He just says he's going to do something. Essentially, he spoke in generalities and made specious claims that he will get something done.

There really wasn't a plan laid out at all, just some words that sounded like a plan that hasn't been actually figured out.

I believe he was just trying to take people's attention off something, rather than to provide any actual information.

The end of the takeaway: "We're not really going to do anything. We're just going to say some shit."

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I listened to Trump last night. Didn't really hear him say much. (Original Post) MineralMan Aug 2017 OP
"No more eclipse. Watch ME!" dalton99a Aug 2017 #1
Deflect. At all costs, deflect. raven mad Aug 2017 #2
Trump waffles. MineralMan Aug 2017 #3
Yup I agree. Something is coming down the pike that he has to get the talking heads diverted from. shraby Aug 2017 #4
I don't know, really. It may just have been an attempt to MineralMan Aug 2017 #7
More of the same from Trump PJMcK Aug 2017 #5
and the markets say, yippee ki-yay GeorgeGist Aug 2017 #6
Please! Trump told me that the President's desk is in the Oval Office. Botany Aug 2017 #8
Apparently we are going to win the war in Afghanistan by winning the war in Afghanistan underpants Aug 2017 #9
Yup. Trump is committed to doing that, 1000%. MineralMan Aug 2017 #10
It can't be THAT hard underpants Aug 2017 #13
You'd think we'd learn from history, right? MineralMan Aug 2017 #15
That's just what they'd expect us to do! Johonny Aug 2017 #16
Aha! That's his master plan underpants Aug 2017 #18
It was word salad SHRED Aug 2017 #11
Translation: Trump doesn't know what he's doing & tough-talking RW soundbites don't solve problems FSogol Aug 2017 #12
The problem is that many people who watched or listened MineralMan Aug 2017 #14
Agreed. Too many simpletons in this country and Republicans, but I repeat myself. FSogol Aug 2017 #17
Sadly, it's not just the Republicans. As a nation, we are woefully ill-equipped MineralMan Aug 2017 #19
You are SO right! Louis1895 Aug 2017 #20
I think he's unleashing the dogs of war. yallerdawg Aug 2017 #21
He didn't spend seventeen days preparing. Orsino Aug 2017 #22

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
2. Deflect. At all costs, deflect.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 09:53 AM
Aug 2017

When the indictments come down? Declare war on........ oh, choose - Brazil this time, maybe?

shraby

(21,946 posts)
4. Yup I agree. Something is coming down the pike that he has to get the talking heads diverted from.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 09:57 AM
Aug 2017

My guess is he wanted the diversion so the generals gave him some non-specific actions for him to use. He then went to the podium and used what they gave him. He doesn't know the difference between substance and hot air, so they were safe in letting him blow hot air.

It must be big for him to go this far to make a diversion. I'm waiting for the shoe to drop. That guy with the cannon and boom, had 2 cannons this time.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
7. I don't know, really. It may just have been an attempt to
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:02 AM
Aug 2017

say something that sounded presidential. Talk is about maybe 4000 more troops going to Afghanistan, which is really a drop in the bucket when it comes to that misadventure.

He talked about Pakistan, but what's he planning to do there? I'm guessing nothing, really, except maybe to "speak in strong terms" to that nation.

He talked about NATO allies, but Afghanistan and Pakistan aren't really NATO's problems and NATO has no responsibility to support US military misadventures in those places.

The rest of what he said was just one glittering generality after another. He promised to "get tough" on all of this, but I don't think he's capable of that, really.

Trump basically punted and hopes to get the ball back before the other team scores again.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
5. More of the same from Trump
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 09:59 AM
Aug 2017

Nothing he says has any weight. When he was campaigning, you'll remember all of the things he promised:

- On his first day in office, he'd repeal and replace Obamacare
- He had a secret plan for destroying ISIS but wouldn't telegraph what it was
- He was going to bring jobs back from overseas
- He was going to build the Mexican wall and Mexico would pay for it (still the dumbest thing his supporters ever believed)

The list goes on and on. And none of it will ever happen.

