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HipChick

(25,485 posts)
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 06:27 PM Oct 2017

Cops execute black male for riding his bike without a light...

DA cleared cop involved..



Disturbing footage of another policeman killing an unarmed black man has surfaced after the Salt Lake City district attorney cleared the cop involved, ruling that the use of deadly force was justified.

The Wednesday ruling dropped the charges against the cop who shot 50-year-old Patrick Harmon around 1o:05 on the evening of August 13, after pulling him over on his bike for riding without a light and crossing several lanes of traffic, according to prosecutors.
As Harmon runs from the scene, Fox can be heard yelling “I’ll fucking shoot you!”

Fox told investigators that he “felt terrified by how close Mr. Harmon was to the officers,” according to the Salt Lake Tribune. The district attorney’s office released a photo of a knife, taken by investigators at the scene, that Harmon was allegedly wielding.

Protesters had demanded the footage be released, and as of Friday there was no organized response to the ruling.
“They just murdered him flat-out,” said Alisha Shaw, Harmon’s niece, according to the Guardian, which reported first on Harmon’s death. “They are lying. There is no way they were threatened by anything. He was only trying to get away.”
https://news.vice.com/story/another-cop-got-away-with-shooting-an-unarmed-black-man-in-the-back?utm_source=vicetwitterus
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Cops execute black male for riding his bike without a light... (Original Post) HipChick Oct 2017 OP
And as of today the FBI says self identifying as black makes you a terrorist. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #1
Is that true? ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #2
Yep Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #3
actual link... druidity33 Oct 2017 #15
HOLY SHIT!!!! ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #23
Im with you. Seriously! California_Republic Oct 2017 #30
'Black Identity Extremists' whathehell Oct 2017 #32
It means protests are for White People, and anyone else is a terrorist. Volaris Oct 2017 #33
That's an incredibly extreme position.. whathehell Oct 2017 #43
Well you know that and I know that because we're not stupid Volaris Oct 2017 #47
Of course...n/t. whathehell Oct 2017 #54
Hyperbole? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #52
Cold blooded murder malaise Oct 2017 #4
it seems that way rockfordfile Oct 2017 #17
So sick of CHICKEN SHIT COPS!!! hexola Oct 2017 #5
Actually, . . . PdxSean Oct 2017 #6
And it justifies being shot in the back how? HipChick Oct 2017 #7
Because running away with a knife is clearly more of a threat Volaris Oct 2017 #34
It's common practice for cops to carry a drop weapon, he may doc03 Oct 2017 #9
Other than your friends anecdotal thoughts from 40 years ago, do you have any support for the claim ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #14
I am not saying everyone does it but it certainly is done. doc03 Oct 2017 #22
Clarendon: SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #25
Sorry for being difficult ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #31
I trust that the corrupt deputy sheriff lapucelle Oct 2017 #21
He passed away years ago and I know he wasn't alone in carrying a drop weapon. doc03 Oct 2017 #24
I think you're referring to the Stockley case. lapucelle Oct 2017 #46
No, it's not "common practice" Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #48
How do you pull a knife when your hands are tied behind your back? The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #10
His hands were not tied behind his back.. But it looks like doc03 Oct 2017 #11
Yes you are right he was handcuffed aftet he was shot and dying. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #12
Executed? that would be murder rockfordfile Oct 2017 #19
Doesnt matter WinstonSmith00 Oct 2017 #38
Bullshit Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #50
NO!! FUCK NO !!! After all these shooting I don't believe someone is giving the DA's the benefit of uponit7771 Oct 2017 #39
My apologies for not using the sarcasm icon. PdxSean Oct 2017 #55
Here's the story lapucelle Oct 2017 #8
This is why sports players kneel during the Anthem. Dawson Leery Oct 2017 #13
If this man stopped and turned around with a knife he would of been shot in the front.......... Old Vet Oct 2017 #16
Looks as bad as the Walter Scott murder in SC aikoaiko Oct 2017 #18
Exactly SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #26
I have to agree. DFW Oct 2017 #44
At least his shooter will serve jail time. joshcryer Oct 2017 #45
Need outside DAs to investigate cop killings sharedvalues Oct 2017 #20
Yep and that should be run out of the Federal District PAs Office, Volaris Oct 2017 #35
YES !! Good idea, this should go to someone who has ear for this uponit7771 Oct 2017 #40
You can say this again after every cop killing sharedvalues Oct 2017 #42
It's never not open season on black people by the police in America. MrScorpio Oct 2017 #27
Will this shit never end ? nocalflea Oct 2017 #28
I am so sick..... Brave-newworld Oct 2017 #29
What is also disgusting is that they were not even trying to help him. Doreen Oct 2017 #36
I'm not sure that's accurate. lapucelle Oct 2017 #56
Only cowards need guns WinstonSmith00 Oct 2017 #37
... lapucelle Oct 2017 #57
35 seconds into the vid he stops and turns around. I'm not making judgment either way Alea Oct 2017 #41
Yeah, the fact that he turns around is the issue Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #49
Is it bad that I dont have the courage to watch the video? Calista241 Oct 2017 #51
this should have at least have been viewed by a grand jury. nt oasis Oct 2017 #53

