Hillary Clinton is the greatest "candidate" who ever ran for the WH. or the most qualified

[Eliot Rosewater]

She and her husband do more for those in need in one day than any 200 average people do in their lifetimes combined.

Hillary and her husband do more for those in need IN ONE DAY than the entire trump extended family will do in ten lifetimes.

Turns out we dont deserve her as president, we deserve the piece of shit racist pile of human garbage who is now destroying the entire world.


We dont? Then how in the fuck did we let him get close enough to use the KGB to steal the election?

He rapes women, for christ sake.


(There were better candidates as to charisma, but she was the most qualified)

[Demsrule86]

1. Indeed...both Clintons are great people.

[BainsBane]

2. I wouldn't say that

but she is the most qualified.

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. Yeah, you are right, i will edit

That is what I meant to say and flubbed it.

[Voltaire2]

4. By her own admission she was not a great candidate.

She was very qualified. That she lost was an unmitigated disaster.

[StevieM]

5. Her admission is incorrect. She was a great candidate who ran a great race.

That's why she had the election won, by a decisive margin, even after the FBI rigged the election back in July by deceiving the American people into believing that she had somehow broken the law and gotten away with it. Then they rigged it a second time with 11 days to go.

[susanna]

23. I hope Mr. Comey considers his actions every single f*ing day.

Because he should. He ended up losing his job, and I won't lie and say I was sad...he tried to play both sides against the middle and got called out. Had he truly played it straight, we would not be here.

Seriously: I'm an integrity/honor scold in my own life, and freely admit it, but I know when to say "wtf, this is bullshit and I'm out."

Comey either didn't understand that, or chose not to. I know where my thoughts lie.

So here we are, with this unfit and unqualified person deciding the life and death of others.

Yeah, I am sick beyond imagining.

Comey deserves all that he is reaping for himself. (And I hold no joy in that, for the record.)

But none of the rest of America deserves this constantly unfolding nightmare.

We, The People, voted correctly.

[Exultant Democracy]

7. The real HRC would have been great

Her staff managed to do her a major disservice both in 2008 and 2016. Leon Panetta was a great choice but she was too loyal to her people to let him clean house when he wanted to.

As for most qualified she is way up that list, top 5 no question. Ironically the most qualified person, based on previous experience, to run for the office was Hoover, ha.

[Kentonio]

35. She is responsible for picking her staff

You can't just push the blame onto them.

[Exultant Democracy]

44. Sure, buck stop there. But

If she had cleaned house after 2008 and restaffed with Obama people I have no doubt she would have won. When you look at what got fucked it was always at the senior staff level with longtime aids she took on in the 90’s for the most part. Even the damn emails weren’t her idea, that was Mills.

[Kentonio]

45. I'm torn on it

I think her main issue was not allowing a clear and consistent management structure. There were supposedly lots of internal struggles for power amongst her closest aides, and issues with access to the candidate and so on.

It still bugs me the bit they described in Shattered where they absorbed that grassroots program and then basically pushed out the leaders who had dedicated so much time and energy to the cause. It felt like some of the campaign managers cared more about retaining the control they jealously guarded rather than working as a real team.

[StevieM]

51. The book Shattered is a ridiculous account of 2016. They describe a campaign that nobody from the

campaign recognizes. They jump at every opportunity to find fault with HRC and often get their facts wrong.

[Kentonio]

63. Sorry, but my reading was extremely different to yours.

Its worth remembering that they wrote most of that book expecting Hillary to win.

As for the content, it reads like basically any other political campaign account. Of course people are going to deny the stuff that makes them look bad, but they really werent particularly hard on Hillary all things considered. I actually came away afterwards feeling more sympathy and liking towards her than I have for a considerable amount of time.

The only person who could consider themselves seriously hit hard by the book is Robbie Mook.

[StevieM]

53. She restaffed with a lot of people, including Obama people, after 2008.

Nothing her staff did prevented her from winning in a landslide, which she would have without a completely corrupted FBI.

[Exultant Democracy]

70. Wait she fired Mills and Huma, shocking

Because when I looked at her staff, the inner circle was mostly the same fuck ups. She jettisoned a few terrible choices like mark Penn from 2008 and Leon Panetta was a great choice for 2016 (and he tried to clean house but HRC was too loyal to show anyone the door) but Robbie Mook fucked her almost as hard with his mismanagement as Mills did with the emails.

