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Wisconsin was hacked. Ex: 2027 votes from a precinct with 277 registered voters... (Original Post) elehhhhna Oct 2017 OP
Something isn't right with this bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #1
Exactly greeny2323 Oct 2017 #5
He just posted it last night . Coincidently Wisconsin took all the voter data off line last night elehhhhna Oct 2017 #6
That's interesting that they took down the data. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #19
The data are tired, and they need a massage. nt NCjack Oct 2017 #126
Something's not right alright. Kingofalldems Oct 2017 #57
actually no....numbers move in election reporting all the time questionseverything Oct 2017 #65
BradBlog says the results are "impossible" and no one can explain them: ucrdem Oct 2017 #69
it is an old example but nothing changes questionseverything Oct 2017 #82
Agree completely. ucrdem Oct 2017 #86
srry for not being clear questionseverything Oct 2017 #114
This is weird Kentonio Oct 2017 #2
We noticed. We discussed it here for weeks. ucrdem Oct 2017 #4
The Wisconsin SoS is Douglas La Follette Kentonio Oct 2017 #11
Dunno but it's a good question. ucrdem Oct 2017 #14
Doug LaFollette has nothing to do with elections dragonlady Oct 2017 #63
Wed Nov 23, 2016: ucrdem Oct 2017 #12
Clinton 16,050 vs. Trump 15,871? An unlikely Republican hack. (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2017 #34
Feingold also won that county ucrdem Oct 2017 #35
shows the result is mathmatically not accurate questionseverything Oct 2017 #85
Unlikely? Nay, more like very subtle. Scoopster Oct 2017 #101
Why? RhodeIslandOne Oct 2017 #110
exactly jodymarie aimee Oct 2017 #51
Oh yes, early voting is a big part of the story. ucrdem Oct 2017 #56
That's what I thought bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #7
all kinds of things go "unnoticed," or at least uncorrected. who really would/could have done anythi TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #50
Janesville is Paul Ryan's hometown Not Ruth Oct 2017 #3
The stats are from precincts, not whole towns elehhhhna Oct 2017 #8
The township of Janesville is west of the city of Janesville... Ellipsis Oct 2017 #16
Go to twitter post, scroll down thread, elehhhhna Oct 2017 #36
Towns are rural and not incorporated Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #42
We don't need registration at all sharedvalues Oct 2017 #45
Hmmmm ghostsinthemachine Oct 2017 #9
So far... it ain't going nowhere. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #18
I checked current numbers from WI board of elections for 2016 for the worst ward Persondem Oct 2017 #10
Yes. There is no Rib Martin....Population of Rib Mountain... Ellipsis Oct 2017 #13
Yeah, there's a reason nobody in the news has picked this up bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #17
Mike Goldfarb is wrong, that's the reason sharedvalues Oct 2017 #22
He found some errors in a database, so donate now. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #39
$$ right into his Republican pockets sharedvalues Oct 2017 #40
Rep Sean Duffy (R) outspoken Trump supporter lives in Weston Wi usaf-vet Oct 2017 #29
When Oh When? colsohlibgal Oct 2017 #15
" Paper ballots with strict security run by a neutral party," - Absolutely! keithbvadu2 Oct 2017 #38
Mike Farb is not trustworthy. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #20
Yeah he pops up on DU every once in a while as some sort of expert. progressoid Oct 2017 #25
he's teasing it on twitter like mad, and raising money. mopinko Oct 2017 #26
GOP strategy: lies to get donations sharedvalues Oct 2017 #41
Do you have a link to the US intelligence community statement denying that votes were hacked? diva77 Oct 2017 #70
Republican activist sure. "Bilious liar" ... he's a republicon Ellipsis Oct 2017 #74
I believe the last name is "Farb" not goldfarb diva77 Oct 2017 #75
Well then that's a horse of a different color. I stand corrected. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #91
Farb doesn't seem trustworthy Links here: sharedvalues Oct 2017 #88
you fucked up... he's not Goldfarb... you should delete your posts. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #94
Open to evidence. Have a link? sharedvalues Oct 2017 #118
dhs said they never checked a single machine questionseverything Oct 2017 #131
...and yet he's not Mike Golfarb. He's Mike Farb from Carnigie Melon Ellipsis Oct 2017 #92
I'm open to evidence they are the same person sharedvalues Oct 2017 #117
Goldfarb and the GOP want to distract from suppression sharedvalues Oct 2017 #21
Goldfarb is neither here nor there. ucrdem Oct 2017 #23
Mike goldFarb IS the major proponent of this sharedvalues Oct 2017 #43
Not really. Michael McDonald of U Florida, Dan Solomon, Susan Eraslan ucrdem Oct 2017 #48
GoldFarb is the one asking for money. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #58
Possibly but it makes no difference to the question of whether WI was hacked. ucrdem Oct 2017 #62
he's done nothing to advance that query. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #64
GoldFarb: "Give me money" sharedvalues Oct 2017 #66
He's not Goldfarb. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #93
Evidence? I'm open sharedvalues Oct 2017 #120
He's not Goldfarb and if you wish to retain any semblance of credibility... you'd delete your posts.. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #97
