**RUMOR** Chief of Staff Kelly has resigned.

[RandySF]

Link to tweet

[Rollo]

1. He's lasted longer than I expected...

He seems like a good man, for a military dude. No doubt he couldn't put up with the con man much longer.

[jmowreader]

6. You might want to delete four words from your post

A lot of DUers are "military dudes," including some of the most beloved DUers like Trof.

[Rollo]

52. That may be, but...

Military men are ill-suited to lead a nation.

This is ancient wisdom.

[flyingfysh]

54. More military men not suited to lead..

Washington and Eisenhower. Carter was on submarines, and JFK was on PT boats

[Rollo]

63. Carter was not a career military man - he was a governor before becoming President...

Same for JFK, never a career military man.

Eisenhower? Not one of our best presidents.

Point is, yeah, lots of presidents have had military experience but few of them were career military men and of those, most kind of sucked at civil office. Grant, for one, who ran one of the most corrupt administrations in history.

I'm not saying military men are bad people, quite the contrary. It's just that a military approach is ill suited to leading a nation subject to a civil or legal constitution. The military is based on slavish devotion to duty, a rigid command structure, and ultimately in violence and death as needed. These are not qualities that lend themselves to running a nation in peace with any appreciable degree of freedom for its citizenry.

Washington may well be the exception that proves the rule. But then, a lot of founders wanted to make him king instead of president. What does that tell us?

[flyingfysh]

72. There was Andrew Jackson

He made his reputation at the Battle of New Orleans, but his presidency was awful. He stole land from the Indians, and exchanged slavery.

[Honeycombe8]

76. Career or not, choosing to serve in the military makes one a military dude, IMO.

Many Presidents chose to serve in the military and regarded it as a highlight of their lives. As opposed to serving in Nat'l Guard as a ploy to get out of the draft (Bush Jr.).

[Rollo]

95. Your definition, not mine...

I have made it clear what I meant.



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[Rollo]

108. The National Guard is a military organization...

And plenty of guardsmen got sent to 'Nam, at least those without congressmen as fathers...

It's a question of definitions. As the one who made the statement that some have objected to, it's my right to define what I meant by "military man". That definition is restricted to career soldiers and officers, not to those who enlisted and served a few years, and then went onto something else, non military, for the rest of their adult lives.

My statement, my definition.

[Honeycombe8]

109. Each of us has the right to define "military dude" how we intend it to mean.

Many Presidents have been military dudes or had some military experience.

[Rollo]

113. I don't think serving the military makes anybody worse, or better than those who haven't...

Although it probably on average makes them more thoughtful about starting another war, ex-corporal Hitler notwithstanding. The closest Trump ever got was being banished to a military school when he was 13. After rising to the level of captain, he had his command yanked from him under allegations of hazing and incompetence, and he was "promoted" to a desk job. Which probably gave him a lifelong inferiority complex, for which he has overcompensated with bluster, harassment of women, name-calling of opponents, and an extreme focus on material wealth.

How might we best promote Trump out of the command he now abuses?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029682589

[MGKrebs]

78. Plenty of civilians would make bad president too.

I'm trying to think of one....

[TrishaJ]

87. George Washington and

Ulysses Grant

[Rollo]

96. Grant is generally accepted to have been one of our worst presidents...

His was the most corrupt administration in our history. Grant personally was above suspicion, but he was not able to run his office properly for the good of the nation.

[TrishaJ]

100. This is true.

But infinitely more competent than Donald Trump!

[Rollo]

106. Grant obviously was more personally honorable and brave than Trump...

...not that this is saying much...

.

[jmowreader]

61. Which is why Teddy Roosevelt was such a bad president

[Rollo]

64. Roosevelt was not a career military man, either.

[jmowreader]

65. You ever hear of the First Rule of Holes?

Eisenhower was DEFINITELY a career military man, and he was a good president.

[Rollo]

66. No he was a rather mediocre president...

His tenure was characterized by his ineffectiveness at reigning in the forces he publicly disparaged ("the military industrial complex&quot , a major economic recession, a deepening of the Cold War resulting from his bumbling of the U2 flights over Russia, the USA falling behind in space and technologically in general. Plus he paved the way for one of the worst, Richard M. Nixon.

