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Marijuana CAN Kill People (Original Post) JimGinPA Oct 2017 OP
... Duppers Oct 2017 #1
Whaaaaa??? Just watch that movie called Reefer Madness. japple Oct 2017 #2
Mary Jane is in the process of being legalized here in Canada LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #6
Someone once said that a drunk driver will blow right through a STOP sign... SeattleVet Oct 2017 #18
That's a good one! tecelote Oct 2017 #19
lol LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #25
Once in college, my bf was driving on the highway and everyone was beeping adigal Oct 2017 #31
A friend told me about a high school classmate of his who was in a car being "chased" by tblue37 Oct 2017 #38
LOL! Thay is hilarious!! I guess speed slows down like time seems to! Nt adigal Oct 2017 #41
( Timidly raises hand)..... dixiegrrrrl Oct 2017 #47
the last time I drove high - OriginalGeek Oct 2017 #54
Thats great!!! calimary Oct 2017 #55
A few years ago, a friend of mine got pulled over after burning one with a friend. BobTheSubgenius Oct 2017 #24
Yup LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #27
The law in Washington state when they legalized it went way overboard on trying to brewens Oct 2017 #45
",,, thats some heavy shit , man!" Cryptoad Oct 2017 #3
And die laughing? eleny Oct 2017 #4
Here's little rain on your parade per the CDC Persondem Oct 2017 #5
Baloney put there by Session minions.... mbusby Oct 2017 #7
Quiet now, else Ill sic the piano player on you, ya hear? NightWatcher Oct 2017 #10
i love that movie. In the 70s the University had it as a fund raiser for NORMAL. samnsara Oct 2017 #12
Oooooooooo.... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #15
Well, technically anything can kill us. progressoid Oct 2017 #9
the heart attack scare made its way around the US about 4-5 yrs ago.. samnsara Oct 2017 #11
Have you tried Purple Trainwreck? NightWatcher Oct 2017 #13
just the idea that you onethatcares Oct 2017 #16
I also reside in the State of duh and let me just say NightWatcher Oct 2017 #22
I would not allow that onethatcares Oct 2017 #26
I'm a Florida native who just moved to Denver OceanChick Oct 2017 #30
Is it really legal everywhere--even in Kansas? Would it work for chronic pain? (Back, neck, and tblue37 Oct 2017 #39
Absolutely! OceanChick Oct 2017 #42
Good luck to you. MS is a terrible disease. Wish you ever success in fighting it. grantcart Oct 2017 #43
Good for you, glad you're here. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #52
Cannabis today is amazing, so many hybrids out there dixiegrrrrl Oct 2017 #49
OMG that gov site is so full of hyperbole and downright lies LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #21
You are reaching and do not make a good case for pot having no bad effects. Persondem Oct 2017 #37
Quite the deft movement of goalposts. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #46
Smoking anything is bad for you Calculating Oct 2017 #50
I don't think it has no bad effects LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #53
I wonder Soxfan58 Oct 2017 #51
ROFL!!!!!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2017 #8
I'd agree for most part. But actually, the SMOKING can cause lung cancer... Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #14
Nope, sorry... Callmecrazy Oct 2017 #17
Correct Bradical79 Oct 2017 #29
Again, inhaling smoke into your lungs is harmful, by definition. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #44
Also incorrect... Callmecrazy Oct 2017 #56
there are a small portion of users who could potentially die from smoking. Kali Oct 2017 #20
That's why it must at least be decriminalized. moriah Oct 2017 #35
And it can save people by being one of the best ways to wean an opioid addict off Dustlawyer Oct 2017 #23
+ It also helps us non-addict insomniacs sleep. Duppers Oct 2017 #40
I doubt smoking ANYTHING is good for your lungs Skittles Oct 2017 #28
You are correct. Scruffy1 Oct 2017 #32
it kills me that I smoked cigs for so long Skittles Oct 2017 #33
Edibles and vaporizers are alternatives. moriah Oct 2017 #36
I already knew that if a large enough crate of marijuana fell on you, PufPuf23 Oct 2017 #34
I swear Soxfan58 Oct 2017 #48
once upon a time... donotpissoffacow Oct 2017 #57
Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #58

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
6. Mary Jane is in the process of being legalized here in Canada
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 06:37 PM
Oct 2017

And now we are getting a lot of conservative reefer madness ads on radio and TV. A lot of it smoking underage, and driving while high alarmist ads. What I fear now is the police will feel compelled to develop a roadside pot test. And that limit will be so arbitrary and conservative. Now I'm not for driving while blasted, but study after study, even by our own Canadian Senate, has shown that smoking a low/moderate amount, without alcohol, has a neglectable impact. What it boils down to basically is that driving TOO cautiously, (perhaps because you are more paranoid) is way less dangerous than driving too reckless (because of the false sense of bravado that alcohol brings).

