BREAKING: FOUR other sealed indictments...(USA Today)

[brooklynite]

Link to tweet

[berni_mccoy]

1. Flynn, Sessions, Kushner and Jr. That was easy.

[NightWatcher]

7. Your typing fingers to His Noodly Appendages

[underpants]

56. R'Amen

[Loyd]

68. Delicious Noodles!

Thread Recced

[RedSpartan]

33. Nailed it.

[WheelWalker]

46. My money's riding with you

[Honeycombe8]

61. Who else could it be besides Sessions? I don't think it's Sessions. nt

[LonePirate]

67. Bannon, Miller, Page and Parscale are all possibilities.

[Eyeball_Kid]

83. Id be happy with Bannon for espionage.

[volstork]

69. I SO want to see sessions in the slammer.

He would last about 15 minutes...

[Honeycombe8]

72. True. But I haven't heard of anything illegal that he's done. Altho Franken says Sessions lied....

at the Congressional hearings, even the latest one.

[lagomorph777]

82. That's not Franken's opinion; it's fact and it's illegal.

[Honeycombe8]

86. The lie has to be relevant and substantial to the issue to be criminal.

If Franken was talking about Sessions lying about meeting Russians, it's true he lied. But I watched the first one or two hearings, & Sessions was reminded & then "remembered" that he was at the campaign rally and the Russian guy was there. Well, that's not a "meeting," which is what the question was. He's there, Sessions is there... so I doubt they could get him charged and convicted on lying for that.

I think Franken was speaking of something else related to another hearing I didn't see, though.

As far as I know, there was no formal "meeting" between Sessions and the Russians. It's possible I missed something, tho.

[lagomorph777]

93. It's a lot more than that; perhaps this will help you.

http://www.newsweek.com/sessionss-lies-about-his-russia-contacts-chapter-and-verse-687702

"...news outlets reported that his discussions with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the presidential election included campaign-related issues—which, if true, would contradict what Sessions has previously told the Senate...Sessions spokesperson statement in response to those news stories does not specifically deny the accuracy of those reports (see below)...Lying to Congress is a felony, and special counsel Robert Mueller may have jurisdiction here since these statements materially relate to the investigation of Trump campaign relationships with Russia."

[Honeycombe8]

95. As I said, there's not much there. I don't see the info that Sessions was present or KNEW...

about the Kislyak discussions. You see how that works? You are making assumptions on things you want to believe. But I'm looking at the facts: There is no evidence that Sessions was present at any time while Kislyak was discussing the campaign with members of the Trump campaign. What we know is that Kislyak was at a rally, and Sessions was there, too. They saw each other and conversed a bit, but there is no evidence there was a "meeting," or that Sessions had a discussion or campaign discussion with him. But they might. There would be nothing wrong with that, depending on the substance.

Sessions is not in legal trouble, as far as I know. Even if he lied on a point that is unrelated to conspiracy charges.

[lagomorph777]

96. Wow. Just wow.

You won't find much support for that position out here in the reality-based community.

[volstork]

99. Well, for starters,

there's perjury.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029776765

[Honeycombe8]

100. Now that does make a difference.

The excerpt is:

“If there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?”

“Senator Franken, I’m not aware of any of those activities,” Sessions responded. “I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn’t have — did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.”

As Wheeler points out, and as we now have learned from the statement given to Mueller by Papadopoulos, Sessions sat in on a campaign confab at which Papadopoulos explained in detail the offer made to him by various Russian officials to provide dirt of Hillary Clinton.

The highlighted statement is the only provable lie that I have seen and that is relevant to the investigation key points. Ruh-roh. I'd say that deer in the headlights look on Sessions' face lately is there for a reason.

Except that I don't know of a statement by Papadopoulos where he says Sessions was at such a meeting. I'm taking the word of the author of that article.

BUT...almost no one is charged w/perjury when testifying before Congress. It's very difficult to prove. I wonder if the Special Counsel's office has interviewed Sessions. If Sessions lies to them, he could be in serious trouble. (Then again...the Deputy AG appointed the Special Counsel, so how does that affect things?)

[bdamomma]

102. sounds accurate

to me.

[Achilleaze]

2. Kushy (R)

Maybe Junior* too.



* spawn of Comrade Casino, republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

[Not Ruth]

3. Jared, Ivanka, Eric and Don Jr

[PJMcK]

14. Probably not Eric (n/t)

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. "Oh man! Guys! Why are you always leaving me out of everything?"