I don't know who Mike Farb is but I call BS on his numbers onenote Oct 2017 #24
Good points ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #31
Suppression. Donate to https://www.turnoutpac.org sharedvalues Oct 2017 #44
to be fair, the site is crowdsourced, grassroots research diva77 Oct 2017 #76
Nonsense. There is an enormous amount of data on the WEC website onenote Oct 2017 #77
An unverified tweet SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #27
Some of the tweets make no sense gristy Oct 2017 #28
There was a recount in Wisconsin. milestogo Oct 2017 #30
recount was not completed jodymarie aimee Oct 2017 #53
Hogwash. Every county did a recount mythology Oct 2017 #115
NOTHING there. I don't give twitter cookies. Is that it? Just a blue bird. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #32
Donate, donate, donate, .... because ??? L. Coyote Oct 2017 #33
Of course it was and probably also jimlup Oct 2017 #37
The VOTERS were manipulated. Not the votes. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #46
My position is that both happened jimlup Oct 2017 #90
Suppression. Minorities thrown off ballot via Crosscheck sharedvalues Oct 2017 #116
Yes, I don't disagree jimlup Oct 2017 #127
Oh, me too. But control what you can control. sharedvalues Oct 2017 #132
Yes that and Gerrymandering jimlup Oct 2017 #133
republicans and russians overthrowing American democracy Achilleaze Oct 2017 #47
I agree, elehhhhna. fleur-de-lisa Oct 2017 #49
More junk that makes us look like conspiracy theorists, and so easily disproved. Hoyt Oct 2017 #52
Yes.n/t Ellipsis Oct 2017 #54
Clearly a miracle occurred. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #55
Or maybe "Mike Farb" is full of shit onenote Oct 2017 #61
Russians/GOP were successful with lying propaganda sharedvalues Oct 2017 #67
We can hope this is true. It's the Start of proving Russia hacked the voting machines. trueblue2007 Oct 2017 #59
If you read the posts in this thread you'll see it's utter nonsense onenote Oct 2017 #60
I'd like the press to grill SOS La Follette - we need some answers diva77 Oct 2017 #68
As I pointed out above dragonlady Oct 2017 #71
Thank you for this info. - ok-so the Wisconsin Elections Commission needs to be grilled by the media diva77 Oct 2017 #72
They'd bust a gut laughing if they were "grilled' about "Mike Farb's" bogus numbers. onenote Oct 2017 #79
they need to be grilled about using computerized voting machines and tabulators and optiscans diva77 Oct 2017 #80
48 people rec'ed this nonsense? L. Coyote Oct 2017 #73
can u please be more specific as to what the "nonsense" is and what link you consider to be useless diva77 Oct 2017 #78
If you want to believe that Janesville had only 59 registered voters before election day onenote Oct 2017 #81
these are about wards not entire towns as he is saying questionseverything Oct 2017 #84
There is a Town of Janesville and a City of Janesville onenote Oct 2017 #104
IT'S TWITTER FOR GOD'S SAKE!! Kablooie Oct 2017 #83
Spreadsheet: ucrdem Oct 2017 #87
Again -- no source. onenote Oct 2017 #96
It was a summary from Wisconsin vote website Ellipsis Oct 2017 #98
I've looked through that website quite a bit and have not seen any numbers resembling the ones onenote Oct 2017 #99
Apparently they pulled it after all the attention. updated Ellipsis Oct 2017 #100
Pulled what? What page on the website gives the information in the format of that spreadsheet onenote Oct 2017 #103
The original summary pdf. as noted upthread. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #105
It would be great if someone could direct me to where a "summary" page like the one appears onenote Oct 2017 #106
Dude... check the twitter link Ellipsis Oct 2017 #107
The only thing with teeth came from Racine and its being looked into. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #102
no handcounts ,no matter what..that is the clerks message questionseverything Oct 2017 #112
His Twitter feed is flooded with retweets of praise and of his earlier findings, no follow-up though LonePirate Oct 2017 #89
I'm sorry but this is Twitter drama. I'm positive Clintons people took a good look at everything Sunlei Oct 2017 #95
Really? Just like our party looked into 2000 ? Bullshit. elehhhhna Oct 2017 #109
Several of our D Leaders said several times, they checked/investigated & I believe them. Sunlei Oct 2017 #121
is c span credible enough questionseverything Oct 2017 #130
You mean like how the Obama Administration had a feeling the Russians were interfering? RhodeIslandOne Oct 2017 #111
Not True, nothing you said. The White House Obama Archives are online. 1000s of questions & answers Sunlei Oct 2017 #122
And we still got Trump.... RhodeIslandOne Oct 2017 #123
speak for yourself. I didn't get trump, he's the Republicans 'problem'. Rs "damage"for many years Sunlei Oct 2017 #124
Donald Trump narrowly won Wisconsin. Fact. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #108
I believe it was, and other states. I hope it come out in the open. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #113
Russia was busy in WI Botany Oct 2017 #119
so were the two republican funded "spoiler votes" stein & johnson. enjoy Moscowdinner /w Putin Jill? Sunlei Oct 2017 #125
Heck I think Russias busy on this thread elehhhhna Oct 2017 #129
k&r BSdetect Oct 2017 #128

