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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMassive fire Ames Plant Parkersburg WV (zero national coverage?)
The fire was discovered or broke out about 12:30 am Saturday, Oct. 21, 2017. It has been burning since then. Thousands of people are affected by the smoke plume. I live in Marietta Ohio. I saw dark wisps against the blue sky and white clouds. I thought it was the heavy fog lifting from the rivers. But it was smoke from the fire, about 15 miles away. The wisps increased into a heavy black cloud aloft. It was visible all day. My son-in-law is a pilot and he saw the smoke from 30000 ft when he was flying to Phoenix on Saturday. In the evening, I looked out my kitchen window, which faces south and saw a black funnel-shaped cloud blotting out most of the sky. Not a tornado, but shaped like one. Smoke was still visible Sunday. The fire is still burning. The Ames plant building was used to manufacture tools, such as shovel heads. It was closed some years ago. The building was being used to 'house plastics and other material.' Local EPA issued a statement that the smoke wasn't toxic (seriously?) The local hospital has a pulmonary specialist on call. A public advisory said that the heavy rainwe are expecting today will keep the smoke from the yet burning fire low to the ground and the Red Cross opened a voluntary shelter in South Parkersburg. The advisory says to avoid being outdoors. The Wood County schools are closed today, Monday, Oct. 23, 2017. The story is developing. Here are links. Since the fire started Saturday, and the links are more than 24 hours old, I didn't post in LBN.
https://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/cops_and_courts/fire-blazes-for-hours-at-old-ames-plant-in-parkersburg/article_962f0d04-ac14-521b-8a1a-0903fef7477f.html
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,535 posts)He overwhelms the news media with his daily series of offenses, meanwhile there was another Gulf oil spill and I haven't seen any coverage at all...
Botany
(70,517 posts)from the link
Jake Glance, a DEP spokesman, said the DEP has a good idea of what materials were involved in the fire plastic pellets and a material called acrylic resin. Parkersburg Police Supervisor Jill Murphy said the building was not an active plant, and nothing hazardous was stored there.
[The plant] was being used as a storage facility for plastics, a Wood County dispatcher said. We havent been advised anything further.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)retired from oil industry. He said you can't burn plastics without getting toxins. And this time, it isn't just WV residents getting another dose of poison-We're getting it in Ohio. Winds from the South all weekend. I stayed in almost all weekend and I'm telling everyone local to wear masks if they go out. God, if Pruitt's EPA won't post health safeguards, guess the public is on its own.
Botany
(70,517 posts).... and fossil fuels businesses.
BTW where in OH are you? I wonder if Ohio EPA air quality is monitoring
the chemical make up of the smoke too.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)If this were a thunder storm, we'd have alerts every 2 minutes to take shelter. But no one is paying attention. Just out and about. I'm afraid that the after effects are going to be much worse than from a storm. I saw complaints of headaches, irritated throats, smell of burning plastic. As soon as I found out it was a chemical fire, I stayed inside, and suggested to our company to stay in, too.
What bothers me is the lack of regulation. People recovering from the hurricanes are surrounded by toxins, trash, polluted water. We have a smoke plume hovering over one of the most densely populated areas in the Ohio Valley, and by ignoring the perils, our government is encouraging us to accept this as status quo.
Botany
(70,517 posts)Location and Mailing Address
2195 Front Street
Logan, Ohio 43138
Phone: (740) 385-8501
People need to know what is in the smoke and fall out.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)DK504
(3,847 posts)that are rising because of these disasters, I wonder if President Obama ever had toxins recorded by the EPA, I'm sure they have increased by now.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)Waiting for Snott Pruitt to tell everybody that there's no potential health risk from thousands of tons of burning plastic.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)He can stand immediately next to it for eight hours a day until it is extinguished.