"It's not fair! DAAAAAAADDDDDDD!!!!!!"

[PJMcK]

18. Assdork says, "What?!" (n/t)

[caballojm]

22. Assdork! You made me spit tea all over my keyboard.

[Marcuse]

29. By playing dumb Eric avoids prosecution and inherits whats left.

?

[mobeau69]

38. Which, hopefully, may not be much.

[Ohiya]

39. And all he had to do was...

..." Act Naturally"!

[unblock]

97. !

[GetRidOfThem]

94. That, actually would not be bad news...

...for those who want to see the Trump estate go under. Under Eric, I think, it would all be gone in no time, while he is still working very hard on trying to turn that CVS calculator on...

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

26. Uh...

...

[hibbing]

54. hehehe

Seth Meyers is always ripping on the poor kid.


Peace

[ToxMarz]

32. And I'm Eric!

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. Sung to the tune of "It can only be Jared's"

[ecstatic]

49. LOL!

[NightWatcher]

5. I'd like to know how many they typically have on the docket in non trump years.

That they are between Papadopoulos and Manafort is very intriguing.

[grantcart]

24. somebody on the thread says they have 60 so far this year.

[Honeycombe8]

63. Doesn't it show who the lawyers are who filed it? It's just the actual document that's sealed? nt

[Hekate]

6. The day just gets better and better

[Dave Starsky]

17. This is going to be a Happy Halloween.

I might even give out full-sized Snickers!

[tclambert]

81. I wish I had an FBI agent costume and could trick-or-treat at the White House.

It would scare Donald so bad you could hear him screaming from Puerto Rico. And they would all smile to hear it.

[awesomerwb1]

8. I hope that racist POS

Kelly is somehow involved as well(yes I know he came later).

[Freethinker65]

9. Junior, Flynn, Page, ? (Possible someone from the Democratic side- not for campaign collusion tho)

[Vinca]

10. Wow - tomorrow may be another indictment flu day. LOL.

[Johnny2X2X]

11. Who are Flynn, Stone, Kushner, and Donald Trump Jr Alex?

I would put the over under at 150 people to be indicted.

[marylandblue]

12. Jared, Flynn, Trump Jr., Flynn Jr.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Flynn, Sater, Page (?), Stone (?)

I really don't think they are going to go with the immediate family... yet. Still early in the process.

[anneboleyn]

36. I think Stone is very likely, Flynn, Page...maybe Jr? If a family member gets indicted Trump is

really going to be crying into his KFC.

[BumRushDaShow]

53. I still think

they will circle Jr & Kushner but not pounce on them yet. As it is, they have all sorts of money laundering/financial irregularities that are probably far more complex than Flynn's or Manafort's - mainly because they not only had their own interests but acted on behalf of their father for his stuff. If anything, NY AG Schneiderman could take them down, and no pardon can happen in that case.

[LiberalBrooke]

92. I agree.

He will circle around the family now leaving them isolated in the center. Then he will pick off Jared and Jr. leaving don the con for the most delicious last.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

15. I vote for all four for the Big Dotard, LOL. n/t

[Justice]

19. Doesn't mean they are Mueller's (doesn't mean they aren't).

Lots of sealed cases in U.S. District Court for D.C.

[Dr. Jack]

20. This story does just seem to be speculation

People are responding to the tweet saying that indictments arent necessarily listed in the order they are received and about 1/3 of all indictments are sealed at the beginning. These could just be unrelated cases that are also at this court. Until another news source starts talking about this, I will hold my excitement

[Marthe48]

59. Palmer report?

http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/sealed-trump-indictment/5796/

If they aren't reliable, n/m

[Dr. Jack]

64. Sure...the Palmer Report

Right up there with The Washington Post and The Guardian

[poli-junkie]

21. I see five (5) case numbers listed, not 4!!!!

[JusticeForAll]

23. Thats because one of them is 201

Which is Paul Manafort’s

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. Patribotic: Trump indicted on RICO & on other charges sources asked not to be reported. Further ...

It's Mensch who has a mixed record but more than once had important scoops. And there are very interesting details. Lots of details.

https://patribotics.blog/2017/10/29/exclusive-mueller-has-dozens-of-sealed-indictments-including-on-donald-trump/

Donald Trump – indicted on RICO over the Felix Sater and Bayrock case, and on other charges which sources have requested we do not report. ... He is also under investigation for sexual abuse and human trafficking relating to Trump Models. ...

