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Is the current administration and total control off government a step toward an even darker and more dystopian America?
Is the current administration the culmination of what a few billionaires have convinced millions of ignorant Americans to vote for? Is this what they wanted?
Is the current administration an aberration? A mistake that will be corrected in the next few election cycles?
Is it all something else?
Personally, I want to think it is the third choice, but fear it is the first or second choice.
C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)rzemanfl
(29,569 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)rzemanfl
(29,569 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)So, I believe there may still be a shot at saving our democracy.
treestar
(82,383 posts)about getting out to vote and about giving up the idea that someone can come and remake Washington. Getting involved rather than sitting back and complaining.
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)and charismatic and a good speaker. Trump is Hindenberg and the true Hitler figure is coming down the pipeline. But Trump is setting stage for easy take over.
Loge23
(3,922 posts)The disease is widespread throughout the country.
The disease is ignorance, and this country has become incredibly stupid.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Our Presidential elections are a joke. Between the Russian interference and the director of the FBI dropping a partisan political bomb on the Democratic nominee days befire the election.
This presidency is illegitimate.
Our elected officials are increasingly funded and "owned" by monied interests.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Cromwell in England leaps to mind.
Hitler, Lenin, Mussolini, Putin, and Franco all have in common that they came to power in nations that did not have modern democratic traditions of any great length -- a decade or so perhaps. We have about 240 years of democratic traditions (albeit flawed ones).
Having said all of that, I see these issues:
- Post WWII, white suburban America came into being, and it (as a population segment) has enjoyed an unprecedented run of prosperity. Sure, it's had ups and downs; put compared to Pre WW II America, these folks have it very good. Law, order, nice yards, good schools, lower crime rates. Constitutional freedom and fairness seem very abstract to these folks. Law, order, church, access to big box stores, and keeping whatever weirdness you are into hidden seems to make for a pleasant lifestyle. This is a group that, all and all, sees a more authoritarian government as a good thing as long as their taxes don't go up.
- Despite schools and economists telling America since the 70s that we were headed toward a service economy, now that we've arrived, people are in shock. Despite schools and economists telling people that you'd need education beyond high school, many Americans chose to ignore that. They are unprepared for an economy that isn't based on steel mills and coal mines, and are desperate for a return to the good old days. If you think it's bad now - give it time. Those truckers that Donald Trump sees as the life blood of America will be (most likely) unemployed in droves in a decade as drivers are replaced by robots.
- Over representation and the diversity gap. We all took civics, and we understand that the whole point of the Senate is to level the playing field between the big and small states. However, the degree of "out of level" has gotten absurd -- to the point that DC has more people than Wyoming and Vermont. Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties in Florida combine to have a population (based on 2015 figures) greater than the states of North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Montana. The differences are two fold: 1) the four states get 8 senators; the three counties share two with the rest of Florida and 2) Dade/ Broward/ Palm Beach are very diverse, and virtually all races are represented; I'm not exaggerating when I say that there are parts of those four states where it is not uncommon to go a day and not see a non-white face (especially outside of larger towns like Omaha, Lincoln, Fargo, Sioux Falls). Unless/until states like Florida, California, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New York, and Texas break up into smaller states, and until we admit Puerto Rico and DC as states, the Senate won't truly represent the US as a whole. That makes for continued over representation of white conservatives in 1/2 our legislature.
Crunchy Frog
(26,639 posts)This is what the billionaires and their think tanks have been working towards, but they're by no means finished, and I don't see anyone stopping them.
Baconator
(1,459 posts)It could have been him or a few others who just fell onto what was already there.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Trump is the result of Republican rhetoric, strategy and policies going back to the Nixon years. Whether things will get better post-Trump will depend on voter turnout, Democrats becoming a more forceful opposition with backbone, and how well we combat bigotry - particularly racism (as that is the tie that binds the Republican electorate; it's the primary play in the GOP playbook).
CK_John
(10,005 posts)We will need to get use to a whole group of people who have the money and the the ability to control the public and who are all over the political sphere.
I think it will take about 40 years to get back to a new norm considered government by the people.