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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWisconsin was hacked. Ex: 2027 votes from a precinct with 277 registered voters...
https://mobile.twitter.com/mikefarb1/status/919414152833138689It's all there.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Because if this was true, it would be plastered wall-to-wall on every news site. This many people voting from precincts that had so few registered voters would have thrown up major, major red flags immediately that night.
greeny2323
(590 posts)This is nonsense. And if you were going to hack an election, why would you create such ridiculously detectable numbers?
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)nothing ever changes
wisconsin has more votes than voters often enough a "fix" is written into law
they randomly pull out ballots until the votes and how many voters voted matchs
in michigan when there are more votes than voters that precinct cant be recounted,whatever the machine spit outstands
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)From the article you linked to:
http://bradblog.com/?p=7875#more-7875
Incidentally he's talking about Arkansas, not WI.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)impossible numbers or more votes than voters happen then they move and seem "reasonable" but never any explanation
people acting like it would raise a huge cry on the msm are wrong
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)This has been going on for a while and this time Trump all but bragged about it.
p.s. I thought you were lobbing a "nothing to see here" at us but must I misread the post above.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)this article is about the prosser/Kloppenburg "recount" which was wisconsin
no chain of custody, clerks delivering less bags of ballots than their paperwork reflects or more ballots being added that were found on a desk (seriously)
nothing from Wisconsin would surprise me
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)I'd have no problems believing the vote totals were tampered with, but this seems a ridiculous way to do it. Also not convinced they could have done something THIS blatant and no-one notice for a year.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)There were naysayers aplenty flooding every thread with "just a glitch" and "nothing to see here" and eventually posts started getting hidden and that was that. As I recall the Wisconsin SOS issued an updated spreadsheet without the obvious anomalies.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Who is not only a Democrat but also a vocal opponent of undue financial influence on elections. Why would he cover up GOP wrongdoing?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)On the other hand it's to someone's credit that we know even this much. In MI and PA there was much less transparency and a state-wide recount, even an unconvincing one as was carried out in WI, was never completed despite having been legally requested and paid for by candidate Stein.
dragonlady
(3,577 posts)In Wisconsin, unlike most other states, election administration at the state level is not done by the Secretary of State. The Wisconsin Elections Commission oversees and assists local officials who run the elections for their own city, town, county, etc.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/12512620889
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)but lost the election. Odd, yes, but the point is that the three vote totals don't match. This was captured before they were corrected and raised enough doubts about the WI vote reporting to lead to immediate demands for a recount:
Scientists call for swing state recounts
A group of computer scientists are urging Hillary Clinton to ask for a recount, claiming voting irregularities surfaced in three swing states. Gabe Sherman joins MSNBC's Ari Melber to share his reporting.
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/scientists-call-for-swing-state-recounts-815782467929
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)Scoopster
(423 posts)They can inflate the statewide totals for Trump & Johnson in this manner & still let Clinton & Feingold win the voting precinct. That way they can let the vote in the precincts the Rs win take the overall count.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)The brilliance is no one is going to look at votes added to a county Clinton won that she should have won. As long as it pads Trump's statewide total.....
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)and we know for certain they were throwing away early voting ballots In Racine co...the Rs told us..I will never vote early again.... .
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I don't remember the Racine incident you mention but it accords perfectly with what seemed all too clear the following day when CNN started reporting record-low turnouts, after the weeks before were all about record numbers of early voters in state after state. So what happened to all those votes? In California it took over a month to certify the election results because counting early and provisional votes takes time.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)He has several very small precincts reporting thousands more votes than registered voters. That isn't something that would go unnoticed for a year.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)anything about this? nobody cares.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Should get some publicity
They have a population of 64,000 but only 59 registered voters? There may have been more than 59 press members there in 2012.
MikeFarb @mikefarb1
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8h
Town of Janesville
59 Registrants
57 Late Registerants
161 Election Day Registerants
277 Total Voters
2027 Votes!!
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)And has a population of 3400.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)You will see that these numbers come from individual precincts in various towns - precincts in Wisconsin are referred to as wards. Look at the spreadsheet and get back to me.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)This isn't the City of Janesville
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)You don't need to register to pay taxes.
You don't need to register for jury duty.
