As an aside I have three female employees who not only voted for Trump

[PCIntern]

but would beg to wipe his behind if he took a dump on their workspaces.

So they were uncharacteristically quiet and moody today and when I asked, "Are you OK...are you sure?", two of them snapped at me and one stayed "strangely silent".

Of course I was buoyant and talked sotto voce with my staff who are Democrats: that is the 'other' seven ladies. I kept saying what a good mood I was in and was whistling Chopin's funeral march all day. I haven't been smiling much due to political and unfortunately, some personal reasons, but I sure was on this day!!

[GentryDixon]

1. Makes you wonder how anyone can still

support him. You have the upper hand, so enjoy😍

[whathehell]

10. Bad advice..

Taking advantage a "superior" position to taunt or harrass an employee for something not work related is not a good idea.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

35. Don't worry, I'm sure they are not bright enough to know their classical music. Even one that famous

[emulatorloo]

77. Lighten up Francis

Doubt op is going to taunt or harass them. Certainly not going to grab them by the pussy, as you seem on the verge of insinuating.

[Amimnoch]

192. What a fucked up thing to jump on someone with.

"lighten up Francis"?? Just because the poster had the audacity to say "Taking advantage a "superior" position to taunt or harass an employee for something not work related is not a good idea."??

That's somehow an equivocation to insinuating that the op is going to say "grab them by the pussy."?

"Francis" isn't the one that needs to lighten up. It was good advice. Obviously given in good faith. It didn't deserve that kind of assholery kind of snark and insult.

I don't think the OP was over the top, or close to anything that would compromise standard business legal compliance ethics, but since when is recommending civility on DU something that deserves that kind of shitty response?

Shame on you.

[SCantiGOP]

205. Ah, a bit of DU irony

An uncivil post to lecture someone about an uncivil post.

[7962]

300. HAaaaaaaaaaa! And I always wondered if anyone got the reference when I use it.

It DOES date us a bit!
At some point, someone will alert on it though, just watch.

[whathehell]

208. Thank you.

[Hortensis]

227. Bad advice also because 2018 is coming up fast, and

it sounds like these women just may be voters.

Anyone can be a barbarian; it requires a terrible effort to remain a civilized man. -- Leonard Woolf

[emulatorloo]

270. ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029772676#post236

A DU'er wrote:

236. obviously they had talked politics before

[whathehell]

207. You lighten up, dear

and read what's written, not what you imagine I "seem to be on the verge of insinuating"

[Snake Plissken]

105. What would Trump do?

[cwydro]

256. I agree.

Smh.

[LiberalLovinLug]

283. Its not nice to do that but I don't think she took advantage of "superior" position.

Firstly, I don't interpret "harass" as being happy that a rapist, criminal, racist, megalomaniac asshole is a small step closer to being charged himself. Even if some of his cult followers are within earshot. If anything they should know just how despised he is. That others are not afraid to stand up and cheer his demise.

But also, are we in a "superior" position now just because Mueller has charged two of Trumps minions who may never testify against him?

I don't see that. Trump still rules with a super majority. He and the GOP are still daily dismantling every good thing Obama accomplished. To take a second and enjoy a small battle won...yes, even in front of the enemy...should be allowed for pete's sake.

[whathehell]

289. I believe you've misinterpreted my post..

The "superior" position I was referring to was the OP's because he is the Boss, not because he's anti-Trump. I do agree that too much may have been made of PC Intern's actions. I just thought that gloating too much may come close to "creating a hostile work environment", but that may not be the case, in this instance.

[LiberalLovinLug]

320. Sorry, I did misinterpret

I hadn't read it correctly and thought this was about this persons fellow employees. I also wasn't even clear on their gender, not that that matters.

So I see your point that he is in a position of authority. But still, meh....I'm not above submitting to my baser instincts at times and after the absolute decimation of fairness and decency stemming from the debocle of last November, I'd have loved to be a fly on the wall in that office just to watch their sad little contorted faces having to bite their lips and just accept reality being shoved down their throats for a change. They can still claim the last laugh, that their very own pussy grabber is still in charge at the end of the day. Its only a tiny jab in the vast scheme of things IMO.

[d206s50]

328. Workplace No Politics

As an employer, I never discuss politics and would never allow this in my business. Their politics is none of my business, and mine is none of theirs.
Same policy when I meet with clients.

[whathehell]

329. Good idea. n/t

[DavidDvorkin]

2. "Funeral March of a Marionnette" would be even better.

[renate]

3. perfect! I'm impressed!

Bravo!

[Mediumsizedhand]

4. There's a certain expectation in a work environment and being taunted for political opinion is wrong

[ecstatic]

11. What did he do wrong? He asked if they were ok

Clearly they've made their political opinions known, so very light teasing is fair game, IMO.

[Mediumsizedhand]

14. He is clear on his political stance. He understand theirs. He called them out and taunted.

Whistled, sang a song, making it an uncomfortable place. I had an owner do it to me day after the election, two hours sleep and his "playing" with me that I certainly did not find, "funny". This person did the same. It is wrong.

[ecstatic]

18. Were you allowed to curse him out (if you wanted to)? If not, that's

a problem. But if the boss/owner can dish it and take it, then I don't see a huge problem. The workplace isn't always going to be a sterile, joke-free atmosphere. Each place has different norms.

[Mediumsizedhand]

20. It is inappropriate for a work environment. That simple. I don't understand why you do not get that

[ecstatic]

29. Because every workplace is different.

One size doesn't fit all. There are workersplaces (mine included) where people can and do joke about politics.

Also, re-read the OP. It's not as sinister as you're making it out to be. The whistling and pep in his/her step could have been related to anything, not necessarily the long overdue arrests. The only way the employees could link the happiness to the arrests would be if they're somewhat close (not a distant/ awkward boss/employee relationship).

[Mediumsizedhand]

55. Just like sexually harassing employee is wrong. Taunting employees making environment uncomfortable

is wrong. This is not rocket science.

[emulatorloo]

85. I figured you'd go there. OP didn't sexually harass them. He whistled a song.

I understand over the top Hyperbole is the fuel of DU, doesn't mean it isn't bs though.

[Mediumsizedhand]

90. What employer is going to allow this environment and call himself professional?

This is not running a business 101, I assure you, however you want to argue it. Then jump in the mud with the rest?

[emulatorloo]

94. I might agree with you, but I find your claim that this is equivalent to sexual harassment

BS. I wouldn't tweak these folk but insinuating what OP did = grabbing them by the pussy is garbage

[Mediumsizedhand]

97. I didn't say it was equivalent. You did. Like harassment of any kind, it is wrong.

Making the work environment uncomfortable for any employee is wrong. Not rocket science. Pretty damn basic.

[emulatorloo]

101. Read your post title, you equated it w sexual harassment.

"Just like sexually harassing employee is wrong." That's the title of your post I responded to.

Do not play games w me or lie about me

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029772676#post55

[Mediumsizedhand]

107. It is not equating it the same level, but equating harassment as wrong. We get sexual harassment is

wrong. Hence, using that term, just as this type of harassment, political belief is wrong. This is not hard. We Dems fight for the employee.

[emulatorloo]

112. I have zero tolerance for false equivalencies, especially when the end result is trivializing sexual

harassment as you've done by equating it with whistling a tune. It's bullshit and we are done.

[Mediumsizedhand]

118. I have zero tolerance for people with an agenda only hearing what they want to hear,

so they can say how they have zero tolerance for defending something indefensible.

[emulatorloo]

124. I have no agenda other than pushing back against hyperbolic nonsense.

As I said above, you have trivialized sexual harassment in the workplace with your false equivalencies.