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
1. And as of today the FBI says self identifying as black makes you a terrorist.
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 06:32 PM
Oct 2017

So, what we need is the UN to invade and take over.

California_Republic

(1,826 posts)
30. Im with you. Seriously!
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 09:05 PM
Oct 2017

Is that f@cking real?

How can that be? ??

“ I fear for my life”. You say that .... and the cop can do anything ....what? Lost!....

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
33. It means protests are for White People, and anyone else is a terrorist.
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 09:36 PM
Oct 2017

Because Creon and Antigone, 3000 years later, and The State STILL overreacts, always.
Heh gawd were dumb...

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
47. Well you know that and I know that because we're not stupid
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 09:47 AM
Oct 2017

Somebody should tell Jeff Sessions that, maybe?

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
5. So sick of CHICKEN SHIT COPS!!!
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 06:41 PM
Oct 2017

If you're to frightened to do the job - quit.

I hope this blows up...

PdxSean

(574 posts)
6. Actually, . . .
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 06:50 PM
Oct 2017

The official story is that he was executed for pulling a knife while running away from police. As to whether he actually pulled a knife is unknown because the DA chose not to let a grand jury review all body cam videos. The one, murky, jerky video is unclear.

My cynical view is that the cop either found a knife on him and used it as an excuse, or the truly cynical view is that the knife was planted on him. However, it is just as possible that the events played out as the cops say. Unfortunately, the DA didn’t trust that a grand jury would support his personal findings.

doc03

(35,345 posts)
9. It's common practice for cops to carry a drop weapon, he may
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 07:07 PM
Oct 2017

not have had anything. A friend of mine took law enforcement training back in the 70s. He
told me they were told to carry a drop weapon just in case they make a bad shooting. He was a
deputy Sheriff, he carried a switchblade knife in his sock. I don't figure they were actually told to
do it just that you know some cops do wink wink.

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
14. Other than your friends anecdotal thoughts from 40 years ago, do you have any support for the claim
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 07:34 PM
Oct 2017

That it is "common practice" for police (apparently nationwide based on your post) to carry a drop weapon?

doc03

(35,345 posts)
22. I am not saying everyone does it but it certainly is done.
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 08:18 PM
Oct 2017

Watch some of the police shows on TV or a movie, you see that depicted quite often. They didn't just come up with that
out of thin air. A more politically correct term for a drop weapon is a back-up weapon. There are bad cops just like there
are bad people in every field. I think good cops many times cover for the bad ones.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
25. Clarendon:
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 08:51 PM
Oct 2017

It’s common knowledge that it’s common practice.
And I personally know of cases where it has occurred in the recent past.

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
31. Sorry for being difficult
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 09:11 PM
Oct 2017

But a "common knowledge" claim isn't particularly convincing. Someone claims a friend said this happened 30-40 years ago, and now you said it happened in the "recent past" without anything more, and nobody points to concrete evidence, and certainly nothing that supports the idea that this is a common practice for police across the US.

And I'm not claiming it doesn't happen, just that we should ask for evidence to support the frequency.

On second edit, I'm not defending the murdering cops either. Those folks should be in prison.

doc03

(35,345 posts)
24. He passed away years ago and I know he wasn't alone in carrying a drop weapon.
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 08:35 PM
Oct 2017

I just read of a case on DU like a week ago where a cop wasn't charged in a shooting. His claim was the
victim had a gun but the cops DNA was found on the weapon and not the victim's.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
48. No, it's not "common practice"
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 09:55 AM
Oct 2017

That's a total lie.

I was a deputy sheriff for 10 years and still am in a related field.