Trump is a fraud.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
8. Please! Trump told me that the President's desk is in the Oval Office.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:06 AM
Aug 2017

BTW There is no way we can win the war in Afghanistan now.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
10. Yup. Trump is committed to doing that, 1000%.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:11 AM
Aug 2017

We're going to win, because Trump said we were going to win. And that's that, dammit!

underpants

(182,803 posts)
13. It can't be THAT hard
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:18 AM
Aug 2017

The Afghanistan area has been invaded many times in recorded history, but no invader has been able to control all of its regions at the same time, and at some point faced rebellion. Some of the invaders in the history of Afghanistan include the Maurya Empire of ancient India, Alexander the Great of Macedon, Umar, an Arab Caliphate, Genghis Khan of Mongolia, Timur of Persia and Central Asia, the Mughal Empire of India, various Persian Empires, the British Empire, the Sikh Empire, the Soviet Union, and most recently a coalition force of NATO troops, the majority from the United States, which entered the country in the first-ever invocation of NATO's Article 5 "an attack on one is an attack on all" following the September 11 attacks in the United States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasions_of_Afghanistan

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
15. You'd think we'd learn from history, right?
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:22 AM
Aug 2017

Not a chance, though. There is no winning there. There is only losing. We will continue to do that as long as we keep trying to win. The Middle East is a giant pit that can hold as much money and effort we, or anyone else, can pour into it.

All Middle East campaigns are bound to lose. That is the default outcome, and that's not going to change. Ever.

underpants

(182,803 posts)
18. Aha! That's his master plan
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:26 AM
Aug 2017

They expect us to do it so, in a surprise move, we are going to do it.

They'll never see us coming.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
12. Translation: Trump doesn't know what he's doing & tough-talking RW soundbites don't solve problems
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:12 AM
Aug 2017

Who knew?

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
14. The problem is that many people who watched or listened
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:19 AM
Aug 2017

thought he sounded great and is going to "get tough." Despite his saying nothing much at all, he used a lot of words that sounded like he was saying something. That's good enough for many people, I guess.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
19. Sadly, it's not just the Republicans. As a nation, we are woefully ill-equipped
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:30 AM
Aug 2017

to understand complex international situations. Most Americans have virtually no knowledge of geography, political realities, or history. We simply don't bother to learn that stuff. So, with very few exceptions, people don't know anything about Afghanistan. Nothing.

So, when idiots like Trump stand up and say a lot of words, the only things most people hear are attitudes and emphasis. The more vague a speech is, the more people think it is important, somehow.

If 100 Americans at random were asked to point at Afghanistan on an unlabeled map of the region, in most samples, none would be able to do so. None. If asked what is the basis of the economy of Afghanistan, the result would be the same. Almost everyone would just shrug and admit ignorance.

We are a nation of know-nothings and we appear to be proud of that. What a pity!

Louis1895

(768 posts)
20. You are SO right!
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 11:26 AM
Aug 2017

He needed another teleprompter speech in front of bunch of respectful soldiers and his adoring cabinet to appear "presidential".

The whole idea he is going to focus on terrorists and not nation-building seemed very insincere to me.

What are our objectives in Afghanistan?

How does Trump define winning there?

Unfortunately, I feel he is looking for a dog to wag so he can distract the American public from all of his many, many failings.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
21. I think he's unleashing the dogs of war.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 11:42 AM
Aug 2017

He doesn't mind indiscriminate death over there.

This stinks of the old "peace with honor" before we hand the keys over to the Taliban - right back where we started, as if we were never there.

That other lesson from Viet Nam - nothing happened to us when we walked away.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
22. He didn't spend seventeen days preparing.
Tue Aug 22, 2017, 12:23 PM
Aug 2017

This was a something thrown together by handlers in his absence to help a confused, frustrated fake president feel like he looked presidential. That's all.

You'd think someone might have otherwise noticed that the Big Plan is basically status quo.

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