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
1. Something isn't right with this
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:54 AM
Oct 2017

Because if this was true, it would be plastered wall-to-wall on every news site. This many people voting from precincts that had so few registered voters would have thrown up major, major red flags immediately that night.

 

greeny2323

(590 posts)
5. Exactly
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:02 AM
Oct 2017

This is nonsense. And if you were going to hack an election, why would you create such ridiculously detectable numbers?

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
65. actually no....numbers move in election reporting all the time
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:50 PM
Oct 2017
http://bradblog.com/?p=7875#more-7875

nothing ever changes

wisconsin has more votes than voters often enough a "fix" is written into law

they randomly pull out ballots until the votes and how many voters voted matchs

in michigan when there are more votes than voters that precinct cant be recounted,whatever the machine spit outstands

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
69. BradBlog says the results are "impossible" and no one can explain them:
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:12 PM
Oct 2017

From the article you linked to:

As to the impossible May 19th results and the subsequent, staggering change to the final numbers as certified by the county, nobody seems to be able to explain them.

http://bradblog.com/?p=7875#more-7875


Incidentally he's talking about Arkansas, not WI.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
82. it is an old example but nothing changes
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 02:27 AM
Oct 2017

impossible numbers or more votes than voters happen then they move and seem "reasonable" but never any explanation

people acting like it would raise a huge cry on the msm are wrong

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
86. Agree completely.
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 03:26 AM
Oct 2017

This has been going on for a while and this time Trump all but bragged about it.

p.s. I thought you were lobbing a "nothing to see here" at us but must I misread the post above.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
114. srry for not being clear
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 08:26 PM
Oct 2017
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8507

this article is about the prosser/Kloppenburg "recount" which was wisconsin

no chain of custody, clerks delivering less bags of ballots than their paperwork reflects or more ballots being added that were found on a desk (seriously)

nothing from Wisconsin would surprise me
 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
2. This is weird
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:57 AM
Oct 2017

I'd have no problems believing the vote totals were tampered with, but this seems a ridiculous way to do it. Also not convinced they could have done something THIS blatant and no-one notice for a year.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
4. We noticed. We discussed it here for weeks.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:01 AM
Oct 2017

There were naysayers aplenty flooding every thread with "just a glitch" and "nothing to see here" and eventually posts started getting hidden and that was that. As I recall the Wisconsin SOS issued an updated spreadsheet without the obvious anomalies.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
11. The Wisconsin SoS is Douglas La Follette
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:09 AM
Oct 2017

Who is not only a Democrat but also a vocal opponent of undue financial influence on elections. Why would he cover up GOP wrongdoing?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
14. Dunno but it's a good question.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:14 AM
Oct 2017

On the other hand it's to someone's credit that we know even this much. In MI and PA there was much less transparency and a state-wide recount, even an unconvincing one as was carried out in WI, was never completed despite having been legally requested and paid for by candidate Stein.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
63. Doug LaFollette has nothing to do with elections
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:09 PM
Oct 2017

In Wisconsin, unlike most other states, election administration at the state level is not done by the Secretary of State. The Wisconsin Elections Commission oversees and assists local officials who run the elections for their own city, town, county, etc.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
35. Feingold also won that county
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 11:04 AM
Oct 2017

but lost the election. Odd, yes, but the point is that the three vote totals don't match. This was captured before they were corrected and raised enough doubts about the WI vote reporting to lead to immediate demands for a recount:


11/22/16 - MSNBC

Scientists call for swing state recounts

A group of computer scientists are urging Hillary Clinton to ask for a recount, claiming voting irregularities surfaced in three swing states. Gabe Sherman joins MSNBC's Ari Melber to share his reporting.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/scientists-call-for-swing-state-recounts-815782467929

Scoopster

(423 posts)
101. Unlikely? Nay, more like very subtle.
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:44 PM
Oct 2017

They can inflate the statewide totals for Trump & Johnson in this manner & still let Clinton & Feingold win the voting precinct. That way they can let the vote in the precincts the Rs win take the overall count.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
110. Why?
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 06:43 PM
Oct 2017

The brilliance is no one is going to look at votes added to a county Clinton won that she should have won. As long as it pads Trump's statewide total.....

