The one question that no one has been asking but hope is not too far away

[grantcart]

"What did Pence know and when did he know it".


Trump is going to get himself indicted and convicted. They will ask him a question and he will talk himself onto the grassy knoll in '63 before lunch.

The greatest difference between Nixon and Trump is, if you listen to the Nixon tapes, is that Nixon had a great capacity for retaining lots of detail so that he could not only remember what happened but each of the hypothetical scenarios that had been suggested and discarded. Just think of the idiotic statements he made to Lester Holt where he admits that firing Comey was related to the Russian probe and by definition obstruction of justice.

Pence is a weasel and liar. People forget that he has been in it since August, was involved in key meetings, held the Russians hands and has been lying to distract the prosecutor. The talking heads seem to forget to ask just exactly what did Pence know and when did he know it?

[rainin]

1. I thought it's been asked and answered

that you can't indict a sitting President. If the Republicans are dirty too, they won't impeach him. I don't understand the confidence. Trump is no ordinary citizen. We would rot in jail for 1/1000th what he gets away with.

[grantcart]

2. I agree that you can't indict a sitting President although many legal scholars don't agree and the

issue is clearly not settled.

However after Trump is not a sitting President, and even if he has been pardoned he will be vulnerable to state prosecution on issues that have already been raised.

The confidence comes that Trump was elected as a minority elected chief executive, which is entirely possible in a Republic and has done everything wrong since then. If you look at minority elected governments you will see reconciliation, governments of national unity and so on.

On top of that Trump is, without question, the worst witness I have ever seen. His statement to Holt establishes that his motivation for firing the head of the FBI was to stop the investigation into Russian interference, something that Papadopoulos admitted today that the campaign sought.

Trump is one flip away from a catastrophic event. If for example Flynn flips and puts the President on the inside of the negotiations to get Russian assistance for a clear quid pro quo it will trigger a massive constitutional crises.

The one huge advantage, or trump card if you will, is Trump. He is like the guy who had a good day at Softball and thinks he can play on the Yankees. Trump's legal record is not good but he has been playing at a very low level. He is playing against folks who have 100% conviction rates and have been doing it for a long time at a very sophisticated level.

If you want to see just how bad he is as a witness look at the deposition on Trump University case. His own statements are so bad, from a legal point of view, that they had no choice but to pay the claim in full. (Ironically his statements on the commercial "I have personally picked all of the instructors for the University", mirrored exactly what he said about Papadopoulos, "Carter Page, PhD; George Papadopoulos, he’s an energy and oil consultant, excellent guy",

Page is not a PhD, Papadopoulos is not an energy/oil consultant but did attend a Model UN, lol.

I still think that he will have some catastrophic medical event that will take him out but I do not thing that Trump will be the President in January 2019 when a new Congress takes office.

[doc03]

3. What about McTurtle and Ryan? I think they all knew. nt

[lagomorph777]

4. They are certainly acting guilty; running the Congressional part of the coverup.

They are likely to get theirs in 2018.

[doc03]

5. Remember Obama went to McTurtle when the Russian connection was first

discovered and McTurtle threatened to say Obama was interfering in the election.

[lagomorph777]

6. You're interfering with our interference, dammit!