But I can see them developing something where if you only had a puff or two in the hours before driving you will be deemed "impaired", costing you thousands and higher insurance, and maybe even your license. I'd have preferred it be kept technically illegal as it is now, with cops just looking for alcohol and if they find any dope, they just confiscate it, as it would tie up the courts too much for every nickel and dime possession charge.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
18. Someone once said that a drunk driver will blow right through a STOP sign...
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:25 PM
Oct 2017

but someone who is stoned will sit there and wait for it to turn green.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
31. Once in college, my bf was driving on the highway and everyone was beeping
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:13 PM
Oct 2017

We finally realized he was going about 35 in a 55 mph zone. So it can be dangerous, just for a different reason.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
38. A friend told me about a high school classmate of his who was in a car being "chased" by
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:50 PM
Oct 2017

police. The teens in the car thought they were involved a high speed chase, so they were throwing their weed out of the window as fast as they could so that when the cops finally caught up with them, they wouldn't also get nailed for possession.

But since they were all quite stoned, they didn't realize that they were in a "high speed chase" at about 10 miles an hour. The cops were laughing when they pulled the kids over at last and let them off with a warning.

I am betting the cops collected all the "evidence" the teens threw so frantically out the window and had a pot party after they got off work.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
54. the last time I drove high -
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 03:50 PM
Oct 2017

and this was 31+ years ago when I was 21~22 and I never have since then and don't even do marijuanas any longer - it was 2am and I was sitting at a red light (High AF) and I reached down to fiddle with my radio and out of the corner of my eye I saw green so I started through the intersection - again, late at night, me and one other car on the road and it was going the opposite direction from me - and as I'm going though I look up and realize OH SHIT, I don't have the green, that was just a green left-hand turn arrow but I'm half-way through now and nobody is coming and the other car isn't moving because it was originally going straight the other way.

I say "originally" because as I pass through I look over and see it's a cop. Well fuck. So NOW he flips on his lights and hangs a U-Turn and I just pulled over.

I explained I was just on my way home from fiance's house (true) and we had gone out to dinner at Red Lobster (true) and I had tried shark for the first time (true) and I was feeling sick from that as it didn't agree with me (Also true) and that I was just trying to get home before I threw up (not really all that true. I felt weird but not throw-uppy weird). I don't know if he smelled or saw the roach in my ash-tray but he just gave me a ticket for running the light and sent me on my way. Coulda been worse for sure in many ways.

If we legalize recreational I will smoke again but until then I'm a beer man. And no driving under any influence.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
24. A few years ago, a friend of mine got pulled over after burning one with a friend.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:39 PM
Oct 2017

Cop said he was compelled to tow her car and give her a 24-hour roadside suspension, but he let her keep the 18. (eighth) I know many stories like that. Two detectives walked out of an acquaintance's house and didn't even disturb his grow op, because it was small.

I know a cop in the City (Victoria, I live in Saanich, which is indistinguishable to the casual observer) who said that he NEVER arrests or even confiscates for simple possession, even for heroin. His reasoning is that that addict is going to get some high no matter what, and now he might feel he has to stick up some elderly lady for her pension money.

Not legal, but sensible. The times they are a-changing.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
27. Yup
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:48 PM
Oct 2017

I'm in Vancouver. I am a little annoyed that Justin is rushing this legalization through. All the usual busy bodies and chicken littles are running around screaming that the sky is falling. And it will make it politically impossible for any leader to NOT demand new very strict pot road side testing. The 'impairment' levels of which will be set by paranoid reactionary conservative people that may never have even tried it.

brewens

(13,593 posts)
45. The law in Washington state when they legalized it went way overboard on trying to
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:04 PM
Oct 2017

nail people for driving while stoned. I always felt part of the beauty of legalization would be taking chasing weed smokers away from the cops. Let them use those resources on stopping something really dangerous.