Again own your bullshit and don't lie about those who point out your bullshit. Everyone one can read your nonsensical posts and dishonest smears.

Have the last word, we are done.

[Mediumsizedhand]

133. Harassing sexually, bad. Harassing in other manners, good. Ok. I was taught differently.

Harassing bad. Bullying, bad. My bad.

Done. Have the last word to dismiss and embrace creating an uncomfortable environment to employees, which Dems have always fought against.

[emulatorloo]

161. I didn't say that. I asked you not to lie about me yet you did anyway

[Mediumsizedhand]

170. I didn't not say sexual harassment was equal to this type harassment either. Doesn't seem to matter

to you

[emulatorloo]

180. I expect you to call me a rapist next

Cut it out. Smear me all you want, those reading know better.

[Mediumsizedhand]

184. Seriously? You accuse me of hyperbole all the while

addressing your comments to me in a more extreme manner. I will not be replying again.

[emulatorloo]

261. A little taste of your own medicine, perhaps? Hyperbole is apparently fine when yr using it against

others. Not so fine when someone gets hyperbolic at you.

I had a genuinely abusive boss. Manipulative, Liar, humiliated us in public, had loud screaming fits at us. The least harmful thing she did was having us rearrange all the furniture in our large space every two months because she read in some dipshit book it would shake up her employees.

Your nonsense cheapens and diminishes those who have actually been in an abusive work environment.

[Mediumsizedhand]

265. "A little taste of your own medicine, perhaps?" Back pedaling much?

I am good championing a safe, non threatening, non abusive environment for employees. You disagree with me, that this Op went over the line. As I have the right to my opinion, you have the right to yours. I have luckily never had an employer that was so childish or thought a hostile environment was a good idea. I have never felt it a good idea when I was an employer. Other than that, there is not much to say.

[emulatorloo]

268. So now you're insinuating I'm in favor of threatening and abusive work environments?

Nice!

[Mediumsizedhand]

274. No. I am stating my position as an employer. Do keep playing the game. I see you doing it thru out

the subthread.

I get you do not have issues with what the Op did. I do. As an employer I would not behave in this manner. I do feel a greater responsibility and those that would do this to employees I feel are creating an hostile work environment. I AM allowed an opinion and preference in behavior and beliefs.

Now, how will you twist this to some kind of false accusation?

[Eko]

187. did you see this?

"Just like sexually harassing employee is wrong. Taunting employees making environment uncomfortable is wrong. This is not rocket science."
Because you are acting like you didnt.

[emulatorloo]

264. I had a genuinely abusive boss. Poster claiming whistling a song is the same as sexual harassment

really irks me.

No this boss did not sexually harass us. But this boss psychologically manipulated us, gaslighted us ("I never said that!), tried to pit us against each other by pulling one person into the office and lying about the other person, screamed at us, you name it.

[58Sunliner]

249. Well now, who is really guilty of false equivalency?

As a rape survivor and a survivor of workplace sexual harassment, you are offensively jumping the shark.

[emulatorloo]

267. I am so sorry you had to go through that. That you were subjected to that makes us all here angry.

That the poster equated whistling a song with sexual harassment is what irked me.

IMHO his rhetorical tactic trivializes real workplace abuse.

I had a boss who psychologically manipulated and abused us. Screamed at us, lied about other employees to other employees, gaslighted us constantly. None of that is the same as whistling a tune.

[ChubbyStar]

127. You are just begging for a fight...what will stick?

Cussing, sexual harassment, food, now intolerance. This is comedy gold!

[emulatorloo]

153. Got caught up in his own OTT hyperbolic nonsense, now he's trapped in it and is super defensive

Of course we're the bad guys

[whathehell]

210. Thank you..

[whathehell]

209. There are other kinds of workplace harassement besides

sexual, and as far as "going there", you went there first by accusing me of "being on the verge of insinuating" that connection.

[LanternWaste]

238. Your investment in this almost seems sincere.

Your investment in this almost seems sincere.

[treestar]

236. obviously they had talked politics before

it is not like sexual harassment; don't make light of sexual harassment by making it equal to kidding around about politics. He could fire them if he was so evil - no law says you can't fire someone because they are of a political party.

[relayerbob]

142. I agree with you

It's called "Creating a hostile work environment". It's ethically wrong and in many states can result in lawsuits.

[Mediumsizedhand]

145. Exactly. Thank-you.

[adigal]

167. I just knew someone would be upset about this...they are lucky he didn't fire them for being so

stupid. I may have.

[Mediumsizedhand]

174. So, you would fire someone with differing political views, or because you told them not to discuss

politics at work, creating an uncomfortable environment and they continued?

Cause if you fire someone because they do not believe the same as you, well.... Harsh. Some liberals would not be working in these red states.

[adigal]

177. I'm being somewhat snarky, but really, I wouldn't want such stupid women who can't think critically

working for me. I wouldn't fire them, but I sure wouldn't tiptoe around them. It's my company. I get to set the tone as one of liberal, caring values.

[Mediumsizedhand]

183. As an owner, I feel that tone I set is about creating a positive environment that will serve

productivity and profit well. I think what happened here is wrong. I would have called the women on it immediately if they had addressed the boss as the boss said they did. I would not have allowed that to continue, allow them to make a lousy environment for me and others. But, I certainly would not egg it further.

So when Trump wins next time? Do they get to go around doing a happy dance rubbing it in others face. I mean, it does not make sense, as an employer.

[stonecutter357]

278. I would not want racist pigs working for me at all..

[Mediumsizedhand]

279. Some of this conversation is disheartening.

Is that all Republicans, all who voted Trump, all who voted Trump, didn't vote or voted third party allowing Trump? You would really discriminate in that manner?

Or are you simply stating if an employee proved themselves racist, that is who you would find a way to fire, or not hire?

[shanny]

175. Really. Firing someone for political beliefs?

[stonecutter357]

277. i don't need racist working for me....

[shanny]

288. Political beliefs racists?

[d206s50]

330. HWP Attorney

Then you would have a hostile workplace lawyer in you office faster than a New York minute.
Better get out your checkbook.

[58Sunliner]

243. I agree.

[stonecutter357]

272. sexually harassing employee like this?

&t=43s

[Mediumsizedhand]

275. Said who? Reading comprehension and the lack of for an argument.

[Kaleva]

25. Personally I made it a policy for myself to never discuss religion, politics or any hot button issue

I was a blank slate at every workplace. The primary task was getting the job done and I didn't want anything to interfere with that.

[58Sunliner]

246. Riiight. Sure. He was able to curse out a boss. Uh-huh.

That's a reality many of us have, with no repercussions.

[gopiscrap]

41. if they were my employees I would have done more than that

if I owned the company I would have found a way to fire them

[Mediumsizedhand]

56. Then it works both ways.

[gopiscrap]

59. I agree, but I would never find myself working for some shit bag republican

I have always worked for the State or in progressive churches/church agencies because I know what I am like and I would have popped off and gotten fired

[Mediumsizedhand]

74. When living in a fucking red state, it is a matter of eating or not. Wow.

[ChubbyStar]

92. You bring up cussing, then sexual harassment, now eating?

I would love to play darts with you!

[adigal]

169. I'm in upstate NY, in a red area, work in a conservative school

Lots of Republicans and evangelical Christians. Ugh. Phonies.

I put up with a LOT of crap, including the most blatant sexism you could believe.

[Mediumsizedhand]

176. Right. It makes work really lousy, right? As Democrats, we expect and work hard for more.

That is all I am saying.