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
51. exactly
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 04:40 PM
Oct 2017

and we know for certain they were throwing away early voting ballots In Racine co...the Rs told us..I will never vote early again.... .

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
56. Oh yes, early voting is a big part of the story.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 05:21 PM
Oct 2017

I don't remember the Racine incident you mention but it accords perfectly with what seemed all too clear the following day when CNN started reporting record-low turnouts, after the weeks before were all about record numbers of early voters in state after state. So what happened to all those votes? In California it took over a month to certify the election results because counting early and provisional votes takes time.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
7. That's what I thought
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:02 AM
Oct 2017

He has several very small precincts reporting thousands more votes than registered voters. That isn't something that would go unnoticed for a year.

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
50. all kinds of things go "unnoticed," or at least uncorrected. who really would/could have done anythi
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 04:32 PM
Oct 2017

anything about this? nobody cares.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
3. Janesville is Paul Ryan's hometown
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:00 AM
Oct 2017

Should get some publicity

They have a population of 64,000 but only 59 registered voters? There may have been more than 59 press members there in 2012.


MikeFarb @mikefarb1
·
8h
Town of Janesville

59 Registrants

57 Late Registerants

161 Election Day Registerants

277 Total Voters

2027 Votes!!


 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
36. Go to twitter post, scroll down thread,
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 11:11 AM
Oct 2017

You will see that these numbers come from individual precincts in various towns - precincts in Wisconsin are referred to as wards. Look at the spreadsheet and get back to me.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
45. We don't need registration at all
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 01:52 PM
Oct 2017

You don't need to register to pay taxes.
You don't need to register for jury duty.


The only reason we have voter registration is that it can be a tool of voter suppression.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
10. I checked current numbers from WI board of elections for 2016 for the worst ward
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:08 AM
Oct 2017

The number of registered voters is about a tenth what it should be. The number of votes cast is close enough, but either someone is doctoring the data in that tweet or does not know how to read a spread sheet.

Numbers for Marathon Co., Rib Mountain, Wards 1-10 ... 4941 registered voters as of 11-2-2016 with 4314 votes cast.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
17. Yeah, there's a reason nobody in the news has picked this up
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:18 AM
Oct 2017

Because whoever compiled the data messed something up, big time.

usaf-vet

(6,188 posts)
29. Rep Sean Duffy (R) outspoken Trump supporter lives in Weston Wi
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:23 AM
Oct 2017

Rib Mountain itself is a ski hill in the winter months. It's located just southwest of Wausau WI.

Weston itself is to the South East of Rib Mountain on highway 29.

This is Wisconsin 7 Congressional District. Rep. Sean Duffy.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
15. When Oh When?
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:18 AM
Oct 2017

Gore won Kerry won Hillary won. I have zero doubt about that. Computer voting needs to go the way of the Dodo.....as does the Electoral College unless all states have the same ratio of electoral votes to people.

Paper ballots with strict security run by a neutral party, all videotaped would be best.

The right in this day and age will never go for his, why would they, it all is in their favor.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
20. Mike Farb is not trustworthy.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:33 AM
Oct 2017

1. The US intelligence community has said flatly that no votes were hacked. Only voters minds were hacked via propaganda. When Russia and Trump have such an effective means of voter suppression -- facebook-targeted lies about Hillary - there is no need to hack machines.

2. Mike Farb appears to be Mike Goldfarb, a republican activist and bilious liar.

3. Mike Farb has regularly pushed very stupid analyses that are wrong. https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/1/1667848/-Election-Fraud-Myths-Unhack-The-Vote-Rehashes-Old-Mistakes

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
25. Yeah he pops up on DU every once in a while as some sort of expert.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:47 AM
Oct 2017

Unfortunately, the left is not immune to suppositions and plain old conspiracy theories.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
41. GOP strategy: lies to get donations
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 12:11 PM
Oct 2017

Clickservativism.
Like Jay Sekulow
And Limbaugh
And Fox News.
They tell lies to scare old people and take their money.

Mike Goldfarb seems to have decided to apply that strategy to Democrats -- try to fool some Dems for money. Is it working?

diva77

(7,643 posts)
70. Do you have a link to the US intelligence community statement denying that votes were hacked?
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 11:59 PM
Oct 2017

Do you have a link to bio info on Mike Farb and evidence that he is "a republican activist and bilious liar"?

