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stopbush

(24,396 posts)
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:53 PM Oct 2017

If Rs Were Smart, They Would Be Fleeing tRump, but they cant, because they are complicit

Parallel to the Mueller investigation are the many stories emerging about just how deep and widespread was the Russian interference with the 2016 election. I believe we will eventually learn that votes WERE changed by voting machines etc that eked out a narrow win for tRump.

But I also believe that McConnell, Ryan and others in the top R leadership benefiited from Russian involvement in the election and that they knew in advance of the efforts to help down-ticket races. They made a deal with the devil, and they are now stuck with that deal, fated to ride it out until it destroys them along with tRump.

Which is why they will cover for tRump for as long as they can, because they are in fact covering for themselves.

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If Rs Were Smart, They Would Be Fleeing tRump, but they cant, because they are complicit (Original Post) stopbush Oct 2017 OP
It's a clear KGB operation -- they set out the honey through a Superpac, and half the GOP bit. byronius Oct 2017 #1
Lots of recordings have been made Eyeball_Kid Oct 2017 #4
I don't see a path rainin Oct 2017 #2
If they were smart, they wouldn't have been complicit in the first place Generic Brad Oct 2017 #3
They can't because the bulk of their electorate is solidly behind Trump. Garrett78 Oct 2017 #5
Always remember that Rs stopbush Oct 2017 #6
But they are solidly behind Trump and they vote. Garrett78 Oct 2017 #7

byronius

(7,395 posts)
1. It's a clear KGB operation -- they set out the honey through a Superpac, and half the GOP bit.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:56 PM
Oct 2017

Even if they didn't know the source of the funds they don't want it known by anyone now.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
4. Lots of recordings have been made
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:14 PM
Oct 2017

by intelligence services of GOP leadership accepting campaign (laundered) money from Russia. This will come out. The “conspiracy” is indeed deep and wide. Russia nearly got away with a bloodless coup. Yet the end of the story is still to be told.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
2. I don't see a path
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:05 PM
Oct 2017

where there is justice without impeachment. At the end of the day, don't we need R's to impeach before any of these convictions stick? As long as he is President, convictions can just be pardened and he will be untouchable. I just don't see it.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
3. If they were smart, they wouldn't have been complicit in the first place
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:11 PM
Oct 2017

They cheated and bullied their way in. And now the truth is finally coming out.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
5. They can't because the bulk of their electorate is solidly behind Trump.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:17 PM
Oct 2017

Trump has a cult following, otherwise known as the Republican Party base. As Obama said sometime last year, "They've been feeding their base all kinds of crazy for years." And Trump is the result.

Trump's approval rating, as I recall, was in the 30s when he was campaigning. It's in the 30s now. For a while it was in the 40s, because a new POTUS experiences a honeymoon period. But, for the most part, he's always been in the mid-30s (when you average out the various polls, account for the margin of error and ignore the honeymoon phase). I'm not convinced his approval rating will drop into the 20s, but time will tell.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
6. Always remember that Rs
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 12:53 AM
Oct 2017

make up only 25% of the electorate. So when you hear that 80% of Rs support tRump, it means that they represent only 20% of the population.

Makes tRump’s support seem insignificant, does it not?

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
7. But they are solidly behind Trump and they vote.
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 01:02 AM
Oct 2017

The point being that Republicans in Congress must be careful about alienating Trump's following, as that following constitutes the bulk of their constituency. They can't win/get re-elected if most of Trump's base abandons them.

Also, there are many self-proclaimed "independents" who are solidly behind Trump. As we know from numerous studies, the vast majority of so-called "independents" are extremely partisan, but they like referring to themselves as "independent."

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