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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIgnorant is too harsh: 13 grammatical mistakes that instantly reveal people's ignorance
All it takes is a single tweet or text for some people to reveal their poor grasp of the English language.
Homophones words that sound alike but are spelled differently can be particularly pesky.
Regardless, you should never choose incorrectly in these nine situations:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/smart-living/13-grammatical-mistakes-that-instantly-reveal-peoples-ignorance/ss-AAsSriY?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)I HATE #6, too
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I've never had a problem with that, but sometimes Mr. "Smartphone" does.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)So helpful and efficient.
My favorite thing in the world is when autocorrect "helps" me, then I backspace backspace backspace to fix it, and then it immediately "helps" me again.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)It's generally clear from the context what they mean. With the glorious dynamics of language, I predict the words may become fully interchangeable in a hundred years or more.
LeftInTX
(25,370 posts)Both can be used as nouns and verbs
http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/style-and-usage/affect-effect-grammar.html
mitch96
(13,911 posts)And I love'em... Mine is the phrase Oh! that's so fun..
Fun needs a modifier.. .like "much" as in Oh! that's so much fun...
The article is geared to writing. My bitch is speech... I also love to listen to non native english speakers mess with the language... My dentist says "Come toward me fine but when she says "come away from me" I want to crack up. I can't though cause I have about two pounds of instruments in my pie hole...
"May I be into helping you please" always cracked me up also...
You?
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hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Saviolo
(3,282 posts)Something can be different from something, but it can't just be different.
In the case of comparisons "They were different heights" (for example) the "from each other" is implied.
And it makes an amusing dig at someone to say, "Oh... he's different..." but that's basically meaningless.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)On an experience that means it was unlike anything you've ever dealt with and implying something unkind.
Saviolo
(3,282 posts)To me, that fits into the same category of "Well, he's... different." It's an amusing observation, but doesn't really mean anything.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)I think he has done that one multiple times
"Houston is heeling"
He also frequently capitalizes letters that should not be, just yesterday
"Why Isn't the...."
The Russian Facebook ads had some funny grammar and stilted syntax, not like the usual ones listed in the OP. BOLO for bots using them
Leith
(7,809 posts)There are definitely some mistakes that native speakers would not commit in text that originates in non-native messages. Without going into detail and tipping the trolls off, they hit the eye like strobe lights when you know what to look for.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)They are not common grammar errors that even a freeper would make. In their article about the FB ads, the NYTimes pointed out a glaring mistake that no English speaker no matter how ignorant would perform.
I wonder how the Russian bots are working to solve the problem.
"what do you meaning by that? I English speak good!"
Leith
(7,809 posts)"I speak English good."
Most linguists would say that a native speaker can't make a mistake, but I've made them myself in new and uninteresting ways.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I read somewhere that Nigerian e-mail scanners don't sweat that their e-mails are rife with ridiculous and obvious spelling errors. They're not targeting educated people, anyway. They would rather focus their efforts on the less educated and, presumably, more gullible.
I assume the same probably goes for Russian trolls.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)As in the one ad I saw the tag line was "SHARE IF YOU OUTRAGED" a corruption of 'your/ you're not even mentioned in the 13 sins above. It was a mistake made from the tag line to other memes on the same FB page "SHARE IF YOU AGREE" by my guess.
I would reckon the problem is that the Russians are very literate and smart people it's hard for them to dumb things down to American vernacular level dumb
For one thing they use too many words to try and explain a point. The point of one ad was Trump will replace "Happy Holidays" with "Merry Christmas"
Instead of just saying "Bring back Merry Christmas Again" something short and sweet and right up the short American attention span, there was a longer twisted paragraph attempting to explain how liberals are "having me saying happy holidays"
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)This is the best thing I have read in a long time. Thank you for that.
phylny
(8,380 posts)That's how I know it's a fake review
mitch96
(13,911 posts)restaurant reviews with people from adjoining towns and the a few from far flung places.. .fake
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Buns_of_Fire
(17,181 posts)niyad
(113,336 posts)who vs that
and, soooooooo many more!
Salviati
(6,008 posts)Glorfindel
(9,730 posts)More for my own perusal and betterment than anything else. Generally speaking, I think DU'ers are an exceptionally intelligent and well-read group. Everyone makes mistakes now and then - Lord knows I make my fair share! Here's the list:
effect/affect
reign/rein
then/than
edging on/egging on
bare/bear
your/you're
its/it's
their/they're/there
too/to
mettled/meddled
principal/principle
tenet/tenant
My biggest blunder lately was saying "comma" when I meant "apostrophe." In self-defense, it happened before I'd had any coffee that morning!