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
74. Republican activist sure. "Bilious liar" ... he's a republicon
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:15 AM
Oct 2017

Michael Goldfarb is an American conservative political writer. He was contributing editor for The Weekly Standard and was a research associate at the Project for the New American Century. During the 2008 presidential race he served as John McCain's deputy communications director. He is a founder of the online conservative magazine The Washington Free Beacon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Goldfarb_(political_writer)

diva77

(7,643 posts)
75. I believe the last name is "Farb" not goldfarb
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:24 AM
Oct 2017

The link I thought was his bio is: https://www.cylab.cmu.edu/education/faculty/farb.html

I actually am not sure whether this is a link to the same Mike Farb as Unhackthevote.com

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
91. Well then that's a horse of a different color. I stand corrected.
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:30 PM
Oct 2017

Going off of other comments up thread.

Mia culpa... mia culpa.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
117. I'm open to evidence they are the same person
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 08:10 AM
Oct 2017

Especially since he's taking donations. Do you have a link showing they are the same person?

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
21. Goldfarb and the GOP want to distract from suppression
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:38 AM
Oct 2017

The real way the GOP steals election is via voter suppression: ID laws, discarding black ballots for errors, pushing minorities off the rolls, creating long lines in minority districts, etc.


Republican activists and liars like Goldfarb who are paid by GOP billionaire donors want us to focus on hacking machines, not the real suppression they are doing. Also, if Americans feel like their vote doesn't count they will be less likely to vote, and reduced turnout helps the GOP.


That's why Mike Goldfarb has created the Mike Farb account and is pushing these lies.


Focus on suppression and turnout. We need to fix voter machines, but the 2016 election was stolen via propanganda. And be skeptical of Mike goldFarb.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
23. Goldfarb is neither here nor there.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:41 AM
Oct 2017

The Wisconsin vote reporting anomalies have been widely known and discussed for nearly a year.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
43. Mike goldFarb IS the major proponent of this
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 12:14 PM
Oct 2017

If you care about American elections -- and you should -- do something about suppression. Long lines at minority precicints. Bad voter ID laws. Difficult registration. Not "Mike Farb"'s clickservatism marketed at Dems.



If you want to donate: donate to the Progressive Turnout Project.
Or Jason Kander's Let America Vote.

Not Free Beacon GOP liar Mike Farb.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
48. Not really. Michael McDonald of U Florida, Dan Solomon, Susan Eraslan
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 03:04 PM
Oct 2017

were among those who first noticed discrepancies in the WI election reporting. Here's a tweet from Solomon with a WI vote-count tabulation screenshot showing an 85% voter turnout in Outagamie County, one of two WI counties showing similar data:



Nov. 22 analysis from AlterNet:

McDonald’s tweet was not the only one surfacing Tuesday showing this over-counting anomaly. As Susan Eraslan wrote after posting similar screenshots, “The numbers display that in 3 precincts in Outagamie County, all won by DT, more votes were counted for president than cast. Follow-up tweets found 1,500 more votes tallied than ballots cast, but soon after those screen shots were posted they were said to be corrected—or deleted.”


more: https://www.alternet.org/election-2016/pressure-builds-presidential-recounts-key-2016-swing-state#15080929484492&action=expand_widget&id=0&data=

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
62. Possibly but it makes no difference to the question of whether WI was hacked.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 06:15 PM
Oct 2017

Do you have evidence that his website is fraudulent? He gives a link in the Twitter thread to unhackthevote.com and I won't post a direct link lest a jury look askance but it seems on the face of it unexceptional.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
120. Evidence? I'm open
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 08:29 AM
Oct 2017

Otherwise giving an anonymous source money, when that source is saying things that many respected intelligence sources contradict, is foolish.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
97. He's not Goldfarb and if you wish to retain any semblance of credibility... you'd delete your posts..
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:06 PM
Oct 2017

...which infer that

onenote

(42,714 posts)
24. I don't know who Mike Farb is but I call BS on his numbers
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:44 AM
Oct 2017

No source linked. And they don't come close to reflecting the data that is readily online at the Wisconsin Elections Commission website.

To give just one example, he refers to "Janesville" but doesn't indicate whether he's referring to the City of Janesville or the Town of Janesville. In either case, the idea that there were only 59 registered voters in "Janesville" prior to election day is laughable. The City of Janesville has a population of over 63,000 and, according to the WEC website, had 37,000 registered voters on November 2. The Town has a population of around 3500 and had 2491 registered voters on November 2.

http://elections.wi.gov/publications/statistics/registered-voters-2016-november-2

 

ClarendonDem

(720 posts)
31. Good points
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:26 AM
Oct 2017

We need to move on from the conspiracy theory that Hillary lost because voting machines were hacked and votes changed. Zero evidence to support it and if there was any actual evidence the media would have reported it and I seriously doubt that Hillary or the Dem party would have ignored it.