I think history shows how dangerous driving while stoned is. It used to be that the cops couldn't do squat about it, unless they smelled it, searched, and found your weed. If you're like me, you took measures to prevent that. I usually had the weed locked in the trunk, or the tool box on my truck, where they couldn't search so easily.

One night I was stoned to the bone and took a buddy home. I also had a few cases of beer I was dropping off at a buddies house. I worked for a beer distributor and would grab him some on occasion at my discount. I had a tail light out and got pulled over.

So it's late at night. The cops see the beer on my floor board, and the one checking me out quickly sees that my eyes are bleeding! He asks if I have been drinking and I say no. I hadn't and he'd probably already realized he couldn't smell it on me. But I'm out of the truck and doing the field sobriety dance anyway. I pass all that with flying colors and they question me about my eyes. This has to be like over 20 years ago btw. I say, lack of sleep, allergies or whatever.

They had to let me go, but I could tell they were pissed! They knew. My argument is just WTF is the field sobriety test for anyway? If you fail, you must be drunk and that adds to their case for DUI along with what you blow. So if I pass, I must be in pretty good shape to drive right? That's not good enough for them with weed though. They really want to find a way to screw people over it. Around here they are notorious for doing that with drinkers too. Pass that and they still make you blow anyway, just hoping you might be a hair over the limit. That freakin' limit can be like three beers for a lot of people, not even on the way to what most people think of as drunk. It's chickenshit to try so hard to get someone that they can tell is in pretty fair shape to drive.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
5. Here's little rain on your parade per the CDC
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 06:11 PM
Oct 2017

"Previous research has found a significant increase in the risk of heart attack in the hours after marijuana use."

"Marijuana users are significantly more likely than nonusers to develop chronic mental disorders, including schizophrenia."

" studies show that marijuana use by mothers during pregnancy may be linked to problems with attention, memory, problem-solving skills, and behavior problems in their children."

"Marijuana use directly affects the brain — specifically the parts of the brain responsible for memory, learning, attention, decision making, coordination, emotions, and reaction time."

"Smoke is harmful to lung health. Toxins and carcinogens are released when marijuana is burned. When these toxins and carcinogens are smoked, they are inhaled into the lungs, increasing health risks. Smoke from marijuana contains many of the same toxins, irritants, and carcinogens as tobacco smoke."

So yeah, plenty of adverse effects are possible from using marijuana ... including things that can kill.

From ... https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects.htm

mbusby

(823 posts)
7. Baloney put there by Session minions....
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 06:38 PM
Oct 2017

...there has been little real science done on marijuana because Sessions refuses to allow researchers to get access to it. The best research comes out of Israel, which debunks all of the 'Reefer Madness' currently in the CDC.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
12. i love that movie. In the 70s the University had it as a fund raiser for NORMAL.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 06:58 PM
Oct 2017

.....took my dtr who was 7-8 at the time. She got bored.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
9. Well, technically anything can kill us.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 06:46 PM
Oct 2017

I'll admit to having enjoyed a little to much of a certain strain that made my heart race in the middle of the night. That kind of freaked me out. But I also had the same problem with coffee. My doctor was going to prescribe something for this problem heartbeat problem, but I stopped drinking caffeine and voila, problem solved.

You know what else I found out is bad? The Merlot I've been drinking has 11% of a poisonous and potentially carcinogenic substance in it called alcohol. WTF! How can that be legal?

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
11. the heart attack scare made its way around the US about 4-5 yrs ago..
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 06:56 PM
Oct 2017

..im in that age range so of course it scared me but then I thought what the hell. Anyway its since been disproven.

And yes there is state dependent learning.. cramming for exams when youre high isn't good unless youre gonna be high during the test. But have you ever recalled anything you learned cramming while drunk?

You can choke on puke much like you do when youre drunk....

You can fall down stairs much like you do when youre drunk....

Right now I am enjoying a puff on my Pax...filled with Tangerine Dream as a pain killer. Not high.. a puff here a puff there. Seems to help the torn rotary cuff. As I am scrubbing the floor, doing laundry, dishes, ..doing everything the PT said NOT to do so I know I am going to be in pain. Could down a handful of Advil...naaaaaa...