[adigal]

179. Yes, it does. I have had anxiety when headed to work for 14 years now. NT

[Mediumsizedhand]

190. I do not believe any employee should have to live that way. I have worked in red most all my life

and I was treated respectfully. I have had excellent bosses and managers and they would never allow an environment that was hostile for political beliefs. Once, some fool man thought he was being funny and caused a ripple for three days until I addressed it, when I was ready, to relieve the anxieties that were created by this mans one faux pas.

I am sorry you have had to live that for 14 yrs. Maybe that is why I feel so strongly about this. It does not have to be, with good management.

[adigal]

303. When your adminstration is conservative and very CAtholic, others Evangelicals

The management is a huge part of the problem.

[LanternWaste]

239. Your life is both righteous and pure.

Your life is both righteous and pure. We are wonder-found.

Else, it would be the petulant irrelevance of third-grader to scold others on their behavior when ours falls so short of the mark.

[Laffy Kat]

61. This is a hard one but I stand with PCIntern.

And if we were talking about just regular politics, I'd totally agree, but....I mean, it's Trump. This is not politics as usual. Under 45 our country is heading toward fascism. Our reproductive rights are blatantly under attack, voting rights are rolling backward; our president actually ENCOURAGED police to beat people! I'm sorry, I say, gloat proudly.

[Mediumsizedhand]

76. He took advantage of power and position to taunt employees. I am astounded.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

157. I can't believe you're being so rigid about this, when it's clear he was being *chipper*

No more, no less.

The circumstances of this orange monster are so different from anything we've experienced before in the U.S. as to require modifications of judgment. Similar to openly opposing Hitler--which we still have the right to do without fear of repercussions (well, mostly without fear.).

I'd say PCIntern was admirably self-restrained.

I wonder, by the way, if the trump loving "ladies" were as respectful of their colleagues as you rightly think they should be.

[pnwmom]

191. By smiling and whistling Chopin? Yeah, right. n/t

[Mediumsizedhand]

194. He knew what he was doing. They knew what he was doing. I have never gotten this pretending stuff.

[pnwmom]

195. They knew he was happy. Tough. n/t

[LanternWaste]

240. I think you do get the "pretending stuff." I think you get it very, very well indeed.

I think you do get the "pretending stuff." I think you get it very, very well indeed.

[Lazy Daisy]

196. I'm with you on this

As much as it may have felt really good to do so, it's wrong. It create hostility and animosity

[gopiscrap]

82. me too

[mreilly]

91. This is why we get called snowflakes...

Thanks to you.

Thanks.

Thanks for nothing.

[Mediumsizedhand]

93. Being professional and a comfortable environment for all employees is being a snowflake?

[mreilly]

96. His employees didn't adhere to professionalism

... nor did he abuse those boundaries.

He didn't abuse them.

He didn't harass them.

He didn't fire them.

He gave it back to them. Meaning he stood up. Oh, he whistled a tune. I'm sure the little sweethearts will survive.

Anyone remember standing the fuck up?

[Mediumsizedhand]

100. Then as an employER it is his responsibility to address the employees not being professional

and not be a participant in the catty.

[tammywammy]

106. I 100% agree

As a manager you're job is to manage. Which means if you have employees treating you like he says they did you manage the situation - you put a stop to it. As a boss or manager you don't behave the way the OP did either.

[Mediumsizedhand]

108. Yes. Not hard. The job.

[mreilly]

109. Did you even read his post?

It's literally like being in Bizarro Universe. This is like I logged onto Freepershitville.com instead of DU.

This ally reported that some of his Trump supporting employees were being pissy today.

Talked quietly to some of fellow political supporters.

Whistled a fucking tune.

And now we've got you recommending HR interaction if our pal didn't like them being Trump fans yada yada yada.

Can you stop? Is it possible for you to stop?

Donald Trump is out there, friend. Help us go get him. Stop this nonsense.

[octoberlib]

152. I agree. He didn't even mention politics. Just asked them if they were okay. This is flat out loony.

[GoneOffShore]

254. Some people climb a hill, and then decide it's the one they must defend.

Or find a bunch of windmills that reminds them of giants.

[7962]

301. And these days, folks will file a complaint on ANYTHING.

[Eko]

19. No its not.

He is the Boss, they don't get to say what they want without fear of reprisal. Its harassment.

[Tarc]

173. Thank you for your "concern"

Last edited Tue Oct 31, 2017, 03:59 PM - Edit history (1)

It has been filed in the appropriate receptacle.

[Eko]

5. that's not cool man.

It's actually workplace harassment.

[TexasBushwhacker]

27. I have to say I agree

Being a Democrat in Texas, my jobs have usually been around lots of Republicans. I avoided political discussions and I would be pissed if someone tried to drag me into one.

[pnwmom]

140. Why is smiling a lot and whistling Chopin workplace harassment?

I wouldn't recognize that funeral march or draw any inference from it.

I think you're overblowing this. After a long difficult year, many of us were happy today. That's all PCIntern was doing -- expressing his happiness.

[Eko]

147. Ask yourself why you think

he was whistling Chopin's funeral march, was that because he was happy?
Also ask yourself this, was this said with no ill intent? "This reasoning is EXACTLY why liberals and Democrats lose every frigging time: you can't bear to dish it out"
Dish it out.
At work.
To employees.
By the boss.

[pnwmom]

149. Ask yourself why you think anyone would even recognize the whistled Chopin? I sure wouldn't. n/t

[Eko]

151. As with any legal thing

it is intent not perception.

[pnwmom]

154. And how would you expect them to prove his intent? All they would even know is that

he was smiling and whistling a lot. Not much of a legal case there.

[Eko]

162. He already stated his intent to us.

"This reasoning is EXACTLY why liberals and Democrats lose every frigging time: you can't bear to dish it out"
Even if they understood it or not does not make it untrue that he engaged in harassment by his own words.

[pnwmom]

166. On a message board they almost certainly don't read, using a screen name they won't recognize. nt

[Eko]

171. So if they dont know

a crime was committed then the person did not commit that crime?

[Mediumsizedhand]

178. Or, if you cannot prove it in a court of law, okey dokey.

[Eko]

185. This whole thread has been very interesting

Hasn't it? I'm amazed at the people coming to the defense of someone admittedly harassing their own employees.

[Mediumsizedhand]

193. I was taught how to be a manager, that served me well as an owner, from an excellent mentor.

Not to mention, I have always had kick ass bosses that would never allow this in a work environment and it served all us well. That has always been my goal, when I was in that position.

Surprised as hell. Truly. lol. Knock me on my ass surprised.

[Eko]

197. Nice!!

My job is awesome, my company is great, my employees are great and we don't tolerate harassment at all. I do everything I can to make the workplace as fun and conformable to everyone as I can. I would never, ever do what the op did. The op owes apologies to the employees involved, that is exactly what I would do in that situation, then I would have that conversation on politics in the workplace.

[Mediumsizedhand]

198. Exactly. This is what being a manager is. I would handle it exactly the same way.

We seem to be in the minority, lol.

[Eko]

202. Well,

We actually have experience at it, a lot of the people posting don't. It's part of our job, not theirs. Doesn't make them right, just ignorant and wrong.

[pnwmom]

189. Smiling and whistling in your own workplace has never been a crime. LOL. n/t

[Eko]

214. Sure it can be.

If you are doing so in retribution for something while you talk, discipline, or fire them yes it is. Key word of which the op has stated, in retribution. Maybe you should google employment discrimination before you opine on it, it would be helpful to the discussion.

[pnwmom]

224. Please show me a single case won by an employee complaining that her employer

smiled or whistled classical music or did something equally harmless -- and that she just KNEW that her employer was trying to harass her.