Mike Flynn – indicted for failing to register under FARA, the Foreign Agents’ Registration Act, as an agent of Turkey whilst National Security Advisor

While we are able to report that Special Counsel Mueller is holding dozens of sealed indictments, many of which were returned while James Comey was Director of the FBI, we cannot report with specificity who is indicted on what charge other than the two above, because sources were not specific. We have reported on the investigations suspects are facing, and these are listed below.

Listed as under investigation with lots of specifics as to areas:

Mike Pence
Paul Ryan
Rex Tillerson
Steve Mnuchin
Mike Flynn
Mike Flynn Jr

The Republican Party as a body is under investigation for RICO for accepting Russian money. The GOP itself is being considered to be a corrupt organization under the RICO statutes. Sources were firm that the GOP, as it is presently known, may no longer exist after this investigation and a new party of the right may have to form. Sources did not say if charges or indictments had been returned against the party however.

Donald J Trump Jr
Eric Trump

Donald J Trump Jr is on tape colluding with Russia in France before the election. He is being investigated for collusion with Russia over the meeting that was taped in Trump Tower.
(These are not intended to be exclusionary. We are aware of other offenses the Trump sons and their father are being investigated for and are withholding reporting at the request of sources).

Ivanka Trump
Brad Parscale, Jared Kushner, Pyotr Levashov, Michael Cohen and Boris Epshteyn (among several others)
Michael Cohen

Paul Manafort is under more additional investigations than we have time to list here, including FARA violations, money laundering, RICO, bribery, espionage, lying to the FBI, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice. That list is not meant to be exhaustive.

Mitch McConnell
Jason Chaffetz
Devin Nunes
Steve Bannon
Julian Assange

Carter Page is under investigation for espionage. The tape, or recording, of Donald Trump agreeing to change sanctions policy for hacking help, which he took to Moscow, is in the hands of Bob Mueller. The first FISA application made in June 2016, which named Page, Manafort, Epshteyn and Trump, was made over their conversation with Sergei Kislyak in the Mayflower Hotel in which Trump agrees to do this. The FISA warrant application failed, sources speculated, because Trump may not have known at that time that he was being taped.

Jeff Sessions

We have no doubt that this list is not exhaustive.

[DURHAM D]

55. Wilbur Ross - Commerce Sec and VP of Cyprus bank.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

66. Ross basically owns the bank and appointed the CEO from Deutsche Bank exec

DB is said to hold much of tRump's debt, at least the more public part, not the more secret part owed to Russian oligarchs.

[dixiegrrrrl]

62. "sexual abuse and human trafficking relating to Trump Models. ... "

If you recall, the mogul Jeffery Einstein (?) had a party yacht, with his "friends", and underage teen "models".

Trump's name has oft been mentioned about these parties.

After all these months of getting to know that man, I do not doubt the stories at all.

[red dog 1]

79. Jeffrey Epstein is a long-time friend of Trump's

and a convicted pedophile.
He threw many "Lolita" parties, some on his yacht, and some at his NYC town house.
Trump is alleged to have attended at least 4 "Lolita" parties at Epstein's New York City home.
At one of those parties back in the early 1990s, Trump allegedly raped a 13-year-old girl, who filed a written deposition, in federal court, under oath, about the incident.
Another young woman, who worked for Epstein, said in a deposition, under oath, that she witnessed the rape of the 13-year-old girl.
(The Statute of Limitations was waved in this case because it was a rape case)

If what these two women testified to is false, they are subject to a 5-year prison sentence, as well as a huge fine.

If what these two women testified to is false, then why hasn't Trump told his lawyers to sue them both for slander?

(The rape victim was supposed to "reveal her true identity" at a press conference at her lawyer Lisa Bloom's SoCal office last September, but after receiving death threats, the press conference was canceled)

More on the rape in the victim's own words:
http://www.justiceforkatie.com

[red dog 1]

74. Very interesting stuff, but is it true?

I've spent the past 2 hours doing Google searches on Louise Mensch, the founder of the Patribiotics blog.

She certainly is no "progressive"..that's for sure.
In fact, she is a former Conservative member of the British Parliament, and, after marrying American music manager Peter Mensch, in 2011, she moved to the USA in 2012 and became a Republican.

In April of last year, she co-founded Heet Street, a news, opinion and commentary website which has been described as "center-right and libertarian."