Every dem running for POTUS has know for a fact since 2000 that of the race is close enough that the republican would steal it. There is a reason the SEIU and Obama’s team were screaming bloody murder about putting bodies into Iowa and the rest of the “expanded map.”

[StevieM]

71. Iowa is historically a battleground state. And they wouldn't have objected had it not been for

the Comey intervention. In other words, you can argue that she failed to accept the damage that was done by the corrupt FBI rigging the race, for a second time. But that is not the same argument that you seem to be making.

Mook and Company couldn't have done too bad a job if she was about to win by a wide margin until the FBI intervened on behalf of the GOP--for the second time.

Hillary actually had more staffers in Wisconsin than Obama did in 2012. Meanwhile, Trump had a lot less than Romney did. More staffers isn't what she needed to win. What she needed was an FBI that was not launching an assault on democracy.

[ProudLib72]

8. He raped our election and is raping our country

His supporters tell us it is inevitable, so we must lay back and enjoy it.

[slumcamper]

9. I share your angst but FFS!

Here we are--damned near a year since we LOST. Multi-MILLIONS of tweets and posts of lamentation do nothing but air the same old, tired grievance. I grieve too. But for fuck's sake, we gotta turn the page and focus our efforts on doing what we have to do to crush the illegitimate power that arose and is smothering out progress. Crying over Clinton and her loss--in spite of all she might have been--is wasted energy. Get with the program.

[Ken Burch]

10. Wise words.

Now, it's about ideas, dialog, listening, seeking common ground among the progressive, positive majority.

[slumcamper]

12. Indeed. (((deeeep))) sigh.

We need to focus on each other and a progressive vision for our children, our country, our world; reaching out, building bridges--and actively challenging (not merely resisting) the forces that impede the course of social and economic progress.

[leftofcool]

30. We are with the program. We are Hillary Democrats and will remain so

If that is a problem for you then don't read our posts. There is also the ignore button.

[stonecutter357]

32. NEVER .........you get with the program.

[shanny]

37. Amen.

[StevieM]

56. I am not going to recognize the legitimacy of James Comey turning the page so that he could write

the name Neil Gorsuch on the next page.

[NurseJackie]

13. I'm still heartbroken. Hillary makes me so proud to be a Democrat.

[slumcamper]

17. Summoning strength from a broken heart is hard.

All of us share the struggle. You can do it; we must do it.

Overcome it for the sake of "Stronger Together."

You can. And "Yes we can."

[Ken Burch]

14. What are you trying to convey by putting the word "candidate" in scare quotes?

I agree that it's sad that she wasn't elected president, but I don't know what you were going with that bit of punctuation.

[George II]

15. She is the best candidate that was ever on the ballot, ever. "Scare quotes"?

[Ken Burch]

16. when people put quotes around a single word like that, it often implies that there's some reason

to question the meaning and sincerity of the word.

It just struck me as an odd choice.

I agree that she was a fine candidate. That's why I campaigned for he in the fall.

Do we really need to get into a thing of HOW superior she is?

At this point, what pupose does that serves?

[Skittles]

20. what purpose?

pointing out that the most qualified person ever to run for president - a woman, was held to impossible standards, lost to the least qualified person ever to run, someone who was held to no standards at all

IT CANNOT BE STATED ENOUGH

[susanna]

24. THIS (with fifty UP arrows which can't be borne these days)

Thank you, Skittles.

[George II]

65. You're reading way to much into this.

[Skittles]

66. OMG George II

for a minute with my bad peepers I thought you were replying to ME

I was fixing to do a major ass kicking!!!

[George II]

67. Sorry, there have been so many responses I hope I didn't make that mistake!

[Eliot Rosewater]

47. I thought I was on Democratic Underground. This is fucking sad.

[left-of-center2012]

19. I kind of like FDR

Just sayin'

[shanny]

39. Good point.

[HughBeaumont]

49. And Obama.

You know, two candidates that WON and made this country better.

[left-of-center2012]

61. And I still like Jimmy Carter

Even more so in his post-Presidential years.

[HughBeaumont]

69. Carter got railroaded so badly.

He didn't give an inch to the Ayatollah . . . while "The Great Communicator"s administration made him a partner in treason.