[Jim Beard]

84. The Interstate Highway system.

[Rollo]

97. The interstate highway system wasn't Eisenhower's idea...

It was first proposed in Congress in 1939, and a bill was passed in 1944, but not funded. Congress finally funded a system in 1956. Eisenhower had been impressed by Hitler's autobahns when we invaded Germany at the end of WWII, but even Hitler wasn't the first to construct such a system. It was his ally, Mussolini, who first constructed such a system, in Italy.

[mountain grammy]

93. So very true.

[Honeycombe8]

74. I don't think that's true. Not for the U.S., anyway.

Teddy Roosevelt. Eisenhower. George Washington. Some others. It depends on the person.

Look at the bad Presidents we had that didn't serve in the military. Bush Jr., Trump, Hoover.

[Rollo]

98. GW Bush served in the military, in the Texas Air National Guard...

I earlier defined "military man" as being a career soldier or officer. Few of our presidents meet that criteria, such as Washington, Grant, Eisenhower. Not Roosevelt. Washington is for traditional reasons beyond reproach. Grant, great general, poor president. Eisenhower? Great general, mediocre president.

[trof]

110. Aww...Thanks, jmow.

[Ilsa]

17. Not just a military dude. He's a gold star father. NT

[MLAA]

24. OMG! I did t know that. I will hold him in high esteem for that ultimate sacrifice.

[atreides1]

38. Why

You to hold anyone in high esteem, then that would be Lt Robert Kelly, not his father!

[MLAA]

39. Good point. There is room to hold them both in high esteem.

His son for the sacrifice and his father/family for his unfathomable loss.

[HopeAgain]

41. Not if he worked for Trump

No respect for anyone who works for Trump. period.

[Leith]

47. Don't Ever Discount or Underestimate the Pain of a Parent Who Has Lost a Child

I've known parents of children who have died various reasons. It is not something a parent can get over.

I hope that Kelly took the job in order to rein in a mentally deficient pResident and to bring order to the chaotic White House. After the past couple of years of observing hair furor, that is a job beyond anyone who values his own sanity.

[HopeAgain]

71. So he deals with his pain by deporting the DACA kids...

No respect for anyone who signs up to serve this maniac. None.

[Kolesar]

103. Goddamned Kelly enthusiastically wrecked families when running ICE/Homeland

Hate him. I met an Army Sergeant who left Ohio to join her husband who had been deported to Mexico. Hate him a lot.

[Hekate]

49. Some of the men around Trump are trying to save the country from him, you know.

They may not be able to, but some are trying, and I think Kelly is one.

[dhill926]

60. Yes...

And history will look kindly on them I think...

[ClarendonDem]

77. Agreed

I think Corker was probably spot on when he said Kelly and others were the only thing preventing Trump from dragging this country into chaos (to the extent he hasn't already).

[Rollo]

67. Ever wonder why the Founders made sure the military would be under civilian control?

Hmm?



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[Honeycombe8]

73. I don't think he's leaving. We've heard this rumor before. Look at who posted the tweet.

Why are people paying attention to this person who posts an unsubstantiated tweet? Maybe I'll post a tweet tomorrow that Trump has decided to force his AG to fire Mueller, and watch everyone discuss what will happen when he fires Mueller, altho it would be a totally false tweet from a citizen with no knowledge of that.

[tymorial]

80. Lame.

Thankfully I don't have to read you anymore

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. IF this is true, it's too bad.

He brought order to the madness we call the Presidency.

[Maraya1969]

30. I was looking for someone to say this. Personally I am kind of scared for him to go. Although

the control he had over #45 seems to have weakened in the last few weeks it always looked like his kept #45 from going full steam batshit on us.

I hope he doesn't start a war.

[Gore1FL]

46. I agree--and am no fan of Kelly.

Hell, at this point, I am feeling nostalgic for George W. Bush and Michael D. Brown.

[GreenEyedLefty]

81. I do believe he tried.

[skylucy]

3. ...

[Shrike47]

4. I kinda hope not. Kelly seems like a sane person, unlike 45. Wrong, maybe, but sane.

[janterry]

8. Tough old military guy

I couldn't imagine him being berated by trump for much longer. Trump treats underlings like lackeys

I agree, though, it's a shame (we needed him)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. WOW WOW WOW Who do you think COULD do it? How about the Terminator? nt

[Chipper Chat]

7. He might bring Bannon back.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. hmmm. he fired him. wonder, in Trump's life, if there was anyone

who truly could control him? maybe his long gone dad?