She also co-founded the Hudson Union Society, "a members-only institution based in New York City that runs weekly celebrity showcases."
Some of the speakers Hudson Union has hosted include:
- Bill O'Reilly
- Sean Hannity
- Donald Rumsfeld
- Meg Whitman, CEO of Hewlett-Packard (HP)
- Madeleine Allbright
(Hudson Union has also hosted less conservative celebrities such as Al Gore & Jon Stewart)

"Mensch claims she has evidence that Vladimir Putin had Andrew Breitbart murdered to make room for Steve Bannon at Breitbart."...but I could find no evidence that would indicate his death was anything but what the Los Angeles Coroner's Office said..namely,that he died of a heart attack.
The toxicology report showed:
"No prescription or illicit drugs were detected...The blood alcohol (level) was .04%.
No significant trauma was present and foul play is not suspected."
One of his close friends said that "He worked himself to death."
Only two right-wing UK newspapers, The Independent, and The Daily Caller, ran articles suggesting that his death was suspicious.
This bothers me, because if Louise Mensch "has evidence that Vladimir Putin had Andrew Breitbart murdered"...then where is it?
Why didn't she turn over the "evidence" to the Los Angeles Police Department?

So, I'm taking all of what you've posted from Patribiotics with a grain of salt.
I'm not saying that what she claims about the Trump/Russia collusion is absolutely false; but her "unnamed sources" can't be verified, can they?

"The Republican Party is a body under investigation for RICO for accepting Russian money."?
That would be great!....but only if it's true.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

76. 1. Told you to take it with salt, so to speak. 2. We've been over all that Mensch background before.

[red dog 1]

77. 'We've been over all that Mensch background before"?

Please elaborate....I don't understand that part of your reply.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

78. You've laid it out well. The reason we find Mensch interesting is her special sources, not

... not her weird obsessions or her conservative leanings.

She has a special connection with the Intelligence Community because of her defense of them in the past.

Your summary helps readers here who may not have come across that information when it came up in previous discussions.

[red dog 1]

80. Thanks for that

I tried to "lay it out well"

(I even spent about 20 minutes researching her music promoter husband, who seems OK)

I didn't know that Mensch has been a part of previous discussions on DU.

I will read the entire "Patribiotics" article tomorrow, when I have more time.
"Exclusive: Mueller Has "Dozens" of Sealed Indictments, Including On Donald Trump"

(Thanks for posting that link)

[Midnight Writer]

88. Thank you from me. I did not know about "Mensch background". I appreciate the info.

[red dog 1]

98. You're welcome

Part of my reason for questioning Mensch's authenticity is her statement that she
"has evidence that Putin had Andrew Breitbart killed so that Steve Bannon could take over Breitbart"

I argued that only a couple of right-wing UK newspapers shared her opinion that Breitbart was murdered; but after thinking about it last night, I now suspect that she may be right about his death being a murder ordered by Putin.
His blood alcohol level was .04, which is pretty high, and I remembered that one or two other former Putin allies were poisoned (in London, I think) with a radioactive element that only showed up in toxicology tests because the coroner tested for them.
In Los Angeles, where Andrew Breitbart died, it's very doubtful if the coroner there tested for radioactive elements which could have caused death, so the LA toxicology tests showed
"no illicit substances".
But Breitbart, like the other two Putin victims in London, had been drinking alcohol before he died, and not just one or two glasses of wine or beer either.
A .04 alcohol level means that he probably had several drinks, and they may have been spiked with that radioactive element that Putin used to kill the other two in London.
So Mensch may be right about her assertion that Putin had Andrew Breitbart killed.

[poli-junkie]

27. Oh, got it -- thanks!

[L. Coyote]

28. MAGA - Many Are Getting Arrested

Mueller Has Dozens of Sealed Indictments, Including On Donald Trump

[wiggs]

30. do we know when these indictments were sealed? nt

[BainsBane]

31. That doesn't necessarily mean they are Mueller's?

Does it?

[MFM008]

34. cant wait........

[OliverQ]

35. Doesn't mean they're part of Mueller's investigation.

[ancianita]

37. Very interesting. Not necessarily by the FBI, though. We'll soon find out, I hope.

[Corvo Bianco]

40. Yummmy

[pintobean]

41. Of 188 criminal cases filed this calendar year, about 60 are currently sealed.

Link to tweet

[jberryhill]

42. These may not be at all related to the Mueller investigation

It is not unusual for a federal district court to have any number of sealed cases on the docket.