The only reason we have voter registration is that it can be a tool of voter suppression.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)I'd like to see where this goes. What voting method did they use?
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)The number of registered voters is about a tenth what it should be. The number of votes cast is close enough, but either someone is doctoring the data in that tweet or does not know how to read a spread sheet.
Numbers for Marathon Co., Rib Mountain, Wards 1-10 ... 4941 registered voters as of 11-2-2016 with 4314 votes cast.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Is 5,636. Things are in line.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Because whoever compiled the data messed something up, big time.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Only money will put out this kind of fire
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)That's the GOP racket-- lies for money.
usaf-vet
(6,188 posts)Rib Mountain itself is a ski hill in the winter months. It's located just southwest of Wausau WI.
Weston itself is to the South East of Rib Mountain on highway 29.
This is Wisconsin 7 Congressional District. Rep. Sean Duffy.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Gore won Kerry won Hillary won. I have zero doubt about that. Computer voting needs to go the way of the Dodo.....as does the Electoral College unless all states have the same ratio of electoral votes to people.
Paper ballots with strict security run by a neutral party, all videotaped would be best.
The right in this day and age will never go for his, why would they, it all is in their favor.
keithbvadu2
(36,823 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)1. The US intelligence community has said flatly that no votes were hacked. Only voters minds were hacked via propaganda. When Russia and Trump have such an effective means of voter suppression -- facebook-targeted lies about Hillary - there is no need to hack machines.
2. Mike Farb appears to be Mike Goldfarb, a republican activist and bilious liar.
3. Mike Farb has regularly pushed very stupid analyses that are wrong. https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/1/1667848/-Election-Fraud-Myths-Unhack-The-Vote-Rehashes-Old-Mistakes
progressoid
(49,991 posts)Unfortunately, the left is not immune to suppositions and plain old conspiracy theories.
mopinko
(70,120 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Clickservativism.
Like Jay Sekulow
And Limbaugh
And Fox News.
They tell lies to scare old people and take their money.
Mike Goldfarb seems to have decided to apply that strategy to Democrats -- try to fool some Dems for money. Is it working?
diva77
(7,643 posts)Do you have a link to bio info on Mike Farb and evidence that he is "a republican activist and bilious liar"?
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Michael Goldfarb is an American conservative political writer. He was contributing editor for The Weekly Standard and was a research associate at the Project for the New American Century. During the 2008 presidential race he served as John McCain's deputy communications director. He is a founder of the online conservative magazine The Washington Free Beacon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Goldfarb_(political_writer)
diva77
(7,643 posts)The link I thought was his bio is: https://www.cylab.cmu.edu/education/faculty/farb.html
I actually am not sure whether this is a link to the same Mike Farb as Unhackthevote.com
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Going off of other comments up thread.
Mia culpa... mia culpa.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Goldfarb GOP activist and bilious liar: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/us/politics/michael-goldfarb-gleeful-provocateur-at-intersection-of-many-worlds.html
Comey votes not hacked, only voters : https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/20/politics/comey-russia-hearing-trump-obama-what-learned/index.html
FBI counterintel, votes not hacked, only voters: http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-russians-targeted-election-systems-in-1498059012-htmlstory.html
Strong suggestion Mike Farb is really Mike Goldfarb, bilious liar trying to profit from Democrats:
https://mobile.twitter.com/counterchekist/status/878019881592999936?lang=en
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Also I'd like to know what he is using his donations for.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Especially since he's taking donations. Do you have a link showing they are the same person?
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)The real way the GOP steals election is via voter suppression: ID laws, discarding black ballots for errors, pushing minorities off the rolls, creating long lines in minority districts, etc.
Republican activists and liars like Goldfarb who are paid by GOP billionaire donors want us to focus on hacking machines, not the real suppression they are doing. Also, if Americans feel like their vote doesn't count they will be less likely to vote, and reduced turnout helps the GOP.
That's why Mike Goldfarb has created the Mike Farb account and is pushing these lies.
Focus on suppression and turnout. We need to fix voter machines, but the 2016 election was stolen via propanganda. And be skeptical of Mike goldFarb.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)The Wisconsin vote reporting anomalies have been widely known and discussed for nearly a year.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)If you care about American elections -- and you should -- do something about suppression. Long lines at minority precicints. Bad voter ID laws. Difficult registration. Not "Mike Farb"'s clickservatism marketed at Dems.