You are the one suggesting google, so you do the googling. Show me that a comparable case exists. The burden of proof is on the person asserting that something exists.

[Eko]

311. UCLA law good enough?

"Art and Music: Likewise, art or music that is seen as politically offensive, misogynistic, or sexually themed can lead to harassment liability. A U.S. Court of Appeals in Slayton v. Ohio Dep't of Youth Services, for instance, upheld a $125,000 damages award based in part on a coworker's playing "misogynistic rap music" and displaying "music videos depict[ing] an array of sexually provocative conduct." 52"
"In fact, speech can be punished as harassment even if it isn't overheard by anyone who is offended. Consider Schwapp v. Town of Avon, a Second Circuit case holding that "ten racially-hostile incidents of which [plaintiff] allegedly was aware during his 20-month tenure," of which only four occurred in his presence, were enough to create a potential harassment case. "The district court," the Circuit held, "erred in failing to consider the eight . . . incidents that did not occur in Schwapp's presence," including one "made prior to Schwapp's employment" and "two comments made during Schwapp's employment [but outside his presence] that were hostile toward minority groups of which Schwapp is not a member. . . . [T]he fact that a plaintiff learns second-hand of a racially derogatory comment or joke by a fellow employee or supervisor also can impact the work environment . . . ." 55"

http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/harass/breadth.htm

[pnwmom]

313. Nothing in here is remotely comparable to what PCIntern described:

whistling Chopin, smiling, and speaking in a low voice.

No political language, nothing sexually themed, misognynistic, or racially derogatory.

There's no comparison.

[Eko]

314. Ok, no comparison.

"This reasoning is EXACTLY why liberals and Democrats lose every frigging time: you can't bear to dish it out"

[whathehell]

211. Sounds like proposing "whatever you can get away with"

Great values there.

[cwydro]

257. He also said he was talking to the other employees in low tones.

I dont think this was good behavior either.

[Kaleva]

258. Promoting division in the workplace.

[pnwmom]

290. That would be considerate behavior if you had something to say to one employee

and you didn't want to disturb anyone else who was doing their work.

Good grief. No wonder they call Democrats "snowflakes."

[Amimnoch]

203. How about whistling hail to the chief after the last election?

How about whistling I wish I was in Dixie after the Charleston protests?

Taunting is still taunting even if it's done with a pleasant demeanor. The work place is one place where people shouldn't have to deal with that kind of stuff. Unless it is a political party workplace, like a DNC, or campaign office where everyone shares the same leanings.

[Eko]

204. Yup.

Great comment.

[Kaleva]

6. Can of odd behaviour at your workplace. I wouldn't want to work there.

You show contempt towards your employees. A couple of your employees snapped at you. A very hostile work environment IMHO.

[whathehell]

8. If you take advantage of your position

to taunt them, you become the kind of bullying creep that is generally despised. Don't do it.

[ClarendonDem]

9. Good to see others disapprove

Of this type of unacceptable behavior. Democrats lose the high ground inch by inch when they act like this. Eventually just becomes a race to the bottom, which I won't support.

[whathehell]

12. Yes, I feel the same way.

It goes to character.

[hack89]

13. You should be ashamed of yourself

A good boss knows how to separate professional from personal. Your behavior is extremely unprofessional.

[Kaleva]

17. +1

[adigal]

181. Oh, please. These women voted for a pussy grabber. If they were so sensitive

they never would have voted for a sex offender.

[hack89]

235. So hostile work enviroments for women are not bad

if the boss feels strongly about it and the women believe the wrong things.

I assume that is a universal standard that all bosses can adopt? Can't imagine you would hold to double standards.

[adigal]

304. Nice straw man!!!!! nt

[hack89]

305. That is basically what you said

If women believe certain things it is ok to create a hostile work environment to punish them.

[Initech]

15. Stockholm syndrome.

The GOP has held this country hostage and bullied the opposition for so long that those who are under their spell have fallen for their captors.

[herding cats]

16. Lol @ whistling Chopin's funeral march!

Well played, sir!

[PCIntern]

21. Excuse me:

I have been taunted and lectured to by these Trumpistas for well over a year now and if any of you had been the recipient of an employee's vitriol in the manner in which I have, you'd have fired their behinds months ago. Or you wouldn't because most of you are a bunch of self-righteous keyboard warriors who pontificate about how others should behave and then go into your workplace or your social scene and do exactly the opposite of what you post here and you know it.

I can only imagine any of you withstanding what I had to listen to on the day after the election of this sonofabitch and just taking it with aplomb the way I had to. You'd have come up with all kinds of retaliatory nonsense: I on the other hand gave them merit raises where appropriate and very good bonuses as well as respect and personal undestanding of each of their individual needs and none of them would leave me for a job anywhere else: the average length of employment in my office approaches twenty years so don't bother telling me that you wouldn't want to work for me.

This reasoning is EXACTLY why liberals and Democrats lose every frigging time: you can't bear to dish it out - you're all so "fair and reasonable" but in fact you just knuckle under to the Fox and Friends hostility and repayt it with kindnesses and respect. Tell President Hillary Clinton how important it is to take the high road when they go low.

[Mediumsizedhand]

22. You behave inappropriately and people didn't pat you on the back for it. Then you cuss them out.

[ChubbyStar]

40. Cuss them out?

That was not posted by the OP.

[Eko]

26. Excuse me.

I am a store manager where we do 4 million a year in sales. I probably have 3 times the employees you have. If you have an employee doing that to you then you should have had a conversation with them a long time ago on inappropriate conduct at a workplace. It sounds entirely your own fault, and you don't get to turn your own management deficiency around and then conduct inappropriate conduct yourself and then use that as an excuse. You should take some harassment classes buddy.

[ChubbyStar]

42. Yes excuse you

Pretty bossy and rude when you are scolding somebody on harassment.

[Eko]

54. lol.

He is not my employee.

[Mediumsizedhand]

57. Employers have a responsibility. If this happened to a Dem, from a Repub

they would be up in arms. As a manager and owner, no way would I behave so imappropriately and to see others defend really is surprising to me.

[Eko]

60. Me neither.

Thanks!

[ChubbyStar]

66. PCIntern has been a loyal DUer for many years I enjoy reading his posts

[Mediumsizedhand]

78. Doesn't make him right. What would happen if friends gently told him, wrong.

Instead you set him up fro a law suit and the least, pay workmens comp.

[ChubbyStar]

83. I set him up fro (sic) nothing

Thanks for kicking his thread.

[cwydro]

285. It is surprising indeed. nt

[Mediumsizedhand]

286. I truly feel a bit like I am in bizzaro world, to be honest.

So every time someone sees it from the same angle as I do, I appreciate it more than I would generally. Just to know I am still sane, lol.

[cwydro]

291. I have worked in workplaces where people got away with nasty political comments.

Only two, thank goodness.

Most of my workplaces have been professional and respectful to all employees, as it should be.

[ChubbyStar]

58. Of course he isn't

Unless you own your business like he does you do not have employees.

[Eko]

67. Really?

So when I hire them they are not my employees? When I have to fire them they are not my employees? Who's are they? My district managers? My regional managers? The CEO of the company? The Boards? Give me a break.

[ChubbyStar]

70. Yes really

Unless you own the business they are not YOUR anything.

[Eko]

75. I am the store manager.

They are somebody's employees, if not mine then whose?

[ChubbyStar]

113. The company that employs you and them

Store manager is just one tick higher than they are. You must be an excellent manager!

