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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWith only minor comment, I post this youtube video
This link was sent to me by a "Your Crazy Uncle" type. I watch it once and found it wrong on so many levels. I also see why liberals have an uphill road. An adult or group of adults put these kids up to it. The signs they hold are all in the same hand.
I really want to know who is doing the things they say people are doing? Who, for example, is "prayer shaming"? I could care less if someone prays. If they get too loud I might roll my eyes, sure. But they're free to do it. I don't even get loud when they get in my face about it. Yet here are these high school snowflakes finding the need to participate in this.
I'd love to hear the comments of others, particularly those of you who are practicing Christians.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,359 posts)Also, bring the damn day when the "holding up a sign and looking at the camera reproachfully" style of video is dead. Exactly one person did that well, and he sang the words over it.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)The above is utter rubbish. We're only trying to keep the government from imposing prayers on people. That means you can't have official prayer in schools, at town halls, before football games, etc. And you can't have the ten commandments in courthouses. Freedom of religion has to mean freedom not to practice religion, too.
There are angry atheists who can't seem to stand anyone believing in anything they don't believe. But mostly their anger stems from the fact that Christianity is shoved upon them from all sides. However, those people aren't huge in number and have no power to make Christians do or not do anything. They are not the problem.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)Jesus told people to go into their rooms and pray in private rather than stand on the street corner praying "like the hypocrites." I guess Jesus was the original "prayer shamer."
Can you tell this makes me angry? I'm constantly having to defend my religion from nonsense like this.
Warpy
(111,282 posts)on everybody else, no matter who they are. After all, everybody needs to hear The Word, right? They're only trying to keep all those other heathens out of hell.
That's what this is about. While there are math tests, there will be silent prayers. Those aren't good enough for Christian Soldiers.
Morons.
You said it better than I did.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Their basic message is about getting together, and that should be a message for all religions and spiritual groups, even nonreligious groups.
At a certain point you have just get over things. Arguing over religion (or race, or politics...) is a luxury when you're not involved in a shooting war or a drowning city.
Houston is one of those places where right now nobody gives a rat's ass who or what you are or what you believe. If your home has alligators and snakes in the living room, you just want to get to some place dry, and don't give a damn who helps get you there.
They didn't mention Harry, but they are saying we should be one people. Maybe they have their own religious slant on it, but the message stands.
Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)all of the "woe-is-me-persecuted-Christian" crap that precedes it.
Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)I am a practicing Quaker - have been all my life. On a fairly regular basis I pray in public, largely to avoid participating in flag worship, or glorification of war (i.e. saying the pledge of allegiance & singing the national anthem). I find it very challenging be present and not participate (or be perceived as participating) - and (silently) reciting a prayer keeps my brain from reciting either along with the crowd (sort of like trying to walk out of step with a marching band - never could figure out how anyone does it accidentally).
NO ONE has ever shamed me for doing so. I have had people ask about it - I try not to be obtrusive, especially when (for example) I am serving as a reporter at a local governmental meeting and the reporter isn't supposed to become the story. No one has been hostile, and no one has uttered a single shaming word or given me a single dirty look.
Anyone who feels they are being shamed for praying are only being shamed for trying to impose their narrow definition of prayer on others in a public space.
As far as telling God to get out of public spaces - first of all, why on earth do these people belive that God listens when anyone tells God to scram? Aside from that, I have not experienced - or witnessed - anyone hostile to God without human provocation. Yes, I have seen people react very negatively when an ostentatiously religious person insists on interacting in expressly religious terms. That's not telling God to get out of public spaces - it is telling an obnoxious jerk of a human, typically with a very limited view of God, to get out of their face.
rurallib
(62,426 posts)could be run out of schools, TV and the whole country by a few scruffy necked hippie atheists.
Maybe GOD isn't so almighty then?
Pray all you want. Pray at school but do so by yourself. Pray at work, but please try to get your share of the work done. Pray at home all you want but brush your teeth and bathe occasionally.
I have an SIL that is very religious and they always like to let us know they are praying. Good for them. I guess it keeps them occupied.
Sorry, I shouldn't have jumped in but I was once a christian, then folks like that opened my eyes.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)school to school, football game to football game, lunchroom to lunchroom, attacking people while they pray.
Oh, wait....that doesn't happen.
Good thing facts aren't taught at East Catholic High School. Otherwise, those kids might one day be ashamed they were used that way.