[floppyboo]

51. that's only 4 from Oct 4 to Oct 27.

Or at least that's what I thought I heard - Papadopoulous was Oct.4?
not getting excited yet. Big country. You'd have to guess there's a good chance not all 4 are related to Meuller's investigation.

[metalbot]

73. He was arrested in July, pled guilty Oct 4. nt

[onetexan]

43. holy cow i can't handle this, way too much indictments announced today, much to my delight

was telling the hubby i was hoping Mueller would drop one a week

[Tommy_Carcetti]

44. I think Page and Flynn are in there somewhere.

Maybe a couple of other critical but lesser known players like Papadopoulus as well.

I think the Jared and Junior indictments are still in the works and haven't been filed yet, but they will be.

[floppyboo]

45. How come that snake Steve Miller gets left out of all the guessing games?

Unfortunately, might be Tony Podesta, as the whole Ukranian lobby/thinktank/thingy seems pretty high up in the flotsam.

[Tatiana]

47. Flynn, Flynn Jr., Kushner, and Trump Jr.

Man this is going to be like Fitzmas on steroids....

[floppyboo]

48. Can you explain this 'fitzmas'? I thought it was famous for being a nothing burger eom

[gerryatwork]

50. ****Must See- Link From RedState***

This man may be the key. He has pleaded guilty and looks like he has flipped if this is true. This could be the tipping point.
https://www.redstate.com/prevaila/2017/10/30/whoa-goerge-papadopoulos-wear-wire-mueller-team-trump-conversations/

[Nevernose]

57. Talking head on CNN just said similar

Claimed the only logical reason the arrest was in June, the plea was three months after, the announcement was almost a week after that, and the whole thing was kept secret was that he was wearing a wire.

Seems reasonable. It also occurs to me that, with seemingly all of their lawyers being dirty, too, a lot of the stuff that would normally be privileged is fair game.

[Sam McGee]

52. Why do I keep hearing . . . .

. . . someone in the background singing that old song from the Carpenters --

[lindysalsagal]

58. If this one turns out to be true: We'll have to start a new constitution to handle it.

The Republican Party as a body is under investigation for RICO for accepting Russian money. The GOP itself is being considered to be a corrupt organization under the RICO statutes. Sources were firm that the GOP, as it is presently known, may no longer exist after this investigation and a new party of the right may have to form. Sources did not say if charges or indictments had been returned against the party however.

I haven't the foggiest idea how we'd run the country with one half of the legislators compromised by a foreign government: We'd have to have emrgancy appointments and then emergency elections.

Holy. Crap.

[Honeycombe8]

60. Wow!!!! This is an historical day, folks. Historical. nt

[mjvpi]

65. 202? 203? 204? ........

Manafort has been in the sights for a long time. What about all of the people associated with the Cyprus banks? Cambridge Analytics? The issue is interference with the election.

[StevieM]

70. Maybe it is the four people who Papadopolous allegedly reported on his meetings to. (eom)

[SummerSnow]

71. This is so freaking exciting

[red dog 1]

75. I, too, think it's Flynn, Sessions, Kushner & Don Jr.

K&R

[roamer65]

84. Flynn, Dotard Jr, Kushner and Stone.

[highplainsdem]

85. Please read the replies to that tweet. The sealed indictments may not have anything to do with

Mueller's investigation. The reporter who posted that admits he isn't sure, and that about a third of all indictments there are sealed. No way to know yet if these are from the Mueller investigation.

[TeamPooka]

87. Let me know when one say "Sealed, Bigly"

[Vestigial_Sister]

89. I want...

Stone aka 'The Fuck Stick' busted. Can't wait to see his 'Zippy' head explode.

[Quayblue]

90. I just tried to unhighlight this.

between this fucked up administration and accounting class, I probably need a break..

[susanna]

91. I like this.

Truly, Papadopoulous (?) threw me for a bit of a loop today, and I'm not sad about that.

Let's hope there are other outliers that can bring down this whole house of overplayed cards. That would be lovely.

I can wait for the obvious (and odious) players. They'll be there in due time, but I love the idea that they will all sweat bullets while the foundation/patsies who thought they could fly under the radar expose themselves. I'm nice that way.

I want them all.

ALL.

[bdamomma]

101. Bring it on...

I am all ears!!