[Eko]

122. One tick?

right,,,,,,,,,, 5 ticks would be correct. Well, the way I look at it, and granted you may think differently, but the person who hired me, and the person who can fire me on their own, is my boss, and I am their employee. Another way is the person that I schedule, discipline and am responsible for where no one else is responsible for is my employee. Im sure you are right though, lol.

[ChubbyStar]

129. Oh shit I didn't give you enough ticks?

Sorry

[Eko]

137. I deal with harrasment

as part of my profession every day, keeping an eye out for it, talking to customers that harass my employees, guiding conversations away from uncomfortable subjects, talking with my employees about it, taking classes about it, even dealing with actual charges of harassment at the workplace and dealing with it abiding by laws and company policies every blue moon. You? Nope. None. Ya right, so go away little mite.

[ChubbyStar]

139. Little mite? You must be a brilliant manager

[Eko]

141. Well enough

to recognize someone who doesn't want to have a conversation and just wants to troll.

[ChubbyStar]

144. Must be that mirror

[Eko]

150. Oh wow.

The teenage version of "no I'm not you are!!!!!!".
Awesome reply, I'm just floored with your intelligence and grasp of the subject.

[ChubbyStar]

164. Yes that must be it.....

But you keep responding....Hey manager...I made more money today than you will make in 6 months. Have a great night!

[Eko]

168. Doubling down.

Insulting someone for how much money they make,,, wow, I am not quite sure what kind of Dem you are but maybe you should go drink some wine. I believe you will be the very first person that I will put on ignore in my over 6 years on here, and it is well deserved buddy.

[ChubbyStar]

172. Please do

Your feelings are easily hurt for someone who has all the answers and is a manager.

[Jim Beard]

315. Do Democrats have to drink wine?

[Eko]

317. Nope.

[cwydro]

259. Lol!

Spot on.

[bluepen]

186. This reminds me of the Will Ferrell SNL sketch

where he keeps demanding respect by shouting, “I AM A DISTRICT MANAGER!”

[Coventina]

297. LOL! I'm glad I wasn't the only one!

[snooper2]

245. Kroger?

[Kirk Lover]

30. I think if it wasn't ok to do then you wouldn't of done it. I like how everybody

just judges and they really know NOTHING about your office and it's workings etc etc etc. Now I can see their point but I would trust more your judgement if these little jabs were ok or not.

I made sure to slightly torture my Trashbag loving coworker today....this is the day! He is getting worn down. He was barely bleating back today. I danced around the friggin office singing happy indictment day to all. Ya know just water cooler talk.

[Eko]

31. Key word

Co-worker, not employees.

[geardaddy]

287. So, in your world only managers can make a hostile work environment?

[Eko]

308. Nope,

But managers are responsible for it.

[Mediumsizedhand]

309. Managers are the responsible party. Tis their job and an hostile environment falls on owner or

management, for sure.

[Eko]

312. Yup.

Thanks sir!.

[Jim Beard]

36. As a former employer, you are right. If they speak out and continue to do so, If they were to be

with another employee for promotion, I would give it to the Democrat.

Been there, done that.

[gopiscrap]

43. exactly

[mreilly]

63. THANK YOU!

This is hands down the biggest problem I have with DU.

The fact these right-wing pieces of garbage gleefully dish it out - nonstop screaming and hatred and lies and endless, ENDLESS revisionism - but our side says "oh, no you can't dare possibly be mean to them in return (with the finger wagging and the tut-tut-tutting) since that would be mean and we have to show how much better we are than them and never fight back or lift a finger to defend ourselves or do ANYTHING that might piss them off or....."

FUCK THAT.

Ignore these naysayers, PCIntern. I'm with you. I have the flamethrower out too.

[nini]

114. I love this post

I too am sick and tired of listening to their shit then to have them get all butthurt when it comes back at them.

[mountain grammy]

125. Yes.. Bravo!

[octoberlib]

160. +1

[Duppers]

213. +100

[whathehell]

215. Excuse me, but if you are the boss,

you did not NEED to be "taunted and lectured" by your employees -- Why didn't you just nix the political talk to begin with?

[Mariana]

229. You get to set the standards of behavior.

It sounds like these people have been making for an uncomfortable work environment not just for you, but for your other employees as well. You may be willing to listen to Trumpsters give you a hard time while they're on the clock, but you should protect the rest of your staff from that crap. Lay down the law - No political talk on the premises, period, because it is creating a hostile work environment. Treat violations as you would habitual tardiness or any other disciplinary problem. That is a very reasonable rule and if they don't like it they can go work somewhere else - where they'll find that most other employers won't put up with that shit, either.

[spanone]

23. Love It!!!

bwahahahahahahaaa

[PCIntern]

32. Like I care what you think and

Yes. Gender does matter in an election where women voted for an abuser. You may think that self-righteous nonsense but it isn’t applicable in the real world.

And on edit: I’ll ignore the ad hominem attack and not report you because I’m a great guy.

[Jim Beard]

37. Some are just stuck in a rut.

[AngryAmish]

44. White women voted for Trump 59%

[mountain grammy]

135. It was more like 53% which is bad enough

don't make it worse..

I'll never understand it, and I'll never get over it.

[whathehell]

219. At least the majority of College educated white women voted Hillary

which is more than can be said for the majority of white college educated men.

[whathehell]

212. Nope..54 percent...A majority of white college educated women --

unlike White college educated men -- voted for Hillary.

[GulfCoast66]

49. Right back at you

Report away. My nightmare is having a leader who holds my politics against me professionally. And to be ‘reported on’ for objecting strongly is no big deal.

You have power over these ‘females’ and they are not free to respond to your taunting. That is not cool. And do you think this is going to make your workplace more productive? Or more importantly, make them even consider the superior message our party has?

And really, be careful. We members of the Democratic Party have managed to get at least some workplace harassment laws in place. If you are posting things on Facebook like your OP here you are pushing up against a very dangerous place.

Have a nice evening

[Hekate]

28. To all the naysayers, from me: Jebus, people, lighten up. You act like you never met PCIntern before

Based on my years of online interaction, I always thought he ran a perfectly clean office, with care for both employees and patients. I've been harrassed, and believe me, this (what he reported) is not harassment.

BTW, I myself was quite cheerful all day.

[PCIntern]

33. Thanks Hekate. nt

[Hekate]

47. You are most welcome. Some days this place just irks the hell out of me.

Days of good news have been few and far between. Today is a day of rejoicing. Rejoice!

[Eko]

53. Pa harrasment laws.

"The law defines harassment as unwelcome comments or actions that create a hostile or offensive working environment or that the victim must endure as a condition of employment. "

https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/research/pennsylvania/employment-law-in-pennsylvania.html

[Hekate]

65. Sounds like the few employees themselves created an "uncomfortable" atmosphere for everyone else

And PCIntern just let it roll off his back like a duck. But he's being hostile by asking employees who look like reality is finally, finally setting in, if they are okay?

Spare me.

[Eko]

71. As the boss

One of your jobs is to not let a hostile work environment exist. Letting something roll off your back is easier than having uncomfortable conversations about what is acceptable and not acceptable behavior at a workplace.

[Hekate]

73. Please

Spare me

[Eko]

79. Eh, whatever then.

I take a class four hours long each year for harassment in the workplace but I'm sure you know better. lol.

[Mediumsizedhand]

80. Reading down the thread, are you as amazed as I am with the complicity? We wonder how Republicans

can do it and who the hell is supporting their wrong. This is interesting and an education for me.

[Eko]

88. Yup,

This is harassment in the workplace, pure and simple. I feel sorry for the people defending this and I am sickened by it.