Not only is it not "common practice" but the truth is that in most every agency you are only allowed to carry on duty a firearm you have qualified that year with, on the roster by serial number, and being caught with any other gun on duty is a fireable offense.

A "switchblade in his sock"? Quit watching so damm many movies and confusing them with reality. Have you ever tried to carry something as heavy as a knife in a sock for an 8-12 hour shift? It's not just very uncomfortable but it will fall out as you walk to run- and on top of that within a week or two be so rusted from sweat it would probably not even open.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
12. Yes you are right he was handcuffed aftet he was shot and dying.
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 07:22 PM
Oct 2017

He bolted before they could finish. I guess its ok to shoot someone in the back while they are running away.

 

WinstonSmith00

(228 posts)
38. Doesnt matter
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 10:26 PM
Oct 2017

A knife is no threat to an officer if they are properly trained. Especially from a suspect who is trying to flee.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
50. Bullshit
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 10:07 AM
Oct 2017

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

A knife can inflict a deadly blow very fast- the general rule is that if an attacker is within 21 feet of you with a knife they stand a 50-50 chance of stabbing you before you can react fast enough to stop them.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
39. NO!! FUCK NO !!! After all these shooting I don't believe someone is giving the DA's the benefit of
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 10:29 PM
Oct 2017

... the doubt !!

They've lied SO MANY TIMES !!

There's NO REASON not to release the other 2 body cams !!!

Come on man

PdxSean

(574 posts)
55. My apologies for not using the sarcasm icon.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 11:50 AM
Oct 2017

I try to be most cautious when I’m feeling most cynical. With few exceptions, DAs only release body cams when it helps their “clients,” i.e. police officers.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
16. If this man stopped and turned around with a knife he would of been shot in the front..........
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 07:42 PM
Oct 2017

From my UN-professional eye this event does not add up, IMO the man didn't have time to pull and open a knife, Just six seconds that's all, for deadly force to be used. I agree 100%, I just watched a man get murdered, He was just trying to get away, They knew who he was and definitely could of caught him that night or another time.

DFW

(54,403 posts)
44. I have to agree.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 07:47 AM
Oct 2017

The cop just snapped and wanted to kill. And he appears to have gotten away with it.

When will this stop? When murdering cops get arrested for being murdering cops, that's when.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
20. Need outside DAs to investigate cop killings
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 07:53 PM
Oct 2017

DAs work with cops all the time. When one of their colleague cops shoots someone, DAs have HUGE conflicts of interest.

We must bring in outside cops to investigate alleged cop misconduct.
We must bring in outside DAs to prosecute alleged cop misconduct.

And when a civil judgement is paid against a cop, the cop must pay some of the judgement, instead of local taxpayers paying off cop misconduct.
Cops have no skin in the game - a civil judgement against them means only taxpayers pay. Good deal for crooked cops.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
35. Yep and that should be run out of the Federal District PAs Office,
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 09:47 PM
Oct 2017

We have to stop fucking around with this. It's a Nationwide problem and therefore requires a Federal remedy, not a local one.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
42. You can say this again after every cop killing
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:43 AM
Oct 2017

Some cop killings are justified. Some are misconduct. We need better investigations.

 

Brave-newworld

(10 posts)
29. I am so sick.....
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 09:03 PM
Oct 2017

I am so sick of it now becoming legal to just shoot and kill black men just for existing. If this shit was happening to young white girls they would be tarred and feathered like you wouldnt believe! Stop attacking us, stop it! Goddamn it, actually send cops to jail for this! This is a human rights abuse!! Where's the UN???

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
36. What is also disgusting is that they were not even trying to help him.
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 09:59 PM
Oct 2017

They just cuffed him and checked his pocket. What the fuck were they looking for? looked like a plant to me.

lapucelle

(18,268 posts)
56. I'm not sure that's accurate.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:12 PM
Oct 2017
"Body camera footage shows officers administering medical attention and saying, 'Patrick, stay with us.'"
.

htp://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/10/04/da-clears-salt-lake-city-police-officer-in-deadly-shooting/

Alea

(706 posts)
41. 35 seconds into the vid he stops and turns around. I'm not making judgment either way
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 11:03 PM
Oct 2017

This is from a second body camera but in the op vid he turns at 35 seconds. Watch at 1/2 speed



I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS JUSTIFIED

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
49. Yeah, the fact that he turns around is the issue
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 10:05 AM
Oct 2017

If he turned back toward the officers with a knife in his hand- big if- then use of deadly force was justified.



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