Ferfucksake

[Snake Plissken]

[byronius]

1. Actually, they were talking about 'well-organized militias'. As in 'National Guard'.

The intent is clearly spelled out in other writings, including the Federalist Papers -- they meant the National Guard. Period.

Ammosexuality is the one sexual preference I cannot condone.

[JHan]

2. yep.

[jmg257]

3. Which National Guard was that? You mean the mandatory militias the people were supposed to serve in?

Well - certain people.

Turned out the people weren't very much into serving, and would rather trust to huge standing armies and a federal National Guard (long after the 2nd was written).

[George II]

4. The idiot gun thumpers only read the last part of the sentence, not the whole sentence.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

[jmg257]

6. Oh they read the whole thing - that's why he had access to plenty of ARs.

"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument."

US vs Miller

Wonder if Miller was toting a BAR instead of a SOS, that automatic weapons would still be unregulated.

[lordsummerisle]

17. That quote should be taken out and shot

pun intended. Legalese (sigh).

[raven mad]

5. And the right to arm bears.........

oops! Bear arms........ our bears are already well armed.

[DK504]

7. Thee this absolutely NO reason for anyone to have a fully automatic gun

outside the military. AT ALL.

[IronLionZion]

8. Shouldn't people have a right to bear anti-aircraft missiles and tanks?

Because people need to protect themselves from government tyranny. Many of those people also support blue lives matter even though cops are armed agents of the government closest to the people and most likely to oppress violently.

Any day now red dawn will turn out to be real. They already hacked our elections

[SergeStorms]

9. No shit!

Our forefathers never foresaw the power and deadliness of today's weapons. The second amendment should be revisited, but good luck with that with the NRA and it's associated gun nuts.

[sandensea]

10. And if there's one thing today's gun culture isn't,

it's well-regulated.

[burrowowl]

11. That's for sure

Congress get your ASS in gear, stop bowing down to the NRA!

[nitpicker]

12. And no instant Army/National Guard response

In the 18th Century, US frontier people were reliant on local militias to help defend against Indian attacks/retribution.

In some areas, persons on local tax rolls were listed under captains (e.g. "Captain Davis' Company&quot , instead of specific towns.

[Sparkly]

13. .

[hack89]

14. So the founding fathers the gold standard?

Ok.

[TomSlick]

15. Unfortunately,

SCOTUS ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment is a personal - and not a collective - right. Unless and until Heller is overruled (almost certainly no time soon) the "well regulated militia" language is meaningless.

Congress, state legislatures, local governments can nibble around the edges with limited regulations that SCOTUS will review on the basis of their individual view of "reasonableness."

I try not to despair but it ain't easy.

[TrollBuster9090]

16. In DC vs. Heller, the SCOTUS couldn't agree on what the first two clauses meant, but ruled that the

ruled that the clause about 'the right to keep and bear arms' was an affirmation that bearing arms was a personal right. (I don't agree, but that's what they ruled.) However, even Scalia himself said that it's perfectly legitimate for Congress to make laws about WHAT TYPES of arms people are allowed to own. The only reason Congress hasn't done anything about that is because half of them are in the pockets of the gun manufacturing lobby, and the other half are scared shitless of the citizens militia crackpots they claim to represent. Not scared shitless that they'll be shot. Just scared shitless that they'll be primaried.

The simplest way to do something about it is to A) start collecting lobby money to put pressure on COngress in the opposite direction. Lobby money for gun safety laws. And B) find a way to make gun-safety people as passionate about gun safety as the citizens militia crackpots are about LACK of gun regulations. Given that they're batshit crazy, it'll be pretty hard to match that level of enthusiasm. But we're getting to a point now where EVERYBODY has at least one relative or loved one who was killed by a gun in the hands of either a crackpot or a crook. All we have to do to turn that into political action is to point out that ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES don't have to live through this. ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES have done something about this. It's not hopeless. It's not impossible.