Leith
(7,809 posts)But others are excusable. Affect and effect, for example.
Errors that grate on my ears:
"He gave it to you and I"
It's ME, you dolts! Would you say "he gave it to I?"
"less calories"
Fewer, damn it!
Even though it's still correct, I just don't like the word "whom." It sounds pretentious. In a generation or two, it will become obsolete.
Glorfindel
(9,730 posts)Do they mean "we need less government and fewer taxes," or "we need less government and we need taxes"?
I hate to disagree, but I honestly don't hear "whom" as being pretentious. I can't imagine saying "to who were you speaking?" or, even worse, "who were you speaking to?" You are right, however. In a generation or two, "whom," along with many other useful and beautiful bits of language, will disappear.
ProfessorGAC
(65,069 posts)Similar to your "less vs. fewer". When they reference something as 10 times less. It's not 10x less. It's one tenth, or 10%. There's no frame of reference in 10x less. If something is a 100 and the frame of reference is 1000, then 10x less is negative 8000. If the frame of reference is 50, then we have a real conundrum.
And saying "one tenth" is quicker than saying "ten times less".
Perhaps they think that people can't understand "one tenth." Maybe they can't. The reason that there is no third pounder at McDonald's is because too many people think that 1/3 is smaller than 1/4.
I hate hearing crap like "ten times less." A commercial has been saying their allergy medicine is better because "six is greater than one." Thanks for the math lesson, Allegra (or whoever it is).
TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)I can't stand when people incorrectly use "I" instead of "me". And "less" when they mean "fewer".
I mean, I really can't stand it. I actually tense up. I may need professional help, lol.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I didn't tense up, but boy did I notice.
I also have the hangups over "fewer and less" and "many and much."
Another I always notice and feel is a probably a fairly good clue to someone "that" didn't grow up in a highly educated family and "that's" always preferred not to read, though not necessarily ignorant since many college grads use it, is of course "that" for "who." Rump is a person that does that.
TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)At least not formally, that is, as we were poor. However, we were always surrounded by books and always reading, so you might be right about that part.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)educated than many, or most, even if not formally. In any case, the patterns of more cultured language are going to be imprinted a lot more by reading than, say, by growing up among relatives who don't and who really only attended college because that's what people like them do.
reflection
(6,286 posts)I'll try to make less mistakes next time.
procon
(15,805 posts)That's the beginner's stuff that kids are supposed to learn in grade school. How to teachers pass kids on to a higher grade level without making sure they know the basic language skills they must have as an adult living in a high tech information age?
mythology
(9,527 posts)But we live in a world where two of our last three presidents have been linguistically challenged, so perhaps basic language skills are overrated.
BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)It is called Daily Oral Language. They all loved it. I would write a sentence incorrectly and they would get "table points" for each corrected error. I was the only teacher at my school who did this. Spell check has made Grammar, Punctuation and Spelling "unnecessary" as far as state curriculum writers are concerned. Even my 6 year olds knew the difference between desert and dessert, super and supper. However, even a teacher friend sent me a birthday card and wrote "your" instead of "you're" three times in one card. Our educational system has changed and modeling good grammar, etc. doesn't exist at home.
I still get confused with may/might and lay/lie/layed. Also when a sentence begins with "If I..." and "I wish..." and is followed by singular or plural "was/were".
I went on a DU rant last night when I was corrected after my spell check wrote something incorrectly after I had typed it correctly. I have to correct my auto spellchecker at least three times after I write anything and I still miss the incorrect changes. It infuriates me!!!!! I will type "its" as it should be and Samsung tablet spellchecker changes it to the contraction "it's". AAARRRRGGGGG!!!!!
procon
(15,805 posts)I still have auto cat correction, though. It comes with two cats that sprawl across the keyboard or try to grab my fingers as I type. The hair they leave behind is a feature, not a bug.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Even though I know all the rules. Something about the need to get the words out quickly makes my brain fart.
LuckyCharms
(17,444 posts)Thirties Child
(543 posts)She's a person who hates 45. NOT She's a person that hates 45.
Glorfindel
(9,730 posts)As if I'm probably going to pick out sick ones if I'm not reminded?
ProfessorGAC
(65,069 posts)I only want the healthy ones!