jeffreyi
(1,943 posts)SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)Marthe48
(16,975 posts)Numerous environmental regulation violations:
https://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/cops_and_courts/burning-parkersburg-warehouse-had-history-of-environmental-violations/article_8795d927-d2fa-5d7f-82b7-c705c444a7bb.html
Local government actions. Schools are closed tomorrow. Costing $61,000.00/day to fight the fire. Marietta, Ohio fireboats were assisting. Firefighters stopped working on the fire today, because of poor visibility:
http://www.thenewscenter.tv/content/news/452030523.html
I saw an update after Jeopardy. The newsreader said that City of Parkersburg is trying to employ a contractor who has the means to test the smoke, because the local DEP doesn't have the equipment. By now, after exposure for over 48 hours, kind of moot.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)A warehouse this large with that volume of flammable materials should have had sprinklers, but obviously didn't or they failed to function. That would, however depend on WV's fire codes and local codes.
Regarding the smoke hazard, the contents of this warehouse would have been known. Therefore, experts will know exactly what the products of combustion are, and any following health-related lawsuits will use that as evidence. In addition, scientists can estimate the distribution of the smoke over a large area, given standard weather data.
The monitor nozzles the firefighters have set up are simply to contain the fire and protect exposures. It will have to burn itself out.
I can tell you as a former firefighter, smoke from plastics is very bad stuff.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)The old Ames plant. I toured one of the buildings years ago when I was taking drafting classes. They manufactured or finished tool heads, such as shovels, there. That part was an old brick building, probably 100 years old by now. What's burning looks like a pole building. In one of the articles, there was a list of what was stored, but the company violated several environmental regulations, such as failing to apply and pay for a license to store products, submitting a plan for water run-off, and storing things where rain water could come in contact. So I am not very trusting that they were truthful about what was in the buildings. WV government has proven very lax with enforcing laws and making violations stick. The CEO of Massey got a year for his part in the deaths of 29 miners. Freedom Industries got a slap on the hand for contaminating the Elk River in 2014. IEI, which owns the burning factory had to pay $21000.00 of an $81,000.00 fine for violations. They got a 5 yr. extension, which would be revoked if they didn't get in compliance.
I hope this is handled differently. It seems to me that with all of the plants in the area, there should be a plan of action on both sides of the river. But except for updates on tv, not seeing any actions. I am signed up for local hazards, and have gotten no alerts.
Thanks for all of your insight.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)Interesting history. When these old buildings are repurposed, sometimes code enforcement gets lax. Unfortunately, since (I'm guessing) there was little or no employees working there, the immediate life hazard is minimal, so no one considers "what happens when this thing burns", so sprinklers were unlikely to be required.
It would be difficult to prove, but I would guess many people will suffer long-term health effects from this incident. A lot of that particulate will wind up either in people's lungs or in the food chain. Considering the enormous volume of smoke, I hope someone or some agency set up an air monitor to grab some samples of this stuff and do an analysis. Unfortunately some folks saying "it made me cough or dizzy" does not carry much weight.
In a good state, the primary environmental agency would have been there ASAP to do monitoring.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)I read people's comments on a Facebook post, people smell burnt plastic 25 to 43 miles away, in different directions. I went to see my mother-in-law yesterday in a nursing home and 3 of the residents had headaches and Mom had nausea. In a closed building. Several of my friends who live in the Marietta-Parkersburg-Belpre area mentioned headaches and irritated throats. I guess someone has already filed a class action lawsuit.
There was a huge fire at the Shell facility in Belpre, Oh in 1994. You would think that 20+ years is more than enough time to have a plan of action for the community. But no, almost the entire population is going around doing their normal routine, even on Saturday, 10/21, when the smoke blotted out the sun.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)WV has a Dept. of Military Affairs and Public Safety. How can those two departments be combined as one? I don't like seeing this, especially in light of the crumpled bag telling the press corps not to question a general.
Marthe48
(16,975 posts)EPA has demanded a complete list of everything stored in the 10 ACRE site that has been burning since Oct 22, 2017. There is a photo in the link, gives you an idea of the scope of the fire.
http://wvmetronews.com/2017/10/26/state-hits-owners-of-burning-parkersburg-plant-with-an-enforcement-order/
Really.