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
13. Have you tried Purple Trainwreck?
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:01 PM
Oct 2017

It’s my go to strain for medical as of right now. It’s technically a hybrid, but but the sativa is heavier on the front end, gives you clarity of thought and then gives way to a body mellow and ultimately lulls you to sleep ( if you give in). Oh, before I forget, PT is the smelliest dank I’ve ever come across. I have to vape it outside or it’ll stink up the joint something fierce.

How does Tangerine Dream hit you? I like to relax but I need to get stuff done as well. I’m a daily user here for multiple medical issues.

onethatcares

(16,172 posts)
16. just the idea that you
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:22 PM
Oct 2017

are able to differentiate between strains and physical/mental changes amazes this guy from floriduh.

Wow, I don't think they'll ever get around to actually allowing physicians to prescribe without them making the patient jump through burning hoops and walk on water.

I'm a relaxing worker type too, just got look over my shoulder so much I have a problem with my neck.

Peace out!

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
22. I also reside in the State of duh and let me just say
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:36 PM
Oct 2017

that although we cannot avail ourselves of dispensaries, there are ways to get quality product by strain and name.

If you have a need (or strong desire) don’t let the mouth breathers in Tallahassee prevent you....

onethatcares

(16,172 posts)
26. I would not allow that
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:46 PM
Oct 2017

and thank you for your kind words. I understand that entirely.

After over half my life watching this unfold, I never thought I'd be discussing strains of sativa and indica and their relative merits. Sadly, we can:t get our elected reps to sit in a room and toke or ingest. Or they do and we don't get invited to the partay.

OceanChick

(83 posts)
30. I'm a Florida native who just moved to Denver
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:11 PM
Oct 2017

I didn't move here because MJ was legal. I moved here because I have MS and I couldn't take the endless Florida summer heat anymore. Heat is awful for those with MS. Florida parking lots are my mortal enemy with the waves of heat rising.

As a former hippie who's been clean and sober for 30 years, the sight of pot stores everywhere in Denver was surrealistic to me. Never did I think I would see people lining up on a Friday night to buy a few joints for the night.

I started doing research and went to a Medical Marijuana doctor. I told him that I wanted to investigate the medicinal uses without getting high. He told me to use high CBD with little to no THC.

I found a cream that has been a miracle for me. Since I have a lot of muscle pain that interrupts my sleep, I rub it on my feet, legs and wrists before bed. I sleep soundly with no leg pain or cramps.

I also take Charlotte's Web, which is a Hemp Oil and is legal in all states. You can get it here: https://www.cwhemp.com. This product has actually eliminated a few lesions in my brain in the 2 years that I've been taking it. It's been a miracle for children with seizure disorders.

What a Brave New World - grateful to be here now!

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
39. Is it really legal everywhere--even in Kansas? Would it work for chronic pain? (Back, neck, and
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:54 PM
Oct 2017

hips.)

OceanChick

(83 posts)
42. Absolutely!
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 11:51 PM
Oct 2017

If you Google "Charlotte's Web" you will find many amazing stories.

I have chronic back, neck and hip pain and I could not have a full life without Charlotte's Web.

Now I walk 3 miles/3 times a week, work out with a personal trainer once a week and am looking for a full-time job again at 66-years-old!

If you go to this link: https://www.cwhemp.com/helpcenter/faqs
you can see that they ship nationwide - even to Kansas.

Good luck!!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
49. Cannabis today is amazing, so many hybrids out there
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:21 PM
Oct 2017

There is even info. on which strains to use for different kinds of med problems, based on the kind of terpenes in the plant.

Pinene is the most common terpene in all plants, smells like pine needles, helps asthma, and is prominent in Jack Herer and Super Silver Haze. FOCUS.

Linalool smells like spring flowers with a spicy hint, good for anxiety and is also found in lavender! LA Confidential and Haze are full of linalool and in oil form it’s great for burns and acne. RELAXING.

Myrcene is the most prevalent in cannabis, smells like cloves, treats spasms, insomnia, and pain, is found in mango and hops and in strains like White Widow and Pure Kush. SLEEPY.

Limonene is also found in the rinds of citrus fruits, smells like lemon, is found in rosemary and juniper, helps mood and gastrointestinal issues and can be found in OG Kush and Super Lemon Haze. ENERGY.