And on edit, these claims are strikingly similar to the right wing conspiracy theories claiming Dems cheated in 2012 because there were more votes than registered voters in various precincts. Wasn't true then and not true now.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
76. to be fair, the site is crowdsourced, grassroots research
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:29 AM
Oct 2017

It is nearly impossible to get elections officials to part with election data, so it is citizens stepping forward to help fill in the details. I can understand that there might be a lot of errors due to this approach, but what is the alternative??

onenote

(42,714 posts)
77. Nonsense. There is an enormous amount of data on the WEC website
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:37 AM
Oct 2017

and "Mike Farb's" numbers aren't sourced at all...they appear to be made up out of the thin air.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
27. An unverified tweet
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:19 AM
Oct 2017

The other side loves to come her and pick up stories that show how delusional the left is. As stated, this would be lead story on all the news channels if were real.
Don’t you think Rachel would cover it?
Please think before throwing up random crap like this.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
28. Some of the tweets make no sense
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:22 AM
Oct 2017

Here's two from Farb:

We have never seen anything like this. Does anybody have an answer? We can’t even graph these. They go off the Graph!!

We need to find out what is going on. Our Data has to be right to put into our Graphs On Line.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
53. recount was not completed
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 04:46 PM
Oct 2017

some counties chose not to participate..this is Wisconsin folks, Walker has been cheating since 2008..they just did it bigger last year.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
115. Hogwash. Every county did a recount
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 10:02 PM
Oct 2017

Most of them did a hand recount, some a machine recount. But it's false to claim a recount wasn't done.

There is no evidence of any actual votes being changed.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
32. NOTHING there. I don't give twitter cookies. Is that it? Just a blue bird.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:35 AM
Oct 2017

Post the real image, the real video embed, the real article, ... as the case may be.

Don't make people chase down through opaque middle parties. By you hiding the ultimate source we have no idea if the source is reliable. Given the dubious replies to you in this thread, I have to wonder if you intended to hide the source.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
33. Donate, donate, donate, .... because ???
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:42 AM
Oct 2017

Wisconsin posted some mistakes?



But hey, send all your money now? I want results, not money beggars.

Mike Farb is taking down his tweets and Wisconsin is taking down their mistakes. So the fire is out. How much money was poured on those flames of nothingness?


jimlup

(7,968 posts)
37. Of course it was and probably also
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 11:38 AM
Oct 2017

Florida
North Carolina
Michigan

and

Pennsylvania

The more I reflect on this, the more sure I am that my hunch that the data was manipulated is correct. Just waiting for the evidence... this is one of the pieces.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
90. My position is that both happened
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:12 PM
Oct 2017

I live in Michigan and I have zero confidence in the integrity of our vote. Particularly the heavy Blue Detroit.

If you wanted to throw an election towards the red all you have to do is randomize the votes in the predominately blue districts. That is the method I would choose and I'll bet the Russian Intelligence services had this thought as well.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
116. Suppression. Minorities thrown off ballot via Crosscheck
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 08:01 AM
Oct 2017

450,000 voters were purged in Michigan, mostly minorities.

https://www.salon.com/2017/01/10/the-massive-election-rigging-scandal-the-media-ignored_partner/

THIS is something we can focus on until we have proof about any possible vote hacking. This GOP suppression is real and it could cost us 2018.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
127. Yes, I don't disagree
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 03:23 PM
Oct 2017

The suppression is indeed "real" and concrete and we MUST concentrate on that. BUT I strongly suspect that even worse is happening.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
132. Oh, me too. But control what you can control.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:40 PM
Oct 2017

we can't do much about the Mueller investigation right now.

But all of us can work to reduce voter suppression by the GOP.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,627 posts)
49. I agree, elehhhhna.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 03:09 PM
Oct 2017

Something ain't right in Wisconsin. Michigan and Pennsylvia results seem squirrely too.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
55. Clearly a miracle occurred.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 05:13 PM
Oct 2017

Alternatively, the Russians and the GOP were successful.

You choose which of the two is the more likely.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
61. Or maybe "Mike Farb" is full of shit
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 06:09 PM
Oct 2017

Read the posts in this thread and think about that for a minute.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
67. Russians/GOP were successful with lying propaganda
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:45 PM
Oct 2017

Fox, Limbaugh, Breitbart, and Trump and Russian lies on Facebook and Twitter propagandized a LOT of voters.

That's what flipped the election.