Orrex
(63,215 posts)Whether or not these were exclusively correct at one time, that ship has sailed.
Glorfindel
(9,730 posts)No one confuses regretfully with regrettably.
Orrex
(63,215 posts)TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)Drives me up the wall.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)you'd think that people would realise it sounds off; a person is not a thing.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Use "who" whenever you are talking about people. Use "that" whenever you are talking about inanimate objects or concepts.
"We have 42 salespeople who..."
"We have 18 teams who..."
"There are 22 file servers that..."
As with anything else, there are gray areas. "Nebraska has 32 branch offices who/that..." I tend to default to "who" whenever what I'm talking about is dependent on the actions of people.
"Nebraska has 32 branch offices who met their sales targets for last year."
"Nebraska has 32 branch offices that need to upgrade their signage. These are NOT the same offices who met their sales targets for last year."
LeftInTX
(25,370 posts)LisaM
(27,813 posts)Never, never, never say, "come talk to Joe or I". Just. Don't.
I work with freaking lawyers and they get this wrong all the time, and it boggles my mind. How did they earn advanced degrees if they can't even conquer this tiny point of grammar?
spooky3
(34,458 posts)What bothers me about it is that I think if they just let themselves say what "sounds right" rather than adopt a pretentious "correction", they wouldn't make this mistake. And, it's so easy to avoid by removing the other person's name--they know it's silly to say "come talk to I."
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)a dime for each grammatical error back in the day. She was hard core! To this day, I sweat a little bit when using lay vs lie. I think I get it wrong about 50% of the time. My mom is isn't around to bill me, however.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I still remember.
She's no longer here to remind me.
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)was your mom a stickler for good grammar in general? My mom was, and I used to think she was so mean!! Now I am glad she did what she did and I wish she were here so that I could thank her. I am appalled at how my child's teachers often speak. Poor grammar seems to be acceptable!
TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)She did a good job with your grammar, obviously.
I, too, wish I could thank my mother!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)To the day she died, we'd both laugh about bad grammar on TV or elsewhere.
I miss her very much.
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)I'm sorry she's not with here with you. You guys would have a field day with Dotard's 70 word vocabulary!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)She was horrified by his election.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)wryter2000
(46,051 posts)That one makes me want to scream
TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)She was also hard-core and I'm glad, frankly.
As a result of my upbringing, my son tells me I'm a grammar nazi. I can live with that.
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)He knows you care that he doesn't speak like a moron!
TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)And a socialist. He believes language is always evolving (which is true, of course) and that grammar rules are a way to oppress the poor and less-educated (which may be true? I don't know.). I remind him that my mother was the daughter of immigrants and knew the value of speaking properly. He seems to think that proves his point.
That kid. I do love him.
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)he is a grammar Nazi now and I understand when other people roll their eyes after being chastised by him. I hate it the most when he corrects me!! LOL!
frazzled
(18,402 posts)I hear it all the timein conversations, on TV, even in the moviesand from people who should know better. It's inexcusable because it's so easy to get right that there is no excuse at all to get it wrong.
Just drop the other person's name and you'll easily see whether to use I or me:
Mom made John and me an extra-special dinner.
If John weren't there you'd say "Mom made me ..." , not "Mom made I ..."!
ProfessorGAC
(65,069 posts)Sorry, i just had to.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)samnsara
(17,622 posts)...it turns out sounding like 'mean'....'me and john'= 'Mean john'...
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Very noticeable to those of us who are older. At a young age we were taught penmanship, spelling and grammar.
Today those topics don't seem important. And the rapid and brief response communication modalities (internet and social media) seem to preclude editing or review.
Language usage is not carved in stone, it changes over time.
I am seeing a significant change in my lifetime.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)When the First Edition of Webster's New International Dictionary (1909) was produced, the editorial board was attempting to codify correct spelling and usage of words which included correct grammar.
The Websters New International Dictionary (second edition, 1934) continued that intention.When the Third Edition was being developed, the scholars made a change in philosophy. Rather than deciding which usage was more "correct" they provided definitions in the order of most common usage and introduced new usage and new words into their lists. Part of this choice was determined by the feeling that "correct" English usage was already covered in the Second Edition of 1934 so that edition was (and is still) considered to be definitive for classic English grammar.
The Third Edition, on the other hand, was used to demonstrate how the language had evolved. I was in Library Science School in the early 1970s and that edition was still extremely controversial. The professor I had for Reference recommended that any library that had the room and the budget should keep both editions out for the use of their patrons.