[Mediumsizedhand]

95. I am, too.

[Amimnoch]

206. Same.

We go through LCEC (Legal Compliance and Ethics Certification) courses every year. My own work place is extremely diverse, international, and ranges from the extremely conservative to the extremely liberal. Despite this we work in pretty great harmony. Neither this, nor similar actions from the conservatives would be tolerated.

[Mediumsizedhand]

72. I have not met him, but I do know when a boss taunted me day after election, it made me physically

sick. I was minding my own business, doing my work when I did not want to be in the office of 14 Republicans, with two hours sleep because I had a call from someone so upset it took most of the night.

Taunt me. Because it is funny.

Wrong.

One woman, the only other liberal, Latino, walked out of the office, crying, and called our immediate boss, and the whole world titled because this male owner would not shut the fuck up as he told me eventually I would be happy having Trump, following me down the hall, while I told him to leave me alone. Finally slammed the damn bathroom door in his face.. All my boss wanted from me was to get my work done.

Now, this poster is bragging taunting employees.

That is beyond wrong. I truly find it disgusting having experienced it with an owner, not my immediate boss so I felt pretty safe in telling the owner to get out of my face. Who knows about these women.

[Hekate]

163. Go back and read the OP. You are spewing nonsense based on your personal trigger.

I worked for the campus Lothario at a major university. Why he never put the moves on me I will never know, but it may have had something to do with me being practically frozen with anxiety over trying to support two small children alone. When I moved on after 4 years he promptly seduced my replacement and gave her an STD.

I got a promotion and ended up working for a screamer with a volcanic temper. I lasted 9 months, cracked 2 molars, all that. The next two replacements lasted only a month or two with that bastard.

I refuse to look at the whole world through that lens. I worked for some really decent people in my time.

I'm sorry for your lousy experiences, but that is not what the OP was describing. All I can recommend is you try to separate one experience from another.

[Mediumsizedhand]

165. I disagree with you. I think the OP makes his intent clear addressing the employees and what

his motive was. I called him on it. You do not agree. Fine. As an employer, I would not create that environment for employees to work in.

[druidity33]

233. As a shop Steward...

I have to say, not all workplace issues revolve around such obvious wrongs as you describe. Many times bosses can be more insidious... leaving comments vague, walking by whistling a tune that has overt implications, leaving things for an employee to find, changing work schedules to inconvenience an employee, etc. I have represented people who would certainly consider PCIntern's behavior inappropriate. If someone reported his "behavior" at my workplace, we would have a nice sit-down and talk it all out. I work in a kitchen so i see that PC was careful with language, but not saying something doesn't mean you didn't imply it... and well, when someone gets offended, they might report you to HR or their servicing rep... often while making the "offensive" action seem worse than it is. Most of the workplace disputes i deal with stem from general dislike or political disagreements.

[mountain grammy]

138. +1

For goodness sake, people. Lighten up!

[geardaddy]

319. +1

[democratisphere]

34. Keep on whistling!

A little torture never hurt anyone.

[Lisa0825]

38. My thoughts...

No one here is privy to the actual atmosphere at PC's office, except PCIntern. How could anyone know whether or not it is a place where good-natured ribbing is a usual thing, except that this time, the Trump votes are unusually testy?

Myself, I prefer to keep politics out of the workplace (along with religion), but not all workplaces are the same. I think it is very plausible that this was just a matter of someone being able to dish it out ever since the election, and being testy because now they have to take it.

Also, regarding the question about why he mentioned that they are women - I think it is even more mystifying that any woman voted for Trump, so I think that is also likely a pretty innocent comment.

[Jim Beard]

45. There has been a large portion of women who voted against themselves in my town

so ribbing is called for.

[Kaleva]

50. PCIntern says he's been taunted and lectured by the three for close to a year now

His words:

"I have been taunted and lectured to by these Trumpistas for well over a year now and if any of you had been the recipient of an employee's vitriol in the manner in which I have, you'd have fired their behinds months ago."

This isn't good natured ribbing. It's a hostile work environment.

[Lisa0825]

62. So maybe the usual atmosphere had been good-natured ribbing, but

the past year, the Trumpistas have been going overboard. Rather than fire them, since they are otherwise good employees, he has tolerated it and now is giving some back. That doesn't seem (to me) to rise to the level of a "hostile work env."

This is just a message board. Some things may also be overstated.

[Mediumsizedhand]

87. No. What do you do as an employer? Sit there ass down and tell them no politics,

that you expect to have a comfortable work place for all. This was a horrible OP. But you do not allow employees to make it uncomfortable for the rest, nor as an employer do you play the game back at them. How totally unprofessional.

[Eko]

102. Bam!

Exactly!.

[Lisa0825]

103. So easy to judge when you are NOT an actual witness to the environment.

Poutrage on the internet is so rampant.

[Mediumsizedhand]

111. He bragged about making the environment uncomfortable for his employees.

He bragged and started an OP to brag.

[Lisa0825]

115. It was give-and-take.

And unless you are new to the internet, you should know people usually embellish for dramatic or comic effect.

Again, poutrage.

[Mediumsizedhand]

123. This was harassment in a work environment. If embellished, then we were all played.

I am done. This was wrong for any employer to treat employees in this manner and then brag about it. Out on the street, in the grocery store. Family. Whatever, that is fine. But we Dems fight for better, in our work environment because we are dependent on that place, for survival. I take it seriously. I am so surprised so many defend this behavior.

But, I am done.

[Lisa0825]

132. A friend of mine was actually forced out of her job due to political differences.

It started out as friendly banter, until Obama won, and the boss got pissed. He directly changed the way he treated her as an employee due to her politics - not just banter.

So I DO understand that this is a touchy subject, and I do not recommend discussing politics at work.

That all being said, I still do not feel that this particular situation rose to the level or harassment or a hostile workplace.

[Kaleva]

119. I didn't talk politics or religion or discuss hot button issues at work or with my family.

I preferred to remain a blank slate. With my family, I didn't want to be part of any rifts or hard feelings and at work, the task at hand was the priority and I didn't want any potential animosity to interfere with that.

If I was PCIntern, none of my employees would know who I supported, my voting history or what party I belonged to. They wouldn't know where I stood on most any issue other then those issues which have an impact on the work place such as sexual harassment, equal pay for equal work, respect for gender and sexual orientation and such.

[whathehell]

223. Um, he's the boss..

He didn't have to allow it in the first place.

[Kaleva]

241. That's right. He should have put a stop to it right off the bat.

[whathehell]

255. Correct..

It's hard to paint yourself as a victim when it's you who are in charge.

[Jim Beard]

39. Whats the attitude on football games? No one is a team fan?

[Texasgal]

310. Now THERE we have an issue!!!

Don't fuck with my college football team of choice! I WILL cut you!

[Jim Beard]

316. Surely you aren't an Aggie? You in the Big 12?

[AJT]

46. Unless you specifically brought up 45 and made them feel humiliated or that

their jobs were threatened then I can't imagine it being harassment. Feeling good isn't a crime.

[Lisa0825]

64. Exactly. nt

[ornotna]

48. Did you grab them by the.......?

No? Good, hope you had a great day.

[whathehell]

220. Yes, because that's all that counts as workplace "harassement" right?

[ornotna]

242. Obviously no

But you knew that. I hardly call stating how good you feel and whistling a tune workplace harassment. see, I can do that too.

[whathehell]

253. Um, no

It's not obvious at all when it's automatically conflated with sex assault as you and some others here have done.

It's simple, really: If one doesn't think the OP's behavior constitutes harassment, one simply states that rather than falsely equating it to sexual harassment.. It's called "communication".

