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Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:21 AM Oct 2017

One possible reason the Vegas gunman may have stopped after eleven minutes.

They keep attributing the cease fire to the security guard that was shot through the door. But, is it possible that the bump stock and all that massive recoil pounding into Paddock's shoulder may have caused injury?

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One possible reason the Vegas gunman may have stopped after eleven minutes. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Oct 2017 OP
maybe Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #1
I did see one report that his hands were burned due to heat from the guns' barrels. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #2
Yeah, look for add-on water cooling jackets to pop up in the upcoming gun shows. Girard442 Oct 2017 #3
It's possible atreides1 Oct 2017 #9
5.56mm doesn't generate much recoil hack89 Oct 2017 #4
1) he had gloves on so forget burns jmg257 Oct 2017 #5
CNN - Sheriff says he may have planned to escape underpants Oct 2017 #6
That goes along with wiring the money to exboyfil Oct 2017 #11
Yes it could. Expected chaos and he could slide through the crowd underpants Oct 2017 #13
I heard that is the reason for breaking the second window exboyfil Oct 2017 #15
I could be wrong but Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #14
Is it possible that after eleven minutes the majority of the crowd running away were getting .... mainstreetonce Oct 2017 #7
Sounds very likely. Baitball Blogger Oct 2017 #12
Nah Calculating Oct 2017 #8
I think after 11 minutes that most of his potential new targets were gone. kwassa Oct 2017 #10
My understanding is the smoke from the guns set off the fire alarm in his room... Ellipsis Oct 2017 #16
I doubt that madokie Oct 2017 #17
IMO, but still just a SWAG, the smoke and powder residue was more likely than recoil. Thor_MN Oct 2017 #18
Maybe he simply got tired of doing it, got it out of his system. Luz Oct 2017 #19

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
9. It's possible
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:36 AM
Oct 2017

But it's been reported that he had 12 rifles fitted with bump stocks, if each had a 30 round magazine, that comes out to 360 rounds! So, why would he touch the barrel of the rifle?

It was also reported that he was wearing gloves.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
5. 1) he had gloves on so forget burns
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:31 AM
Oct 2017

2) he fired 200 rounds AT security.
Think he just decided he was done.

underpants

(182,876 posts)
6. CNN - Sheriff says he may have planned to escape
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:33 AM
Oct 2017
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/05/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation/index.html

My hunch that I posted a few days ago was, given the complete lack of usual motives, that he thought he was so smart he could get out do what anyone else has done. The possible escape plan, I think, backs this up. He wanted to show how smart he was.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
11. That goes along with wiring the money to
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:39 AM
Oct 2017

the Philippines. I don't think he expected to be confronted so quickly. It threw him off.

Also he thankfully wasted some of his time firing at the fuel tanks.

underpants

(182,876 posts)
13. Yes it could. Expected chaos and he could slide through the crowd
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:44 AM
Oct 2017

I didn't know about firing at fuel tanks. ???

Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
14. I could be wrong but
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:50 AM
Oct 2017

The tannerite in his car is common in use of exploding targets, is it possible be planned to plant some at the fuel tanks? At the end he takes a chance his scraffing the tanks might induce explosions with bullets?

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
7. Is it possible that after eleven minutes the majority of the crowd running away were getting ....
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:34 AM
Oct 2017

out of his range?
Or if he stopped because of tired hands, the crowd was out of range before he could start again?

Calculating

(2,957 posts)
8. Nah
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:35 AM
Oct 2017

IMO he had just 'had his fill' so to speak and decided to end it. Maybe the less crazy voice within his mind took over for a moment and he was like "oh god, what am I doing".

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
10. I think after 11 minutes that most of his potential new targets were gone.
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:39 AM
Oct 2017

The ones that weren't shot had made it out of the field and escaped from his fire.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
16. My understanding is the smoke from the guns set off the fire alarm in his room...
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:53 AM
Oct 2017

...so they knew where he was.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
17. I doubt that
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 09:56 AM
Oct 2017

Not a gunner.
The kind of weapons he was shooting doesn't have that much recoil, best I remember back when I was a soldier. Shotguns will kick the living shit out of you but he wasn't firing shotguns. 308 has somewhat of a kick but if you're used to shooting one your shoulder is used to it. 223 not much recoil at all.

I say more than likely he figured he was caught and took the cowards way out by shooting himself. cowards like him don't want to face the music if you get my drift

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
18. IMO, but still just a SWAG, the smoke and powder residue was more likely than recoil.
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:01 AM
Oct 2017

He was probably shooting from inside the room, rather than hanging the barrel out the window. Air quality inside the room was likely pretty low after all those shots.

Purely speculative, of course.

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