[bdamomma]

9. I hope not

this is not normal. Geez my mind is like mush, was Kelly Bannons replacement?

[Leghorn21]

15. Mush here as well, momma - had to google, but confirmed my suspicion that Kelly replaced

that Priebus guy...

Bannon was uh - an “advisor”?

[bdamomma]

23. so Bannon

was never replaced??? This is scary, in his sick demented mind does he want to be ruler......

[Leghorn21]

36. Well, Bannons mini-me Stephen Miller is still floating around the WH I believe...doing what, i

do not know-

[bdamomma]

37. oh that guy is

really weird too.

[tblue37]

29. Priebus was the former chief of staff. nt

[bdamomma]

34. oh whew

thanks for clearing that up for me.

[TDale313]

10. Well, Friday Night News Dump would make sense

[a kennedy]

14. Yah, that's the MO.

wow, insane if true.

[joeybee12]

11. Don't let the door hit your fascist butt on the way out

May I remind anyone who thinks Kelly isn't garbage he''s the architect of those increased ICE raids including hospitals

[Iliyah]

32. Ditto

[roamer65]

12. It may be Kelly and Mc Master together.

[USALiberal]

13. Another rumor, not sure why we post these without proof. nt

[cwydro]

70. I agree.

I'll wait for the news.

DI has become a gossip site lately.

[ffr]

16. Purge them all, then lock them up!

[democratisphere]

18. I thought I was on DU.

How the hell did I end up on fakebook or Sh'tter?

[Major Nikon]

22. Twitter also said the Fucking Moron was going to resign months ago

[cwydro]

91. Lol.

Lots of fake news pushers here.

[exboyfil]

19. What about the suicide pack?

Tillerson, Mnuchin, and Mattis are said to agree to resign together if one goes out. I wonder if it will be a general exodus.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/10/04/report-rex-tillerson-jim-mattis-steve-mnuchin-form-suicide-pact/23233186/

[marylandblue]

25. That could certainly be the storm Trump meant

And I'd prefer to think that rather than think about a war tomorrow.

[Goonch]

20. SOCIOPOTUS

[ffr]

21. Tea Pain RT

You can see it in his f-ing moranic face, Dotard is freakin pissed!!!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Iliyah]

33. Seems like this one is upsetting him even more

hummmmmmmmmmm.

No worries tho, Sen Burr to the rescue (not)

[LiberalLovinLug]

51. I got a bit frightened watching that

"The Storm" term introduced to us by the orange boor seemed said more in bravado than remorse. Then when questioned about what he meant he answers the question with.. "we have the world's great military people in this room I will tell ya that"

Could there be some big military action set to go forward? He'd get the inevitable war bounce unfortunately where there is a sense towards dropping everything, and it being incumbent to rally support for any nationalist symbols, even the present day Presidency. Some giant doggy wag, that can go bang bang and distract his legal issues, and rally moderate Rs looking for any reason to find solace in their vote, and crystallize even more his hardcore deplorables base. Some adventure that he probably has been biting his lip over trying to keep it quiet and follow his own advice. I hope not. But he just looked a little too pleased with himself in that clip. And General Kelly is rumoured to be resigning for some reason..

[nycbos]

26. Who is this person and is she credible?

[marylandblue]

28. The rumor has been floating around since yesterday when he got off AF 1

[smirkymonkey]

31. I hope it's not true. He wasn't doing a very good job of keeping Trump

under control, but I think he was keeping him from doing his worst. There has to be some adult keeping him from destroying the world. Can nobody control this stupid motherfucker? I find that hard to believe.

[Grammy23]

35. As we witness people fleeing this sinking ship

Whether Kelly is gone or not—

[BootinUp]

40. Will moron bring Bannon back? Lolol

[SharonClark]

42. Who is Sarah Smith and why does she have any credibility with you?

[leftofcool]

55. She has a JD and spent 18 years in Government ethics law

Doesn't mean she is credible but it might mean that important people tell her "stuff."

[SharonClark]

82. Thanks for responding since the author of the post appears to be a 'post and run'.

[NBachers]

43. I figured he's the guy who'd prevent trump from nuking North Korea. Who's left to stop him?

[Oneironaut]

44. God this Administration is a nightmare and a trainwreck.

As bad as I thought it would be, it's 1000X worse. I can't wait until our "long national nightmare" is over. I want to wake up now.