[lunamagica]

21. ICAM! I'm still grieving, and will grieve for as long as I need to grieve

[Awsi Dooger]

22. Favorite Democratic nominee of my lifetime, but some huge blunders

Issue to issue I would trust Hillary to out think and out talk any politician in recent decades, including her husband and Obama. Heck, she bested Obama in the hefty majority of their primary debates.

But like Rachel Maddow, Hillary is far superior on issues than political instincts and why people vote the way they do. That's one reason I'm not a fan of Maddow. A broadcaster needs to be equally balanced on the two aspects, since they'll never be able to put their issues in play. I'm more understanding and forgiving of a politician, who should have a competent is not superb staff to analyze and blend.

* Hillary during the 2008 primaries ignored the Par 3 states and caucuses. That was unforgivable and fatal

* Hillary in 2016 ignored the white male tempest and the states where it would be felt most. That was unforgivable and fatal

* Hillary beginning with the two weeks of Rio commercial onslaught failed to grasp that Trump could absorb virtually anything. He had described it himself with that 5th Avenue comment. I still have Rio events on tape and watch them occasionally. Every time another worthless negative Hillary commercial shows up I go absolutely nuts. Someone on that staff should have attended any PGA event during early to mid 2016 and walked the gallery ropes while listening to gallery members talk about Trump. I suspect the ad campaign would have been markedly different

* Deplorables was a stupid, stupid, stupid remark that does not receive enough attention. That one remark separated Hillary from Obama or her husband, each of whom would have known to avoid anything similar, while actually courting Trump voters instead of belittling them. Then when asked about deplorables, all Hillary had to do was emphasize that she was referring to hate groups, and how dangerous they are, and that the issue means so much to he she got carried away with the "half" nonsense. Instead, her rationalization was every bit as disjointed and weak as the email apologies

* Hillary dominated the debates on a question by question basis, but actually lost ground among voters who decided based on the debates, according to exit polling. I was not surprised in the least. Those debates were ineptly analyzed by the media as a block. Somehow, only the moronic CNN analyst Hugh Hewitt grasped the big picture every time. Hewitt pounced upon the fact that Trump would ramble about job loss in Ohio and other manufacturing states in multiple segments of every debate while Hillary ignored the matter in favor of some lengthy issue dissection. It might as well have been Al Gore with the Dingell Norwood Bill. I wanted to scream every time. Whenever Trump talked about job loss in Ohio it was like a "Cha Ching" toward not only Ohio but all the other states that recognized themselves in Trump's description. It is a good example of Gingrich's summary that Trump knows how to use simple words and themes toward his intended audience

[phleshdef]

25. You are getting into some hyperbole there. She is terrible in the role of Candidate.

But definitely is over the top qualified for the job itself.

She didn't pull it off though. Its over. We need to more forward.

[delisen]

28. We the people who did not fall for Russia propaganda

are moving forward.

Those who fell for Russian propaganda, I expect to be slow to move forward but most will eventually catch up.

[shanny]

40. Y'know, there's something about that:

I read recently that a lot of Russian propaganda was anti-Bernie: the "he's a racist and sexist" crap.

Who was it who fell for that? And have they moved forward?

[KTM]

41. Nope.

They dont move.

[shanny]

42. Sadly true.

[leftofcool]

31. Nope. Until there are apologies made from the right and the left, we will remain where we are.

If a legitimate Democrat is not on the ticket in 2020, we will not be voting.

[Kentonio]

36. You demand apologies from the left

And then say you won't vote in 2020 unless it's a candidate you like. The irony here is overflowing..

[LisaM]

26. I am NEVER going to back off from supporting Gore, Kerry, and HRC.

They would have all served faithfully, ethically, and honestly.

[FakeNoose]

27. +1 For sure - I totally agree

Sad and disappointong that they lost. But the people they lost to are trying to destroy our country.

[democratisphere]

29. drumpf family grifters (us, us and more us)

Clinton Family Givers (Them, them and more them)

[samnsara]

33. she was the most experienced of any candidtate ever...

...and yet we chose the least experienced. what the hells wrong with us?