Beta-caryophyllene is the only terpene that interacts with the body’s endocannabinoid system, smells spicy, is good for anti-inflammatory and autoimmune disorders, is found in black pepper cloves and cotton, and is in strains like Trainwreck. BODY BUZZ.
https://www.thekindland.com/products/terpenes-are-the-smart-way-to-predict-your-high-438

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
21. OMG that gov site is so full of hyperbole and downright lies
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:34 PM
Oct 2017

"Previous research has found a significant increase in the risk of heart attack in the hours after marijuana use."

https://www.alternet.org/drugs/fact-versus-fiction-three-new-scientific-studies-debunk-marijuana-myths
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28207342


Writing in April in the American Journal of Public Health, an international team of researchers from the United States and Switzerland assessed cumulative cannabis use and cardiovascular risk in a cohort of over 5,000 subjects over a period of more than two decades. Authors reported , "Compared with no marijuana use, cumulative lifetime and recent marijuana use showed no association with incident CVD (cardiovascular disease), stroke or transient ischemic attacks, coronary heart disease, or CVD mortality." They concluded, "In this community-based cohort of young adults followed for more than 25 years, we found no evidence to suggest that cumulative lifetime or recent marijuana use, at levels typical of most recreational, occasional users of marijuana in the United States, affects risk of future CVD events through middle age


"Marijuana users are significantly more likely than nonusers to develop chronic mental disorders, including schizophrenia."

Studies have shown that young people that are susceptible to mental illness and schizophrenia should not be smoking pot as it can make it worse. But that does not apply to the vast majority of users.

" studies show that marijuana use by mothers during pregnancy may be linked to problems with attention, memory, problem-solving skills, and behavior problems in their children."

Same with alcohol. Its not rocket science. If you are pregnant you shouldn't be doing drugs or drinking.

"Marijuana use directly affects the brain — specifically the parts of the brain responsible for memory, learning, attention, decision making, coordination, emotions, and reaction time."

love the way they conflate each of those conditions into one big clusterfuck. All of those conditions are temporary if minor. You don't lose your brain. And the motor skills like attention, decision making, coordination, and reaction time, are negligible even when operating a motor vehicle. In fact one is more attentive driving in a way because you are aware you need to be, and the harm is usually driving too slow than driving too fast. NORML has a variety of studies showing the mild effect it has on motor skills and driving.
http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-and-driving-a-review-of-the-scientific-evidence


"Smoke is harmful to lung health. Toxins and carcinogens are released when marijuana is burned. When these toxins and carcinogens are smoked, they are inhaled into the lungs, increasing health risks. Smoke from marijuana contains many of the same toxins, irritants, and carcinogens as tobacco smoke."

I'd believe the The National Center for Biotechnology Information journal over a government website:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

In conclusion, while both tobacco and cannabis smoke have similar properties chemically, their pharmacological activities differ greatly. Components of cannabis smoke minimize some carcinogenic pathways whereas tobacco smoke enhances some. Both types of smoke contain carcinogens and particulate matter that promotes inflammatory immune responses that may enhance the carcinogenic effects of the smoke. However, cannabis typically down-regulates immunologically-generated free radical production by promoting a Th2 immune cytokine profile. Furthermore, THC inhibits the enzyme necessary to activate some of the carcinogens found in smoke. In contrast, tobacco smoke increases the likelihood of carcinogenesis by overcoming normal cellular checkpoint protective mechanisms through the activity of respiratory epithelial cell nicotine receptors. Cannabinoids receptors have not been reported in respiratory epithelial cells (in skin they prevent cancer), and hence the DNA damage checkpoint mechanism should remain intact after prolonged cannabis exposure. Furthermore, nicotine promotes tumor angiogenesis whereas cannabis inhibits it. It is possible that as the cannabis-consuming population ages, the long-term consequences of smoking cannabis may become more similar to what is observed with tobacco. However, current knowledge does not suggest that cannabis smoke will have a carcinogenic potential comparable to that resulting from exposure to tobacco smoke.

It should be noted that with the development of vaporizers, that use the respiratory route for the delivery of carcinogen-free cannabis vapors, the carcinogenic potential of smoked cannabis has been largely eliminated [47,48].