Now Trump is trying to lock in that advantage with his Voter Suppression Commission and with more propaganda. That's what we need to mobilize to stop.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
71. As I pointed out above
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:00 AM
Oct 2017

Doug LaFollette is not involved in elections (Wisconsin has a different set-up). The people to grill, if necessary, would be the Wisconsin Elections Commission.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
72. Thank you for this info. - ok-so the Wisconsin Elections Commission needs to be grilled by the media
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:05 AM
Oct 2017

The officials in charge of certifying these machines in all 50 states need to be held accountable for the mass purchase and deployment of equipment that cannot be guaranteed to count our votes as cast.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
79. They'd bust a gut laughing if they were "grilled' about "Mike Farb's" bogus numbers.
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:38 AM
Oct 2017

What is his source?

Do you just believe anything that pops up on the Internet? I hope not.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
80. they need to be grilled about using computerized voting machines and tabulators and optiscans
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:42 AM
Oct 2017

etc. that cannot guarantee that our votes are being counted as cast. Germany banned this equipment for this very reason.

Perhaps someone is planting bad data about skewed voting results in the same devious way Dan Rather was duped into presenting a forged document so that we get sidetracked about "Mike Farb" instead of getting to the real issue: rampant election fraud.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
73. 48 people rec'ed this nonsense?
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:08 AM
Oct 2017

I guess that's 48 people who don't look past the useless link or bother to read the thread.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
78. can u please be more specific as to what the "nonsense" is and what link you consider to be useless
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:37 AM
Oct 2017

and why?

onenote

(42,714 posts)
81. If you want to believe that Janesville had only 59 registered voters before election day
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:43 AM
Oct 2017

-- and you can pick either the City of Janesville or the Town of Janesville -- go right ahead. But keep in mind that the City has a population of over 63,000 (and had over 37,000 registered voters on November 2, 20111 according to published data) and the Town ha a population of around 3,500 (and over 2000 registered voters), while Farb has not offered any source for what is plainly an absurd number.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
84. these are about wards not entire towns as he is saying
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 02:41 AM
Oct 2017

Eye Eye
@canthearnothinn
Oct 14

Replying to @mikefarb1


Um...Janesville has 64000 people

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Multiple wards. Wards 1-6, etc. get the data


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all the info is sourced from the wis web site....many links are down down..(imagine that)hopefully this group did screen shots, hard copy

onenote

(42,714 posts)
104. There is a Town of Janesville and a City of Janesville
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 02:51 PM
Oct 2017

The information about Janesville allegedly is for the Town, which has 9 wards and some 3500 residents and that has for years been shown on the Wisconsin Elections Commission website as having around 2400 registered voters, not 59 -- a number that is absurd on its face.

Here's a link to the November 2, 2016 registration data. http://elections.wi.gov/publications/statistics/registered-voters-2016-november-2

Click on registered voters by ward and scroll down the spreadsheet until you find Rock County, Town of Janesville.

And if you want, you can go back in time and see that these numbers are consistent with reports from previous periods going back in time.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
83. IT'S TWITTER FOR GOD'S SAKE!!
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 02:37 AM
Oct 2017

Sure it could be a harbinger of things to come but until a reliable news source investigates, reports and explains the details it must NOT be treated as NEWS!

Don't follow the Republican sheep down their fake news well, please!

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
87. Spreadsheet:
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 04:02 AM
Oct 2017


I don't know where he found it but it's full of weirdness, for example Portage and Barron county wards (about 4 from the bottom) which both show 0 votes per existing registrant, with Portage turning in 0 and Baron 159 votes. Huh? Then there's Marathon at the bottom showing 27634.8% votes per existing registrant . . . .

onenote

(42,714 posts)
96. Again -- no source.
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:05 PM
Oct 2017

Directly at odds with published information and objective reality.

For example, the Town of Janesville has around 3500 residents. It is divided into 9 wards (not six as shown) for elections. The number of registered voters on November 2, 2016 in those nine wards was as follows

Ward One: 419
Ward Two: 409
Ward Three: 574
Ward Four 379
Ward Five 311
Ward Six 161
Ward Seven 14
Ward Eight 79
Ward Nine 150

That's 2,253 registered voters in Wards 1-6, not the facially unbelievable "59" on that spreadsheet. (if you add Wards 7-9, total registrations on Nov. 2, 2016 are 2496).

The number of Election Day Registrations in the Town of Janesville (all wards) was 187.

All of this data is readily available on the WEC website and can be compared to registration numbers for period going back in time before 2016 as well as more recent data.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
98. It was a summary from Wisconsin vote website
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:12 PM
Oct 2017
http://elections.wi.gov/


...still no meat on the bone. With same day registration and mail in ballots and incomplete clerking.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
99. I've looked through that website quite a bit and have not seen any numbers resembling the ones
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:24 PM
Oct 2017

on that spreadsheet.

Here's a link to the November 2, 2016 registration data. http://elections.wi.gov/publications/statistics/registered-voters-2016-november-2

Click on registered voters by ward and scroll down the spreadsheet until you find Rock County, Town of Janesville.