In the early 1960s, Webster's Third came under attack for its "permissiveness" and its failure to tell people what proper English was. It was the opening shot in the culture wars, as conservatives detected yet another symbol of the permissiveness of society as a whole and the decline of authority, as represented by the Second Edition.[8] As historian Herbert Morton explained, "Webster's Second was more than respected. It was accepted as the ultimate authority on meaning and usage and its preeminence was virtually unchallenged in the United States. It did not provoke controversies, it settled them." Critics charged that the [Webster's Third] dictionary was reluctant to defend standard English, for example entirely eliminating the labels "colloquial", "correct", "incorrect", "proper", "improper", "erroneous", "humorous", "jocular", "poetic", and "contemptuous", among others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster%27s_Third_New_International_Dictionary#Permissiveness
Over the past thirty years the pace at which language has evolved has accelerated - to the point that a printed dictionary could not be expected to keep up. An advantage for the internet is that many sources can be referenced and vast quantities of information cross-referenced easily, something that could only bee dreamed about when I was studying references back in the day.
As an example, Wikitionary can not only keep up with the most current usages and definitions, it can also provide scans of the pages from the 1913 edition of Webster's New International Dictionary for people to consult: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Webster_1913
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster%27s_Dictionary#Webster.27s_New_International_Dictionary_1909
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster%27s_Third_New_International_Dictionary
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Interesting, we can pinpoint the origins of the major shift in language usage. People given more power to alter the rules of language.
Somewhat ironic, the more widespread the availability of grammar and spelling rules via the internet, the more they are ignored. Personally, I tend to dislike a rigid rule set which makes me feel fenced in and restricted. However, the purpose of language rules I would think is to promote clarity and comprehension. When reading material written in the new style, with little adherence to standard language rules, it leaves me trying to guess at the meaning of the content.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Barely noticeable over time.
I read a lot of old wills, letters and documents as part of genealogical research. Spelling and grammar are widely variable over most of the time period I have covered - 1600 to current day. Around 1850-1900 usage became more standardized depending on the person and their educational level but prior to that the variations in use and spelling resembled what we see today on the internet to an amazing degree.
Since computerized grammar and spellcheck software tend to be "learning" from current usage they will not standardize usage to the old norms. They may create new norms but I doubt it - they tend to learn from average users, not from the erudite ones so will trend towards the less rather than more educated usage.
I don't really see anything wrong with this. Language should reflect the actual use rather than some artificial construct of ideal usage - so long as clarity is retained. All clarity and comprehension needs is a common basis of usage.
On the other hand, variation in usage in different groups add spice to our language. As an example, the language usage by the young man in this story is decidedly non-standard English but his use of language certainly livens the story and enhances his narrative!
This 12-Year-Olds Girlfriend Told Him That He Made Her Pregnant, And He Had The Best Response Ever
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Good point.
Most of our ancestors, even recent ones in terms of historic time, were illiterate. Probably why our grandparents and parents saw correct penmanship, spelling and grammar as a privilege and point of pride. Once the majority of the population became literate, pride of language no longer important. So those traits no longer exist in terms of language usage. Except by a small group of wordsmiths, people who make a living putting one word in front of another.
I have given up on the notion of common basis of usage. Instead I think of it as two similar but separate languages. The new style is like a foreign language, and sometimes I have to ask a young person for a translation.
Thanks for the attached narrative.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,009 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)See that all the time here.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Won't name names, but it happens all the time.
Alea
(706 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Alea
(706 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)All good.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I'm not sure a single mistake is indicative of anything other than haste.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Too funny.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)doc03
(35,345 posts)people I ever met used perfect grammar.
And people entirely unable to "think outside the box."
I've encountered a few Evangelic Christian "young earth" Creationists in that category.
They are very good at following THE RULES, especially rules that make no sense.
doc03
(35,345 posts)to do with slavery it was "States Rights". I said yes a state's right to have slaves. I asked her just what were those "States Rights"
they were fighting over other than slavery and she was lost for words. Only that she was a teacher for 40 something years and knew
more about it than me.
underpants
(182,826 posts)MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)dangerously!!!
underpants
(182,826 posts)MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)Stop it!
underpants
(182,826 posts)MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)underpants
(182,826 posts)You're a good sport.
reflection
(6,286 posts)kag
(4,079 posts)My husband laughs at me because I constantly correct the grammar of people on TV.