[aikoaiko]

45. Totally believable, but its also believable Commander Marmalade

just leaked a fake news item which he can rant against and distract us from LV and PR.

[onenote]

48. Who is Sarah Smith and how good are her sources?

Well, she gave us this one (admittedly "pure speculation" on her part)

Sarah Smith‏
@SarahLSmith677
August 3, 2017
I have another prediction--pure speculation: McMaster & Kelly will shepherd Trump into an eventual voluntary resignation.

[former9thward]

50. Why is no one else reporting this "rumor"?

More internet BS.

[Pugster]

116. It's not even a rumor

Only one obscure person is behind this.

[hamsterjill]

53. No surprise really.

Tillerson will be next week's casualty.

[left-of-center2012]

56. Nothing "nowhere" online to back this up

Might actually be 'fake news'?

[RandySF]

57. No there isn't, which makes it a rumor.

And she's not the one mentioning it.

[left-of-center2012]

79. "No there isn't, which makes it a rumor."

Aren't most rumors 'fake news'?

"Oh my gawd ~ did you hear about Mrs Jones and the plumber?"

[cwydro]

92. Delete your op.

This makes us all look stupid.

But especially the one who posted fake news.

[Rollo]

99. Censorship is what makes us look stupid...

Randy clearly indicated this to be a rumor.

[Honeycombe8]

58. Who is Sarah Smith? nt

[11cents]

62. The pertinent question

Seems like another Claude Taylor type to me. Can anyone vouch for her?

[Ccarmona]

59. Another Day, Another Crisis. This is the Worst

And, another day I think & write, “could you imagine if this crap went on during the Obama Administration?”

[octoberlib]

69. He was probably looking for a reason.

I guess Rohrabacher will get in to see Trump now I’m his campaign to pardon Assange.

[Johnny2X2X]

75. Mattis, Tillerson, and Kelly need to resign and denounce Trump

These 3 need to resign and release a joint statement stating how they are resigning, but will now work together to remove the madman from office. He is not fit for office! These 3 together could stop him if they choose.

[MineralMan]

83. "a good source?"

That's the same source all rumor-mongers use. They always have "good sources," typically the voice they hear in their heads.

This rumor, like all rumors, might be true. It also might be false. One thing's certain: We'll find out which it is sometime later.

[dawg]

85. I hope this rumor is false.

It doesn't benefit anyone to have the American Presidency spinning out of control.

[cwydro]

94. It's false.

And seems to be only in this OP's mind.

[Botany]

86. Does Trump want Kelly out in order to start a war?

[liberalhistorian]

88. Since the man has more than two brain cells,

and since he isn't about power and self-aggrandizement, I'm really surprised he's managed to last this long. When I saw his very understandable reaction during Drumpf's U.N. "speech", I figured it was only a matter of very short time before he just couldn't take it anymore. I've heard he told colleagues and friends who asked why he'd serve in such a capacity and how he could take it that he thought he could control at least some of the madness and could try to rein Trump in when needed. He probably just couldn't take it anymore.

God help us all now.

[Pugster]

89. Please delete thread

It was embarrassingly false.

[cwydro]

90. I know.

Total bullshit>

Fake news alive and well on DU.

[Sanity Claws]

102. was?

It is not even Friday news dump time yet.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

107. It's a rumor, and OP has specified as much.

I'd wait to see how things pan out at least through this evening.

Kelly's in an impossible, no win situation. Something will have to give, sooner or later.

[Pugster]

112. The source has no connection with the White House, and isn't a journalist

Terrible source.

[Eliot Rosewater]

101. All media needs to NOT take the weekend off, with Kelly out we are

moments from war.

The world needs to know what is going on even on the weekends.

[bearsfootball516]

105. We don't know if Kelly is out.

[RandySF]

111. No, but CNN is picking it up.

[onenote]

117. Really? Got a link to that?

[MFM008]

104. calm before the storm?????

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[Calista241]

114. So Im guessing this didnt happen?

[cwydro]

118. Nope, never did.

Fake news alive and well on DU.

[Honeycombe8]

115. This "Sarah Smith" has deleted her rumor tweet that Kelly was going to leave by Friday. It was false

Another false "rumor." I didn't fall for it, but questioned who Sarah Smith is. How 'bout you?