Some other laughable gems from that site:

There is mixed evidence about whether marijuana can cause cancer, partly because most people who use marijuana also use tobacco, a substance that does cause cancer

Ah....no, for one. Most people who use marijuana do NOT smoke tobaco, at least not today. And also...of course its more carcinogenic to smoke both, ITS BECAUSE OF THE NICOTINE NOT THE THC. But further more, marijuana may in fact inhibit cancer growth:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/279571.php

"THC, the major active component of marijuana, has anti-cancer properties. This compound is known to act through a specific family of cell receptors called cannabinoid receptors," says Dr. Peter McCormick, from UEA's School of Pharmacy.



Poisoning

Eating foods or drinking beverages that contain marijuana have some different risks than smoking marijuana, including a greater risk of poisoning.


Oh my gawd. Can they reach any more? No one has ever died of a marijuana overdose. Only if you injected cyanide into a brownie would it be 'poisonous'.



Sorry but even if there were some small amount of truth somewhere on that page, it has lost all credibility from all the hyperbole, bait-switching and downright lies.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
37. You are reaching and do not make a good case for pot having no bad effects.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:21 PM
Oct 2017

First you seem to have not noticed that you are using .gov websites yourself ...

"I'd believe the The National Center for Biotechnology Information journal over a government website:"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

Guess you didn't see that .gov there at the end. You did that twice, so you lose points there.

I followed some of your links (thank you for including them) and found 2 major studies were based on participant self reported data. Not the best source of data. Also, one of them had 408 participants that were divided into 4 groups, one with about 40 individuals and 2 groups with an n in the 80's. Those sample sizes are too small to generalize to any greater population. Further one study relied on data that was based on past use of pot. So they basically checked the box that said "have you ever used pot" and then conclusions were made without information as to frequency, intensity or duration of pot use or initial age when beginning to use pot. I cannot get at more detailed info as you only provided links to the abstracts not the full studies.

There is way more to tobacco than nicotine (most of it bad), and way more to pot than THC (some of it bad), especially when smoked and inhaled.

The support for your position isn't as good as you think it is. Look at this way - inhaling burning stuff is not good for human health; smoke messes with our lungs. Isolating THC and using it in a medicinal sense gets at the benefits without much of the detriments. Unfortunately smoking it is still how most people partake.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
46. Quite the deft movement of goalposts.
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:27 PM
Oct 2017

From "it can kill" to "isn't as good as you think..."

Quite the deft movement of goalposts on your part.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
50. Smoking anything is bad for you
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:37 PM
Oct 2017

Which is why more people are vaping now, or using concentrates or edibles.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
53. I don't think it has no bad effects
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 03:32 PM
Oct 2017

But there are many things in life that are not all good for you. Too much of anything can kill you. The point is that like alcohol, or even coffee or sugar, salt, etc...there are risks. What irks me is this over the top hyperbole and exaggeration of the potential harmful effects.

Take alcohol. Nothing better on a warm summer day, after a days work, or beside a lake, pouring that first ice cold beer down your throat. Or sipping a nice scotch with an old friend in the evening. But the extreme end is the untold death and destruction found in any skid row area of any major city. Conversely, nothing better than sitting back on a winter day curled up beside a fire, with the Beatles or Pink Floyd swooning you over the speakers and smoke a nice reefer. But the extreme end of that is what?...probably sitting in a jail cell for getting caught with it in one of the more draconian Southern States.

You are right, I did overlook that the NCBL site was also sponsored by the government. But might I just suggest that the CFDC is more of a political all-in-one site, that can be prone to shaping it in whatever way the current government wants, and the NCBL site is more of a nitty gritty scientific study site.

Either way, that was just information that I found putting in a few minutes of googling. There is a lot of studies that come to similar conclusions. But its also difficult to get a lot of peer reviewed studies on effects of marijuana because governments are too politically afraid to pay for them.