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)these grammatical mistakes, but I've learned to live with it. The one thing I can't stand is when a noun is used as an adjective to promote idiot America.
I believe the day is coming when someone will use the term "Democrat Party" and I'll grab him/her by the neck and tell him/her, nicely of course, it's the Democratic Party, you illiterate dirtbag.
TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)Is why Republicans seem to believe that using "Democrat" instead of "Democratic" party is an insult. Why do they do that? They seem to think it's clever, but I can't figure out why.
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)and they have an aversion to the word "democratic." Here's one take on the subject:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-sees-subtle-dig-in-republicans-who-say-democrat-instead-of-democratic/
Also, an old thread from DU
https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7623802
Glorfindel
(9,730 posts)NOT GOP, NOT Republicans, just repukes. Even that is more than they deserve.
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)Saw another one on the DU thread.. repubic and that's also more than they deserve.
underpants
(182,826 posts)Limbaugh says it all the time.
Their world (especially talk radio) is one of inside "jokes" and legend/lore that is hard to understand at first by an outsider. Yes I take one for the team and listen some. The first 10-15 minutes of Hannity's show both incredibly dullard and littered with so many references/jokes/code words it's almost like another language.
phylny
(8,380 posts)On occasion I correct him and tell him it "makes you appear to be uneducated."
Neema
(1,151 posts)drive me nuts.
TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)but I may have to leave it. I can only listen to nails on a blackboard for so long. You people are killing me!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)It's the deliberate misuse that's killing me.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Although I will give them some credit for saying "Your an idiot" versus "Your a idiot."
tymorial
(3,433 posts)The same with affect and effect.
Spell correct can cause the misuse.
The rest of the list however grinds my gears. Especially alot, then/than, and the persistent use of like and um.
NNadir
(33,525 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 7, 2017, 05:57 AM - Edit history (1)
I am old enough to remember a time when we did not have computers, and many of us, not even those historical devices called "typewriters."
As an old man, who types and reads very fast, I make them all the time, particularly when writing. Either I think faster than I type, or I'm completely senile.
I don't have much use for people who confuse typos with intelligence and education though.
TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)They just happen sometimes.
QED
(2,747 posts)I checked a dictionary and that didn't help.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)It's ColOmbia, nor ColUmbia.
That one irritates me more than it should.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)I assumed it was going to be a slow news day.
Break -- like breaking news, or break a window
Brake -- the mechanism that stops your car
MichMan
(11,932 posts)I am a member of quite a few automotive forums. People are always posting about having problems stopping their car because the breaks are acting up.
I feel like replying "Did you break your brakes?" but restrain myself as I don't want to be that guy
petronius
(26,602 posts)Rather than "peak." But what do I know? I speak good English, so I don't make these mistakes alot...
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Either the author left out a word or he's just plain wrong as far as I'm concerned.
SaintLouisBlues
(1,244 posts)would have? I just stop reading at that point.
spooky3
(34,458 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)cloudbase
(5,520 posts)with her boyfriend wearing a dress.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)If you're standing, are you on your feet?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Some of us care about the English language?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)samnsara
(17,622 posts)..English teachers! So when we hear bad grammar it dredges up visions....
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Mendocino
(7,495 posts)It's not noone or no-one. Noone always reminds me of Peter Noone or Danny Noonan.
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Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)Oneironaut
(5,504 posts)I've always found correcting peoples' grammar (especially in real life) to be 1000x more annoying than the original mistake. It's usually obvious what the person meant. On the other hand, grammar nitpickers are 9 times out of 10 pretentious douches.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)EarthFirst
(2,900 posts)You did what?
This one drives me up the wall!
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)and all of a sudden starts saying "I seen" because she is hanging around with kids saying "I seen."
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)Me and him had lunch. Could anything be more ignorant?
OTOH I make a lot of those mistakes the way one would a typo. I know the difference perfectly well. Occasionally I miss one in proof reading.
What really stumbles me is lose versus loose and choose versus chose.
Initech
(100,080 posts)nuxvomica
(12,429 posts)Clueless Leader read this as part of his weekly address:
"When the shooting began, a mother laid on top of her daughter to shield her from gunfire."
I should be "lay" not "laid". I don't know why people can't get that right. But it may not be Clueless Leader's fault. I bet the speech was written by known idiot Stephen Miller.
JoeStuckInOH
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