If you want to donate: donate to the Progressive Turnout Project.
Or Jason Kander's Let America Vote.
Not Free Beacon GOP liar Mike Farb.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)were among those who first noticed discrepancies in the WI election reporting. Here's a tweet from Solomon with a WI vote-count tabulation screenshot showing an 85% voter turnout in Outagamie County, one of two WI counties showing similar data:
Nov. 22 analysis from AlterNet:
more: https://www.alternet.org/election-2016/pressure-builds-presidential-recounts-key-2016-swing-state#15080929484492&action=expand_widget&id=0&data=
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Be very cautious.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Do you have evidence that his website is fraudulent? He gives a link in the Twitter thread to unhackthevote.com and I won't post a direct link lest a jury look askance but it seems on the face of it unexceptional.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)but donate to my cause... anyway.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)And then he does nothing. Be cautious about his claims.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Otherwise giving an anonymous source money, when that source is saying things that many respected intelligence sources contradict, is foolish.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)...which infer that
onenote
(42,714 posts)No source linked. And they don't come close to reflecting the data that is readily online at the Wisconsin Elections Commission website.
To give just one example, he refers to "Janesville" but doesn't indicate whether he's referring to the City of Janesville or the Town of Janesville. In either case, the idea that there were only 59 registered voters in "Janesville" prior to election day is laughable. The City of Janesville has a population of over 63,000 and, according to the WEC website, had 37,000 registered voters on November 2. The Town has a population of around 3500 and had 2491 registered voters on November 2.
http://elections.wi.gov/publications/statistics/registered-voters-2016-november-2
ClarendonDem
(720 posts)We need to move on from the conspiracy theory that Hillary lost because voting machines were hacked and votes changed. Zero evidence to support it and if there was any actual evidence the media would have reported it and I seriously doubt that Hillary or the Dem party would have ignored it.
And on edit, these claims are strikingly similar to the right wing conspiracy theories claiming Dems cheated in 2012 because there were more votes than registered voters in various precincts. Wasn't true then and not true now.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Not farb.
diva77
(7,643 posts)It is nearly impossible to get elections officials to part with election data, so it is citizens stepping forward to help fill in the details. I can understand that there might be a lot of errors due to this approach, but what is the alternative??
onenote
(42,714 posts)and "Mike Farb's" numbers aren't sourced at all...they appear to be made up out of the thin air.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)The other side loves to come her and pick up stories that show how delusional the left is. As stated, this would be lead story on all the news channels if were real.
Dont you think Rachel would cover it?
Please think before throwing up random crap like this.
gristy
(10,667 posts)Here's two from Farb:
We have never seen anything like this. Does anybody have an answer? We cant even graph these. They go off the Graph!!
We need to find out what is going on. Our Data has to be right to put into our Graphs On Line.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)I think somebody would have noticed.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)some counties chose not to participate..this is Wisconsin folks, Walker has been cheating since 2008..they just did it bigger last year.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Most of them did a hand recount, some a machine recount. But it's false to claim a recount wasn't done.
There is no evidence of any actual votes being changed.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Post the real image, the real video embed, the real article, ... as the case may be.
Don't make people chase down through opaque middle parties. By you hiding the ultimate source we have no idea if the source is reliable. Given the dubious replies to you in this thread, I have to wonder if you intended to hide the source.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Wisconsin posted some mistakes?
But hey, send all your money now? I want results, not money beggars.
Mike Farb is taking down his tweets and Wisconsin is taking down their mistakes. So the fire is out. How much money was poured on those flames of nothingness?
Link to tweet
jimlup
(7,968 posts)Florida
North Carolina
Michigan
and
Pennsylvania
The more I reflect on this, the more sure I am that my hunch that the data was manipulated is correct. Just waiting for the evidence... this is one of the pieces.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Propanganda: the tool of the GOP and Putin.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I live in Michigan and I have zero confidence in the integrity of our vote. Particularly the heavy Blue Detroit.