And if you want, you can go back in time and see that these numbers are consistent with reports from previous periods going back in time.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
100. Apparently they pulled it after all the attention. updated
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:35 PM
Oct 2017

and updated some numbers. I don't know if it was reposted. There's a discussion elsewhere I've been following loosely....so goes the rumor anyway. I recognize the formatting but that doesn't mean much. Farbs bio says he went to Beloit college long ago... that makes him a local.



onenote

(42,714 posts)
103. Pulled what? What page on the website gives the information in the format of that spreadsheet
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 02:48 PM
Oct 2017

And in what universe would a town of 3500 people have only 59 registered voters when records going back years consistently show there were a couple of thousand registered voters -- numbers similar to those reported on November 2, 2016 and reported after November 2, 2016.

So you think someone went back and created and substituted new documents for all those prior reports going back years? Do you really believe that only 59 voters in a town of 3500 were registered voters?

onenote

(42,714 posts)
106. It would be great if someone could direct me to where a "summary" page like the one appears
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 03:01 PM
Oct 2017

on the website.

I've searched all over and have never found anything resembling that page (not merely in the numbers shown but in the format as well).

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
107. Dude... check the twitter link
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 03:15 PM
Oct 2017
https://mobile.twitter.com/CyrusToulabi/status/919434078088257536


I can't tell you where it is or if it is now. I stared at those spreads back in November for hours on end. I'm done.

Ask Farb.... mikefarb@unhackthevote.com

and on another note.

Walker dismantled the former election board and put a different structure in it's place... it's cluster-fuck city now. I imagine that reflects some of the mistakes. Some.... I'd love it to see something come from it. I'd love to see a hand count of Milwaukee county.


best.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
89. His Twitter feed is flooded with retweets of praise and of his earlier findings, no follow-up though
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 08:26 AM
Oct 2017

If he found a legitimate problem, where are his follow-ups with the appropriate agencies, directors, governing bodies, etc. Where are their responses? Why hasn’t a think tank or college research department or some other non-profit taken up his work as part of a peer review effort?

Things don’t seem quite right when you look under the hood of his operation.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
95. I'm sorry but this is Twitter drama. I'm positive Clintons people took a good look at everything
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:03 PM
Oct 2017

I'm positive Clinton's people, DNC, and other authorities took and continue to take a good look at everything.

Some random guy on twitter posts a chart from somewhere.. IMO- it's not credible information at this time.

Everything on Twitter is suspect. A cruel game businesses like "Kelly Anne polls social media business", are PAID to fuck with Republican party 'enemies'

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
109. Really? Just like our party looked into 2000 ? Bullshit.
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 06:17 PM
Oct 2017

These anomalies have been known for almost a year now. But thanks for playing.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
121. Several of our D Leaders said several times, they checked/investigated & I believe them.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 09:31 AM
Oct 2017

The investigation continues and believing one isolated "twitter" post is a bunch of foolish bullshit. If credible people pick this up, then I'll believe this "story".

Twitter is a sewer like the ancient chat rooms or gamer chat. Entertainment like random bar socializing chat. Nothing said/posted can be taken as fact.

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
130. is c span credible enough
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 07:44 PM
Oct 2017

... Desi Doyen said on 10/17/2017 @ 4:00 pm PT...


Hi, Karen --- It was actually DHS, specifically acting undersecretary Jeanette Manfra, who acknowledged that DHS had not conducted a forensic examination on any individual voting machine during her testimony at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing on June 21, 2017. The relevant segment starts at about 58 minutes:

https://www.c-span.org/v...ted-russia-2016-election

Here's Brad's article on it: http://bradblog.com/?p=12192. More on it can also be found here.

Desi

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
111. You mean like how the Obama Administration had a feeling the Russians were interfering?
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 06:48 PM
Oct 2017

But did little for fear of blowback about being sore losers or looking paranoid?

That's what gas lighting does.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
122. Not True, nothing you said. The White House Obama Archives are online. 1000s of questions & answers
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 09:40 AM
Oct 2017

to prove you wrong are online in Presidents statements, and hundreds of DAILY press conferences. Months and Months of official statements about HACKING. Not everything is released to the general public, that would be foolish.

Obama Admin jumped on this IMMEDIATELY, including the attempts to hack STATE DATA & campaigns before the primary.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
123. And we still got Trump....
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 12:19 PM
Oct 2017

The damage has been done. Every day, every single day, we are drowning.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
124. speak for yourself. I didn't get trump, he's the Republicans 'problem'. Rs "damage"for many years
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 12:31 PM
Oct 2017

Republicans have always been selfish and rape America dry of OUR Federal and State money.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
125. so were the two republican funded "spoiler votes" stein & johnson. enjoy Moscowdinner /w Putin Jill?
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 01:41 PM
Oct 2017
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