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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOn Monday, Mueller will charge one person with crimes, Donald J. Trump.
My strategy would be, first get rid of the guy who can pardon all the other criminals. But, we have more than strategy as evidence of what will happen on Monday. Bana Boente resigned. He is a witness to Trump's obstruction of justice. That may be why he resigned this week:
Russia Charges Cast U.S. Attorney Dana Boente Resignation In New Light | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
Of course, there may be others charged with obstruction at the same time, including Jeff Sessions.
Trump's New Impeachable Offenses: Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy, Abuse of Power
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dhol82
(9,353 posts)Not going to happen.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,899 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wishful thinking.
ThatGuyJerome
(15 posts)Sessions recused himself early this year, how would he be charged with obstruction?
Trump will though...and that's all that matters
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)There is absolutely no doubt Trump's motive in firing Comey was to eliminate the person investigating #TrumpRussia and to obstruct the FBI investigation. That is criminal action.
The action was taken be three persons, Trump, Sessions and Rosenstein, and therefore conspiracy statutes prevail:
The conspiracy began earlier, with truth-suppressing acts by co-conspirators Sessions, Flynn, and Kushner. Given perjury, false declarations, or assertion of a false affirmative statement by an individual testifying under oath accompanied by other obstructive, evasive testimony, such as a false denial of knowledge or memory, legal offenses exist. Sessions committed perjury in his confirmation hearing, Flynn lied to the FBI and about his Russia contacts, Kushner failed to disclose his Russia contacts in his security clearance. These acts and Trump's firing of Comey are part of a pattern of actions, a cover up related to the Trump campaign, and have been carried out for a unified purpose and in a concerted manner.
(1) having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the United States authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or
(2) in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true;
is guilty of perjury and shall, except as otherwise expressly provided by law, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. This section is applicable whether the statement or subscription is made within or without the United States.
Obstruction and impeding any inquiry or investigation in Congress is also criminal. Director Comey was a witness before Congress in both public and classified hearings in the very days before his dismissal.
Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.
History repeats. The first charge in Nixon's impeachment resolution was obstruction of justice. Abuse of power and politics can continue to impede investigations. An independent investigation is an immediate imperative.
The best path forward remains unresolved. There were reasons to impeach Trump before this latest action, but political will was lacking. That too is changing, moreso behind the barriers of secrecy imposed by classified information. As more information from the multitudinous investigations is revealed, the demands to end Trump's despotic tenure will grow. I doubt partisanship will be set aside to restore justice and undo an election outcome that never should have been. However, we don't have all the facts yet and when we do, even that may happen. Meanwhile, let the impeachment begin.
pnwmom
(109,009 posts)orangecrush
(19,645 posts)Take down the whole cartel in one swell poop.
Raine
(30,541 posts)but that's all it is, won't happen.
triron
(22,026 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)tblue37
(65,499 posts)him with a Trump loyalist who will fire Mueller when Rosenstein is fired (or forced to resign) for refusing to do so.
fallout87
(819 posts)Look, Mueller can't get rid of Trump, he can't indict him, nothing like that. Congress is the only body that can remove a president. As much as I would LOVE for that to happen, its pure fantasy.
pnwmom
(109,009 posts)So do other top lawyers. It's a matter of controversy, because it hasn't been attempted.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)it won't happen. In the first place, Mueller can't indict Trump. (Actually, he can't indict anyone; the grand jury does the indictments). But even if he could, he wouldn't. Most prosecutors start at the lower levels hoping they'll flip.
I'm still thinking Manafort and/or Flynn.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)He just cannot drag him into court for prosecution while he is president. The charges can be presented to Congress for their action. Once Trump is impeached, the trial can proceed.