[Scruffy1]

59. Actually, she wasn't.

Check out Buchanan's resume. But the plain fact is that 60 million voted for the dolt. I think it has more to do with emotion than logic. The powers that be were able to stir up strong emotions in the election cycle. It was classic demagoguery and we did a poor job of puncturing the hot air balloon. Of course he was pumped by the mainstream media and their taking of phony scandals seriously, but there is a lesson to be learned here. A truly bad candidate can defeat a good one if they know how to use the media. It's not the first time, just the latest example and by far the worst ever election to the highest office in US history. I'm not blaming her or anyone else. I don't watch television, but every place I was in that had one had Trump nonstop. He knew how to get his name thrown out constantly and received constant media attention. It was a marketing coup. They only conclusion I can make is that voters don't all vote rationally.

[Mike Nelson]

34. She and her supporters did a fine job...

...difficult to win a "third" Democratic term, after Pres. Obama's two... all campaigns make mistakes. Hillary won the vote by millions, in a country where Democrats need to win big to win at all.

[Kentonio]

38. The personality cult stuff is extremely tiring

She's a politician, and she lost twice. Get over it, find the next leader who might actually win for us.

[ms liberty]

43. She was not the most qualified ever

She wasn't even the most qualified of my lifetime, or of the last 100 years. An accurate statement would be that she had excellent qualifications. We don't have to canonize her to believe it to be a travesty that she did not become President.

[brooklynite]

46. ...nor was she the best candidate ever.

Was a strong supporter of hers and knew a lot of her campaign team. They made serious strategic errors; if they hadn't, the Russian influence might not have affected the outcome.

[Eliot Rosewater]

48. What were the serious errors? Not being able to control FB so they could go on and lie

about her?

Were they supposed to anticipate an onslaught of progressives attacking her and PUTIN attacking her?

[brooklynite]

64. No--they assumed that if you voted for Obama, you'd vote for her...

...in the early days of the campaign, they never made an effort to go door to door and confirm their base voters; instead, they spent a lot of time trying to "expand the map" into places like Georgia and Arizona.

They also wasted a lot of money on TV advertising that focused more on Trump's negatives than on her own message.

[HughBeaumont]

50. +100.

There were a lot of problems with the way she campaigned. Doesn't mean she shouldn't have been president, because, come ON.

Frankly, a lot of America, whether through conditioning or not, simply did not like her.

That's not really her fault, it just IS.

[Eliot Rosewater]

55. If certain folks hadnt spent years lying about her, oh well.

[blm]

52. John Kerry and Al Gore were the most qualified - HRC was up there, but not 'the most'.

All three were prevented from the Oval Office because of a complicit media that worked tirelessly against them.

[Irish_Dem]

54. What about Obama, Thomas Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, JFK???

America has had a number of excellent candidates and leaders.

[heaven05]

57. this

HRC good, trump very bad.....and no one but HRC stood a chance against this POS that is potus today....

[sheshe2]

58. Thanks, Eliot.

I am still with her.

[NastyRiffraff]

60. I weep for the opportunity we lost

There were, of course, many reasons for the tragic loss, so I'm sick of those who constantly bleat about what a "terrible" candidate she was. They delight in ignoring the Comey stunt, the Russian interference, the criminal inaction of Facebook, Twitter, et al, the media giving Dump unfettered advertising, the selfish, childish non-voters and 3rd party voters throwing tantrums, etc. etc.

[Gothmog]

62. K&R

[NNadir]

68. I have tremendous respect for Ms. Clinton, but I wouldn't go that far.

I supported her over Obama in 2008, but she'd have had her work cut out for her if she wished to match his Presidency, were this country a democracy, and had she been seated to the office which the overwhelming majority of Americans wanted.

I don't think Ms. Clinton was necessarily the equivalent of Abraham Lincoln or Franklin Roosevelt.

I note that one of the Presidents who had served as Secretary of State, Senator, and member of the House of Representatives, James Buchanan, is generally regarded as the worst President in US history. He was considered at the time of his election to be one of the most qualified men in history, but the country actually fell apart under his tenure.

This is not to imply that Ms. Clinton would have been a bad President; I believe she would have been outstanding, but the criteria does not in fact mean very much.

Trump is a nepotistic thug with a mind as small as his hands - hopefully we can find appropriate sized handcuffs for him when he goes to prison.