Are pedophiles evil or sick?

[milestogo]

What about heroin addicts?

What about alcoholics?

What about a president with narcissistic personality disorder?

Evil or sick?

[TheMastersNemesis]

1. They Are Both. And The Common Belief Is They Cannot Be Cured.

[TexasBushwhacker]

2. As long as they only hurt themselves, I would say they are sick.

But when an addict or alcoholic drives impaired and hurts someone, that's evil. The same goes with narcissists and pedophiles. If a pedophile is abstinent and doesn't act on his or her sexual desires with children, then I'm willing to just label them as "sick". But that is rare and I don't know how a person can be a narcissist and not have victims along the way.

[Ezior]

12. I mostly agree

Just one detail:

If a pedophile is abstinent [..]. But that is rare

Are you sure about that? I was under the opposite impression, that most pedophiles are abstinent. I mean, there are probably millions of pedophiles in the US alone.

I've read a few documentaries about pedophiles, and in those cases they did everything they could to not get in contact with children, not look at child porn, they ask for medical & therapeutical help, etc. And it seemed to work.

Of course it's hard to tell a percentage of abstinent pedophiles because they are not coming out in public for obvious reasons.

(This is unrelated to your post, just BTW: Spacey is not a pedophile. Pedophiles are not attracted to teenagers, and I think it's important to make that distinction, because young boys&girls don't even know that what the man/woman is doing is wrong, while teenagers are usually aware of sexuality and know that it's wrong to have sex without consent, and whether or not they are under the age of consent, so it's a little more like rape/sexual harassment between adults – both are wrong and evil, but different.)

[TexasBushwhacker]

17. I agree. Spacey is not a pedophile as far as we know n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

14. ". . . . drives impaired and hurts someone, that's evil"

No.

The ACT is evil and demands accountability. The person remains sick.

[TheMastersNemesis]

4. I Realize My Statement About Curability Could Be Wrong. Wonder What Recidivism Rate Is.

[RobinA]

18. Actually, Not High

although there are different clinical pictures in pedophilia. Also, propositioning a 14 year old is not pedophilia. Pedophilia is a term rightfully used when the child involved is not sexually developed.

[radical noodle]

5. They have a sickness

that causes them to do evil things. For the others, they have a sickness that can cause them to do evil things.

[Kentonio]

10. This

[MFM008]

6. they should be removed from society

from people they could hurt by being evil and or sick.
Humane treatment but strict supervision.
There is no getting well from either.
Alcoholics, drug addicts and mental patients are treatable.

[defacto7]

7. Those are all very different things there.

Different meanings from different sources of the problem.

Paedophile - male adult with love interets for prepubescent males.. very young 1mo to 13 years. That's a psychological disorder that doesn't likely change. It's illegal 15 and under.

Paederast- male adult love interest for pubescent males.. older boys 14 to 16. A psychological disorder that doesn't likely change. Sandusky of the U of P scandal was a paederast. Spacy is acused of this disorder.

Heroin addiction. A powerful addictive substance that changes brain patterns in anyone who uses it. Usually a social disorder with substance abuse. Possibly curable with side effects.

Alcoholism - comes in many forms. Can be a social disorder or a genetic disposition or both. Mildly curable depending on the individual.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder - Excessive preoccupation with self as a defense against self hatred. Usually learned through bad childhood experiences. It is curable but very difficult. This is not the presidents disorder.

Psycopathic personality disorder - a genetic trait where the hypothalamus is smaller than normal, inability to feel empathy. Excessive preoccupation with self. Non-curable disorder. 8% of humans mostly male have this disorder. Many have productive lives but they have to choose to be civil or social because it's in their best interests, not because they feel emotion for others. Trump is likely a psychopath. Sociopath is an obsolete term that's merged into Narcissistic PD.

Evil... that's a subjective value judgement. You decide.

[Skidmore]

11. So, let's account

for those who prey on little girls while you are drawing fine lines.

pe·do·phile
ˈpedəˌfīl
noun
a person who is sexually attracted to children.

[JI7]

8. if they harm others it is evil .

[brettdale]

9. a herion addict and a alcoholic

This is just my opinion, I have no medical background.

Are harming themselves and their is no victim, they know the
harm they do and they dont like it, theyre sick.

A pedophile harms children and doesnt give a Sh*t, theyre evil.

A Narcissistic president is just a jerk and a bully.

[radical noodle]

20. There is no victim of a heroin addict...

or an alcoholic? I was married to an alcoholic and I can tell you I was a victim. Our daughter was a victim. Heroin addicts (just as meth addicts and others) often have spouses, parents, children who are victims. Friends can also be victims because they will steal things to fund their addictions.

[boston bean]

13. Both. Next Question?!?

[Blue_Adept]

15. There's little research because people's first instinct is usually "kill them all"

A lot of what seems to come up is that this is something in which they're simply "wired" that way while for some it's something that they're groomed towards or the like.

Sadly, because the instinct is kill or jail, research is almost frowned upon and finding ways to help or mitigate aren't really out there because of the level of threat that they're viewed as.

[AngryAmish]

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[Mediumsizedhand]

19. They are hurting others, unlike the alcoholic and addict hurting self. I do not need to define as

evil or sick. Hurting others is enough for me to know the wrong.

[milestogo]

21. Drug addicts and alcoholics do plenty of damage to other people,

[Mediumsizedhand]

22. The damage is either second hand or another part of the equation.

Addictions hurt others in that those that love them are hurt by their behavior and sadness, anger and desperation. That is second hand.

Or

They hurt as in being drunk and killing a car load.

It is not the act of drunk that is hurting anyone. It is the act of driving while drunk that hurts the other.

Pedophilia hurts first hand.

This is not a tough one to understand and with all the sexual assaults being discussed, I get a lot of people just want to defend to make it all stop.

Pedophiles hurt others, not the addict hurts self.

[phleshdef]

23. Sick until they act on it, then evil.