[ornotna]

299. You're funny

My comment equates his actions with sexual harassment?
Seriously, you're reading way too much into this whole incident. Get a grip.

[NCTraveler]

51. Glad you had a good day.

We’ve had enough rough ones.

[sarisataka]

52. I don't talk politics

At work. If others try talking to me I politely excuse myself and leave the conversation.

YMMV

[Lisa0825]

69. Same here...

except with some actual friends (not just workplace acquaintances) who I know are like-minded. And when we DO talk, it is privately.

[uppityperson]

98. Attend charm classes, it's a good hobby

[greatauntoftriplets]

110. + 1,000,000.

[mreilly]

81. I literally can't believe what I am reading here.

Good guy PCIntern is being assailed by some of you people for criticizing mindless Trump fans.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you critics??

[gopiscrap]

84. agreed

[Mediumsizedhand]

104. I equally cannot believe a single Dem would encourage an hostile work environment for employees.

Seems to counter the very basics of what we fight for.

[mreilly]

116. WTF are you talking about?

He reported on some pissy Trump fans, talked to some fellow Dems and whistled a fucking song, and now he's out there making for a hostile work environment?

[Kaleva]

131. It's just good natured give and take. Chill.

[GulfCoast66]

86. PCIntern, I apologize

And am about to delete my harsh post. Not worried about be alerted on, but worried about how social media makes it so easy for us to fight amongst ourselves while the world burns. Still think you were wrong, but we are in the same team. Have a nice evening.

[PCIntern]

89. No offense taken

I enjoy the repartee

[GulfCoast66]

121. As do I!

But I have to remind myself when online that I am speaking to strangers. When BSing with my buddies I would not hesitate to tell them they are a shitty boss. And we would all laugh.

But the insidious thing about online is we lose all the comradeship and multiply the vitriol. Which is why I do not Facebook!

Still think you handled it incorrectly but will keep my criticism friendly.

And BTW, I do love seeing the trumpers rolling in their evil irony!

[greatauntoftriplets]

99. Someone I went to grade school with just posted this from Trey Gowdy's Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/362804017185166/photos/rpp.362804017185166/1153303338135226/?type=3&theater

This is their mentality. Have a bucket at hand.

[HubertHeaver]

158. Thanks for the warning

I did not heed it. I have a mess, of my own making, to clean.

[snort]

159. That is hurl worthy.

Well, their book does mention being fooled. Fools.

[Blue Owl]

117. I'm thinking like a jazzy, upbeat scat version of Chopin's funeral march

Do, do-do-do, dee do do do do-do-do...

[spanone]

120. that's not an aside, that's an affront

[gristy]

126. Thanks! I learned a new phrase today!

"sotto voce"

And yes, I was smiling too, on my walk home.

[oxbow]

128. Whistling and asking someone if they're ok is not harassment

I can appreciate that others have had negative experiences around politics in the workplace but the worst thing you can accuse the op of being is passive aggressive. Given that it sounds like his employees have been rubbing the election in his face all year, it sounds like even that is minor for this particular workplace culture.

I would advise against trying to make others accountable to your own oversensitivity. Progressives need to strengthen up and stop sweating the small stuff in general, if they want to make any progress on the big issues threatening all of us.

[mreilly]

130. I support PCIntern 100% and we all need to stick together

... PCIntern did nothing wrong and while you might argue over the tactics involved I see nothing wrong with any of this.

NOTHING.

Oh, someone's going to say that whistling is a bad thing or something or whatnot and hostile work environment?

PLEASE. Grow older than 14, we'd appreciate it.

I'm going to say it straight up here.

If you're going to fight among yourselves instead of fighting Republicans, you're going to keep losing elections.

WE'RE going to keep losing elections.

Knock this shit off and figure out how to work together, and quit complaining some butthurt Trump supporters might feel life is unfair!

[Mediumsizedhand]

136. Republicans do that. We all need to stick together whether counter to our core beliefs. Like a safe

working environment.

I will not be a part of that.

[mreilly]

143. Are you out of your mind?

What did he do?

Did he grope?

Did he grab?

Did he harass?

You talk about sticking together - how the hell are you sticking together with us because you think this guy might have made some Trump supporters uncomfortable by... whistling?

Something they would have had to use intellect to piece together?

Context to assign to Trump?

Some actual realization that "OMG he's insulting us!"

By definition Trump supporters are fucking stupid. And there is no way in hell they could have pieced that song along with an attack on the orange shitgibbon.

Jesus Christ Almighty, on a day we should be coming together and celebrating you people manage to turn PC into a walking fucking joke.

[Mediumsizedhand]

146. I would not treat my employees this way. I feel a greater responsibility to them. That simple.

[mreilly]

148. Ok fair enough but...

You said:

"We all need to stick together whether counter to our core beliefs."

He went counter to your core beliefs. You're not supporting him.

[aikoaiko]

134. I'm surprised you still employ them.

If I recall, you're particularly harsh toward your RW patients.

[octoberlib]

155. Good for you!

[mreilly]

156. I am ashamed of every single one of you who breathlessly stepped up to condemn this man.

I'm just shaking my head figuring out why Trump supporters call us "snowflakes."

Because you will go off tilting at windmills trying desperately to prove how "tolerant" and "fair" you are. Even if it means vilifying one of our own.

PCIntern posted nothing incendiary. Nothing inflammatory. Nothing inappropriate.

He said he asked some Trump supporters at work if they were OK.

Spoke to some fellow Democrats about how they felt.

Whistled a tune.

And some of you crucified him for promoting a "hostile work environment!"

Are you serious??!

Today... the first day since Obama defeated Romney in 2012 that I've felt we have a hope in this country, this man shares his views with some of you?

And what do some of you prissy finger-wagging holier-than-thou types do?

You try to castigate and crucify him.

Not the Pussy Grabber in Chief.

Not his buddies who just got indicted.

Not the campaign staffer who just admitted Russian collusion happened.

This guy. Our guy. Our friend and confidante. Oh, he whistled something, big fucking deal!

I'm willing to go all the way and get kicked off DU if that's what it comes down to.

You critics of PCIntern are WRONG and you owe him an APOLOGY. And we should all be fighting in the same direction - towards Trump and the Republicans, rather than acting like snowflakes just the way these right-wing assholes assume us to be.

Jesus, God Almighty, people!

[whathehell]

221. Oh please.."condemmed"? "crucified"??

Exaggerate much?

I think the appropriate word is simply "criticized".

[FSogol]

252. +1. Many are just playing a game of "I'm more liberal than you."

[Kaleva]

260. It's more of a question of maturity and practicing sound workplace ethos

OP says, in a later post in this thread, he's been the target of his employee's vitriol for a year now. And look how he talks about his employees in the very first sentence of the OP.

How liberal one is has nothing to do with the situation.

[FSogol]

266. He can talk about his employees anonymously. That doesn't affect them at all.

That is not harassment.

[Kaleva]

269. Sure it affects them.

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Note how they interact at the workplace. OP talks to the others in a hushed voice. His relationship with the three is in his own words, caustic and OP in return has no respect for them as shown clearly by how he talks about them in private.

I wish I could say more but it may be construed ad an attack on a fellow member but I think he could benefit from management leadership training.

[Hekate]

321. And a couple of them...

Are playing a game of pot-stirring trolls for Halloween. smdh

[FSogol]

322. One of them is no longer with us. n/t

[Hekate]

326. Color me grateful. If at all possible, can you PM me their name...

...so I can gloat in an unseemly fashion?

