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TexasTowelie

(112,368 posts)
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 04:47 AM Oct 2017

There's a Crucial Question Trump and His Supporters Can't Answer About Steele Dossier

Since Donald Trump glided down an escalator over two years ago to announce he was going to run for president, I’ve often felt as if I’m living in a world gone completely mad. While I always knew most conservatives were rather gullible and naive, prone to believing ridiculous lies and conspiracies, even I underestimated how low they’d sink to support and defend a presidential candidate.

Nowadays I spend a good portion of my time debating people whose realities don’t seem bound by the laws of indisputable physics. People who criticized Barack Obama for playing golf who now defend a man who plays golf at a pace that will shatter that of his predecessor. People who want to use the Harvey Weinstein scandal to attack Democrats as supporters of sexual predators, who blindly defend and support a man who’s been accused by at least 15 women of sexual assault and/or harassment and was caught on video bragging about sexually assaulting women. People who believed a con man when he said the monthly economic reports were “fake” and “phony” who, less than a year later, now believe these very same numbers because that same con man uses them to brag about himself.

It’s why I’ve said there’s no point in using facts, reality, or even Trump’s own words to prove your case because they simply don’t care. The rules and standards to which they hold others don’t apply to them. Their hypocrisy is so outlandish it borders on outright insanity.

Which brings me to the Steele dossier.

One of the main tactics I employ when dealing with Trump supporters isn’t to use some sort of factual data to prove my point — but make them defend their own talking points.

Read more: https://forwardprogressives.com/theres-a-crucial-question-trump-and-his-supporters-cant-answer-about-steele-dossier/

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There's a Crucial Question Trump and His Supporters Can't Answer About Steele Dossier (Original Post) TexasTowelie Oct 2017 OP
For those wondering what the OP is referring to... jberryhill Oct 2017 #1
The author did take the long way around to get to the point, didn't he? TexasTowelie Oct 2017 #2
Getting to the point wouldn't have gotten more people to click their website Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #4
Not only that but Ligyron Oct 2017 #10
Good article. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #3
One answer could be that no major media outlet bluepen Oct 2017 #5
Forensic detail: Notice that republican Comrade Casino* came DOWN the escalator Achilleaze Oct 2017 #6
Donnie two scoops Scarsdale Oct 2017 #8
Hat and shades dude might be Roger Stone, but more likely not. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #12
Rachel Maddow has pointed out . . . Sam McGee Oct 2017 #7
Doing the doubletake do-si-do with the skanky republican-spawned dossier Achilleaze Oct 2017 #9
The excerpted paragraphs are good but are the best part of the article. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #11
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. For those wondering what the OP is referring to...
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 04:52 AM
Oct 2017

“If the DNC and Hillary Clinton hired Fusion GPS for no other purpose than to slander Donald Trump with fake news, then why didn’t she bring up the Steele Dossier during the election?”

TexasTowelie

(112,368 posts)
2. The author did take the long way around to get to the point, didn't he?
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 04:56 AM
Oct 2017

However, the question he asked is valid.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
4. Getting to the point wouldn't have gotten more people to click their website
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 06:29 AM
Oct 2017

That post is just the DU version of clickbait to lure you in to go to the website full of more ads than content so they get paid for hosting the ads.

Had they just posted it in the body of the post they wouldn't get paid for the ads everyone sees when they follow the link.

bluepen

(620 posts)
5. One answer could be that no major media outlet
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 06:34 AM
Oct 2017

would report the contents of the dossier, so if the Clinton campaign was the only source of the information, it would have raised questions about why they were pushing it, where they got it, how they got it, and whether they had a role in creating it.

And if that’s what happened, then they were probably smart not to go down that road.

Another reason could be that due to the polling, they simply didn’t think they needed to use it against Trump and they were better off keeping their fingerprints off of it.

Who really knows why they didn’t? Just some guesses there. It’s an interesting topic.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
6. Forensic detail: Notice that republican Comrade Casino* came DOWN the escalator
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 06:54 AM
Oct 2017

not up. In a similar metaphorical manner, he is taking America and the people of America DOWN. Not up. Sad.

Who's the mug in the hat and shades?



* republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
8. Donnie two scoops
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 07:32 AM
Oct 2017

has really porked up since then! He has no neck now, his fat head just sits on his shoulders, and his chins roll over his collar.

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
7. Rachel Maddow has pointed out . . .
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 07:23 AM
Oct 2017

. . . that several items in the dossier have been proven to be true while none has been proven to be false.

For example, one item in the dossier claimed Trump was working on a Trump Tower - Moscow deal during the campaign. Sure enough, he was . . . facts emerged in late summer 2017 showing that he was doing exactly that.

Rachel devoted a large segment of one of her shows to listing those items that have been proven.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,032 posts)
11. The excerpted paragraphs are good but are the best part of the article.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 07:57 AM
Oct 2017

The article poses the question: Why pay for oppo research and then not use it if it were faked?

But it provides no Democratic answer as to why not use it if it is true (as we strongly suspect).

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