If you wanted to throw an election towards the red all you have to do is randomize the votes in the predominately blue districts. That is the method I would choose and I'll bet the Russian Intelligence services had this thought as well.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)450,000 voters were purged in Michigan, mostly minorities.
https://www.salon.com/2017/01/10/the-massive-election-rigging-scandal-the-media-ignored_partner/
THIS is something we can focus on until we have proof about any possible vote hacking. This GOP suppression is real and it could cost us 2018.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)The suppression is indeed "real" and concrete and we MUST concentrate on that. BUT I strongly suspect that even worse is happening.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)we can't do much about the Mueller investigation right now.
But all of us can work to reduce voter suppression by the GOP.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)are the most important things we can be doing right now
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)disgusting
fleur-de-lisa
(14,627 posts)Something ain't right in Wisconsin. Michigan and Pennsylvia results seem squirrely too.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Alternatively, the Russians and the GOP were successful.
You choose which of the two is the more likely.
onenote
(42,714 posts)Read the posts in this thread and think about that for a minute.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Fox, Limbaugh, Breitbart, and Trump and Russian lies on Facebook and Twitter propagandized a LOT of voters.
That's what flipped the election.
Now Trump is trying to lock in that advantage with his Voter Suppression Commission and with more propaganda. That's what we need to mobilize to stop.
trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)onenote
(42,714 posts)diva77
(7,643 posts)dragonlady
(3,577 posts)Doug LaFollette is not involved in elections (Wisconsin has a different set-up). The people to grill, if necessary, would be the Wisconsin Elections Commission.
diva77
(7,643 posts)The officials in charge of certifying these machines in all 50 states need to be held accountable for the mass purchase and deployment of equipment that cannot be guaranteed to count our votes as cast.
onenote
(42,714 posts)What is his source?
Do you just believe anything that pops up on the Internet? I hope not.
diva77
(7,643 posts)etc. that cannot guarantee that our votes are being counted as cast. Germany banned this equipment for this very reason.
Perhaps someone is planting bad data about skewed voting results in the same devious way Dan Rather was duped into presenting a forged document so that we get sidetracked about "Mike Farb" instead of getting to the real issue: rampant election fraud.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)I guess that's 48 people who don't look past the useless link or bother to read the thread.
diva77
(7,643 posts)and why?
onenote
(42,714 posts)-- and you can pick either the City of Janesville or the Town of Janesville -- go right ahead. But keep in mind that the City has a population of over 63,000 (and had over 37,000 registered voters on November 2, 20111 according to published data) and the Town ha a population of around 3,500 (and over 2000 registered voters), while Farb has not offered any source for what is plainly an absurd number.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)Eye Eye
@canthearnothinn
Oct 14
Replying to @mikefarb1
Um...Janesville has 64000 people
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@arbortender
Replying to @canthearnothinn @mikefarb1
Multiple wards. Wards 1-6, etc. get the data
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all the info is sourced from the wis web site....many links are down down..(imagine that)hopefully this group did screen shots, hard copy
onenote
(42,714 posts)The information about Janesville allegedly is for the Town, which has 9 wards and some 3500 residents and that has for years been shown on the Wisconsin Elections Commission website as having around 2400 registered voters, not 59 -- a number that is absurd on its face.
Here's a link to the November 2, 2016 registration data. http://elections.wi.gov/publications/statistics/registered-voters-2016-november-2
Click on registered voters by ward and scroll down the spreadsheet until you find Rock County, Town of Janesville.
And if you want, you can go back in time and see that these numbers are consistent with reports from previous periods going back in time.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)Sure it could be a harbinger of things to come but until a reliable news source investigates, reports and explains the details it must NOT be treated as NEWS!
Don't follow the Republican sheep down their fake news well, please!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I don't know where he found it but it's full of weirdness, for example Portage and Barron county wards (about 4 from the bottom) which both show 0 votes per existing registrant, with Portage turning in 0 and Baron 159 votes. Huh? Then there's Marathon at the bottom showing 27634.8% votes per existing registrant . . . .
onenote
(42,714 posts)Directly at odds with published information and objective reality.
For example, the Town of Janesville has around 3500 residents. It is divided into 9 wards (not six as shown) for elections. The number of registered voters on November 2, 2016 in those nine wards was as follows
Ward One: 419
Ward Two: 409
Ward Three: 574
Ward Four 379
Ward Five 311
Ward Six 161
Ward Seven 14
Ward Eight 79
Ward Nine 150
That's 2,253 registered voters in Wards 1-6, not the facially unbelievable "59" on that spreadsheet. (if you add Wards 7-9, total registrations on Nov. 2, 2016 are 2496).