I've been using pot for most of my life. Mostly recreational, but lately, with my health problems, for medicinal reasons also. And I am switching to a vaporizer now. I agree that smoking anything into your lungs is not good. Even though other studies show even smoking does not increase your risk of lung cancer. An article I found with a couple of videos interviewing a doctor Tashkin from UCLA Geffen School of Medicine that backs that up.

http://anonhq.com/what-does-marijuana-do-to-your-lungs/

I just found that CFDC site so full of BS that I had to respond. They defeat their own message by filling it with such balderdash. Lying by omission and bait switching etc..
The over-riding message is always: Nothing to excess; let moderation be your guide - Cicero

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
51. I wonder
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:45 PM
Oct 2017

What the heart attack rate is among people just holding their breath. O2 sats go down and heart needs to pump harder.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
14. I'd agree for most part. But actually, the SMOKING can cause lung cancer...
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:14 PM
Oct 2017

just like ciggies, only not as toxic. Better to eat sugarfree brownies.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
29. Correct
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:07 PM
Oct 2017

Smoking anything will cause cellular damage in your lungs, but the chemistry of the smoked cannabis doesn't lead to the cancerous effects of smoking tobacco despite lots of similiarities in what you're inhaling. Can even reduce tumor growth rather than contribute to it. I'm no chemist, but that's what I gather from this paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

Bottom line is that organic chemistry is damn complicated, so small differences can lead to wildly different results.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
44. Again, inhaling smoke into your lungs is harmful, by definition.
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 08:56 AM
Oct 2017

Smoke weed for a couple of years, then try running and see if you can go as far and fast as you did before inhaling smoke into your lungs for years.

It's safer to get it in some other form.

Callmecrazy

(3,065 posts)
56. Also incorrect...
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 05:21 PM
Oct 2017

I've smoked weed for 35 years and run 3 miles 3x a week. Pot smoke has not been shown to damage the lungs. At least not mine.
Speaking from experience.
Pot is as good for you as aspirin and aloe vera.

No more "yeah, but" about it. Pot has been used as food for over 4000 years.

Kali

(55,013 posts)
20. there are a small portion of users who could potentially die from smoking.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:32 PM
Oct 2017

not from the pot directly, but from the effects of dehydration and/or extreme vomiting. it is a strange paradoxical syndrome called Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndrome

http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychiatry/article/77691/addiction-medicine/cannabinoid-hyperemesis-syndrome-result-chronic

many use marijuana for nausea and pain relief, but those with this problem suffer from the symptoms of nausea and severe upper abdominal pain because they smoke. there is danger in not knowing about this syndrome because a lot - if not most - suffering from it continue to use pot in hopes of alleviating the symptoms.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
35. That's why it must at least be decriminalized.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:34 PM
Oct 2017

Doctors can't counsel their patients effectively when they have to admit to a crime (or at least to knowing criminals) by the federal definitions. And if their answer is anything other than "You shouldn't do that" on record, they're potentially risking their licenses.

So a patient, knowing the answer that has to be given, isn't going to ask the question to learn that in their case, it's not a good idea for legitimate reasons vs CYA.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
23. And it can save people by being one of the best ways to wean an opioid addict off
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 07:37 PM
Oct 2017

of the drug!

Reduces the anxiety; helps them sleep; helps with pain; and helps with nausea.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
32. You are correct.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:19 PM
Oct 2017

Marijuana smoke contains carcinogens and this could be a problem for anyone. No smoke is good for lungs.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
33. it kills me that I smoked cigs for so long
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:23 PM
Oct 2017

(jeez I hope that is not an accurate pun)

WTF was I thinking?

moriah

(8,311 posts)
36. Edibles and vaporizers are alternatives.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:49 PM
Oct 2017

And by vaporizer, I mean thingie that heats the plant to lower-than-combustion temperatures, not extracts. I'm very hesitant about playing too much with natural plants. Heated oil extraction for oral administration (to activate certain chemicals a certain level of heat is needed, but not to combustion, and all elements seem equally fat-soluble) is about as far as I think we should tinker.

PufPuf23

(8,785 posts)
34. I already knew that if a large enough crate of marijuana fell on you,
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 08:30 PM
Oct 2017

you could die.

Unfortunately, I have never observed that large a marijuana crate. But is it the crate material or the marijuana within that is the killer?

Thank you for raising awareness of other ways to be killed by marijuana.

 

donotpissoffacow

(91 posts)
57. once upon a time...
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 05:31 PM
Oct 2017

...sitting with a couple of friends on a rocky creek bank listening to the lazy hum of summer bees when somebody yelled "Don't anybody move!". My friends and I looked around to find an angry water moccasin within striking distance behind us. It hadn't been bees we heard. Three of us leaped up at once and fled. I think we broke a stoner speed record and confused hell out of that snake.

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