[Lisa0825]

262. I'm with ya, mreilly! nt

[stonecutter357]

182. If you voted for a RACIST pig you are a Racist Pig .

[C Moon]

188. I love this! I can see being shocked, but it seems they knew in their hearts that he was guilty...

but they just didn't want him to get caught.
What is wrong with people?

[Motownman78]

199. I agree with a lot of people

Religion, Sex, and Politics, leave that shit at the front door of the office. If the 3 women were celebrating after the election, I would have called them in to talk with them.

[Mediumsizedhand]

201. Sex was the other one. I was thinking earlier today, and had religion and politics.

But, I could not remember the other. Sex. I agree with you.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

200. Key Board Warriors , my oh my !

I always like the long view far better than the shortsighted easy end. The Trumpkins were saddened today ,indeed . Many more of them are becoming down right scared ,not because of the indictments ,but because everything they have seen thus far of Trump is not what they bargained for.

Some pretty weird shit even for some of the worst of them.
Worse yet, they really don't quite know where to go with it.

PC Intern's people do have a place to go with it, and that place is a friendly work environment.
The shit will continue to run deep and than deeper .
And the deeper it gets the more scary it gets .

It is not so easy for those who come into the know about everything they believed not being true.
Worse yet would have to be having no place to go with it.

Key board warriors .

[roamer65]

217. Just be careful, specifically if you have an HR department.

They can go and complain about harassment, especially if you are their manager.

So put thought into what you say and do, first.

[miyazaki]

218. Meh. I would have fired them a long time ago.

Ask me if i care.

-Actually, don't.

[RhodeIslandOne]

222. Just be careful

Trumpsters are vindictive pieces of shit who could sue you. They wouldn't deserve a dime though. Fuck them.

[Mariana]

226. Sue for what?

Asking them if they're all right because they're acting like they're down? Letting it be known he's in a particularly good mood? Especially if he never said why he's in such a good mood. There's nothing there.

[RhodeIslandOne]

248. As if nobody has taken a molehill and made a mountain?

I'm sure they know what they were doing and know what he's doing too.

[Raine]

225. Politics from any side don't belong in the workplace

don't know who started this in the first place but it should've been put to an end by someone in authority long ago.

[demmiblue]

232. I agree. n/t

[Doodley]

228. I think you should let events take their course. A time will come when most people who voted Trump

will be ashamed to admit it. Let your employees arrive at that place without any form of harassment.

[JustAnotherGen]

230. America is a hostile environment

All we can do is smile and be happy to the voters who declared it AOK to be hostile.

Smile, be happy, having a great day in the face of their tacit approval of the It in the WH -

That to them is hostile.

[lindysalsagal]

231. Now that you mention it, some of the trumpets at work were unusually manic....

at the time I knew to keep quiet and just move on, but they were covering for their embarassment...

[Pacifist Patriot]

234. Props to you for...

whistling Chopin's funeral match (and knowing it's a Chopin piece!)

[Vinca]

237. You can always reassure them it's really not so bad. All his friends will be in prison, too.

[MrModerate]

244. Very unprofessional behavior. HR should whack your hand, at the very least. n/t

[Nitram]

247. Yes, news like this puts a spring in every liberal's step.

[Kaleva]

250. A boss who contempously speaks of employees in a forum doesn't deserve praise

And it doesn't matter what their political leanings are.

Wrong is wrong.

[cwydro]

263. Yeah. I agree.

What you said.

[PCIntern]

280. Hey. How about all the employees here

Who speak contemptuously of their bosses? I don’t hear your sanctimony on those occasions.

[Kaleva]

281. It's the boss that sets the tone

but if you could direct me to a recent thread where a member belittles a supervisor, I'll read it and make my opinion known and I thank you in advance for directing me to it.

PCIntern, don't take what I've said too personally as I don't know you at all. I find the topic, workplace ethos, to be very interesting but it's an abstract one and not specifically targeted towards you as I don't know the real you or what the real situation is at your workplace. You just laid out the framework for it.

I'm probably coming across as a jerk and I apologise to you as a living person, for that.

[Soxfan58]

251. Rub it in my friend

Enjoy!

[Qutzupalotl]

271. Now, now. Dont play with your food.

[joshcryer]

282. HAHA

[JohnnyRingo]

273. It's a shame Trump is so divisive.

The workplace shouldn't have to be such a battlefield in the political war.

It wasn't this bad, even when we had a black man in office. Trump has purposely laid the groundwork for an "us vs them" society and it's painful to watch. Having said that, it's satisfying to finally get a victory.

[Mediumsizedhand]

276. This.

[Chakaconcarne]

284. I get the desire, but probably not the best thing to do....

why risk escalation, especially if you have to live there 8 hours per day?

[fleur-de-lisa]

292. Wow! This thread went WAY OFF THE RAILS!

I haven't seen this much bickering on DU over a relatively tame subject in quite a while.

[lunatica]

294. Newbies trying to dictate anything to an oldie but truly goodie dentist who

not only works very hard in low income clinics but also volunteers his services gets some oldies a bit miffed. but some people can't help wagging their fingers at every chance.

[japple]

293. I retired recently from a hospital that has a religious affiliation. During the Obama years,

everyone ragged me something awful for being the only liberal in the surgery dept. It was esp. bad during the 2009 election. I would love to have been there today to celebrate their misery. I haven't kept up with many of the folks I worked with for 10 years because we were never friends, but on Monday I was tempted to send a "nonny nonny boo boo" to those some of those people.

[ailsagirl]

295. ....

Changed my mind

[Blue_Tires]

296. Pink slip the three Swamp Cloggers

[Rustyeye77]

298. Wow...you opened a can of whoop-ass.

never expected that ,did you ?

[Hekate]

324. What's appalling ...

...Is the amount of sheer pot-stirring by people who don't know what the hell they are talking about, and are only too happy to jump on a long-time, respected member of this community who has built up a lot of cred as a responsible and thoughtful human being.

This "stone the witch" behavior does absolutely nothing for "Democratic core values" or unity or indeed the reputation of DU.

Disgusting.

[Rustyeye77]

327. Ive noticed that theres no long term credit here at DU.

ONE MINUTE they love you.
next minute you're a pos dino.

[Hekate]

331. Some of us have long memories for longtime associations here...

We've been through some bad, bad times, and I for one remember who my comrades and allies are.

Strangely (or not) the people most inclined to shit-stirring against respected members of this community are those who have not been here all that long (allegedly -- some seem to know a lot of history after just a month or two).

Two of them from this thread have just had a pizza delivery. My heart bleeds for them.

[PatrickforO]

302. You know, I'd like to take this opportunity to respectfully remind everyone,

because I have worked in a toxic environment before, how very harmful it is when a supervisor wears his/her opinions out in the open and forces them on subordinates.

It hurts, and it could just as easily be the other way around, with the boss being a knuckle-dragging MAGA Trump-turd. Imagine, if you will, your boss walking around and talking about fake news, the deep state and the 'lying' Dems. How would you feel?

I know Trump and his minions are traitors, and it is often difficult to find the right stream of invective to describe them, because they are so bad. But we don't do this at work.

[tirebiter]

306. They should book a flight on Delta

And make new friends

[Texasgal]

307. I am a surgical nurse

and work in a huge complex with other health care employees.

We are not allowed to discuss politics and that's a good thing. I actually prefer it. I could not imagine being mocked for my political views. It's work. I have plenty of other outlets to vent my displeasure.

[steve2470]

325. totally agree! nt

[steve2470]

323. I just think politics should be totally kept out of the workplace....

unless you're at the DNC or some other very political place. I just think politics is asking for problems.

Just my $0.02.