The number of Election Day Registrations in the Town of Janesville (all wards) was 187.
All of this data is readily available on the WEC website and can be compared to registration numbers for period going back in time before 2016 as well as more recent data.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)...still no meat on the bone. With same day registration and mail in ballots and incomplete clerking.
onenote
(42,714 posts)on that spreadsheet.
Here's a link to the November 2, 2016 registration data. http://elections.wi.gov/publications/statistics/registered-voters-2016-november-2
Click on registered voters by ward and scroll down the spreadsheet until you find Rock County, Town of Janesville.
And if you want, you can go back in time and see that these numbers are consistent with reports from previous periods going back in time.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)and updated some numbers. I don't know if it was reposted. There's a discussion elsewhere I've been following loosely....so goes the rumor anyway. I recognize the formatting but that doesn't mean much. Farbs bio says he went to Beloit college long ago... that makes him a local.
Link to tweet
onenote
(42,714 posts)And in what universe would a town of 3500 people have only 59 registered voters when records going back years consistently show there were a couple of thousand registered voters -- numbers similar to those reported on November 2, 2016 and reported after November 2, 2016.
So you think someone went back and created and substituted new documents for all those prior reports going back years? Do you really believe that only 59 voters in a town of 3500 were registered voters?
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)I don't think nothin' outside of sloppy work on the part of the state period.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9712827
onenote
(42,714 posts)on the website.
I've searched all over and have never found anything resembling that page (not merely in the numbers shown but in the format as well).
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)I can't tell you where it is or if it is now. I stared at those spreads back in November for hours on end. I'm done.
Ask Farb.... mikefarb@unhackthevote.com
and on another note.
Walker dismantled the former election board and put a different structure in it's place... it's cluster-fuck city now. I imagine that reflects some of the mistakes. Some.... I'd love it to see something come from it. I'd love to see a hand count of Milwaukee county.
best.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)thank you for posting
LonePirate
(13,424 posts)If he found a legitimate problem, where are his follow-ups with the appropriate agencies, directors, governing bodies, etc. Where are their responses? Why hasnt a think tank or college research department or some other non-profit taken up his work as part of a peer review effort?
Things dont seem quite right when you look under the hood of his operation.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I'm positive Clinton's people, DNC, and other authorities took and continue to take a good look at everything.
Some random guy on twitter posts a chart from somewhere.. IMO- it's not credible information at this time.
Everything on Twitter is suspect. A cruel game businesses like "Kelly Anne polls social media business", are PAID to fuck with Republican party 'enemies'
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)These anomalies have been known for almost a year now. But thanks for playing.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The investigation continues and believing one isolated "twitter" post is a bunch of foolish bullshit. If credible people pick this up, then I'll believe this "story".
Twitter is a sewer like the ancient chat rooms or gamer chat. Entertainment like random bar socializing chat. Nothing said/posted can be taken as fact.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)... Desi Doyen said on 10/17/2017 @ 4:00 pm PT...
Hi, Karen --- It was actually DHS, specifically acting undersecretary Jeanette Manfra, who acknowledged that DHS had not conducted a forensic examination on any individual voting machine during her testimony at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing on June 21, 2017. The relevant segment starts at about 58 minutes:
https://www.c-span.org/v...ted-russia-2016-election
Here's Brad's article on it: http://bradblog.com/?p=12192. More on it can also be found here.
Desi
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)But did little for fear of blowback about being sore losers or looking paranoid?
That's what gas lighting does.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)to prove you wrong are online in Presidents statements, and hundreds of DAILY press conferences. Months and Months of official statements about HACKING. Not everything is released to the general public, that would be foolish.
Obama Admin jumped on this IMMEDIATELY, including the attempts to hack STATE DATA & campaigns before the primary.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)The damage has been done. Every day, every single day, we are drowning.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Republicans have always been selfish and rape America dry of OUR Federal and State money.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)nt
Mediumsizedhand
(531 posts)Botany
(70,516 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Russiapublicans anyway