I'll just leave this right here....

[nini]

Link to tweet

[FSogol]

1. K&R. N/t

[Wounded Bear]

2. K & R...nt

[Nitram]

3. Yes. That's it.

[mazzarro]

4. 100% in agreement

But Democratic Party Leadership needs to quit trying to shift to the right in fruitless bid to win over some right-wingers - IMO.

[murielm99]

16. Yes, but?

You call that 100% agreement?

[brer cat]

22. I think he is 100% in agreement

that we do it his way.

[DoctorPepper]

5. "You're either with us or you're against us."

This kind of tribalistic, condescending, oversimplistic talk is what is driving the Democratic Party apart more than anything. So, I guess Peter Daou is trying to destroy the party. I'm sure he'll own up to it and the consequences when/if it happens.

[nini]

6. Oh please

[DoctorPepper]

9. Seriously though.

Who really believes that the Republican Party can continue indefinitely to keep control when more than 50% of the country is against them? This is fear-mongering, nothing more. Either the Democratic Party will finally get moving in the right direction (which is left) or it will finally collapse and be replaced with something else. There is no third option where the Republican Party magically becomes the only major political party in the country. Those who have positions of influence and/or power within the Democratic Party naturally want to hold onto it. The fact that they feel the need to do so via tweets such as this is pretty telling. As I've said before, it has the unmistakeable look of desperation. From what I see on my FB feed (and all Trumpers were blocked long ago) it is absolutely not working.

[thucythucy]

17. "Who really believes the Republican Party can continue

indefinitely to keep control when more than 50% of the country is against them [sic]?" -- DoctorPepper, 2017

"Everybody against the war. People talking openly. How can a country go into a major war with a population so dead against it?"
--William Shirer, Berlin Diary, August 31, 1939.

Seriously though...

[DoctorPepper]

37. Like I said, fear-mongering. nt

[emulatorloo]

38. Like I said, you love strawmen.

[thucythucy]

45. I'm worried about both the long term

and short term damage done by this presidency.

In the long term, stacking the courts, including the USSC, with right wing hacks will insure that voter suppression, jerrymandering, and dirty money will continue to give Republicans a hugely disproportionate role in government at all levels. The fact that Democrats are facing opposition not only from the American right, but also from the Russian oligarchy, is to me of tremendous concern. Link that with corporate control of the major media, the continued dominance of right wing hate radio, the massive taxpayer giveaways to the religious right for "faith based" initiatives (which were curtailed under President Obama, but are now once more in full swing)... all this means that it's an uphill fight, even if the majority of the country supports Democratic policies (whether they know it or not).

In the short term, we have a narcissist sociopathic sexual predator in charge of the nuclear codes. An EPA run by a climate change denier. A Dept. of Education headed by someone who doesn't believe in public schools. And a state department run by a fossil fuel proponent with deep--and hitherto secret--ties to a foreign power.

"Fear-mongering"? Or a realistic assessment of the dangers we face. I say the latter.

Your faith in the air tight security of our democratic system is touching. I'd argue it's all quite naïve.

[emulatorloo]

47. "You are fearmongering about rattlesnakes! I will not live in fear I will embrace rattlesnakes!"

Republicans do use fearmongering: gays, minorities, immigrants. Anybody that ain't white or straight. Those people aren't our "enemies" and Republicans are full of shit.

However Trump and Republicans are genuine threats to our values and the well being of our country. I am very suspicious of people who draw false equivalencies between the BS fearmongering that Republicans do with Democrats who point out the dangerousness of Republican rule.

[thucythucy]

48. Exactly right.

Thank you.

[nini]

23. Most of the problem is the media control

Even 'democrats' are buying the Democrats are evil stuff as we can see all over here, Twitter, facebook etc.. We are helping them by spewing the lies and garbage therefore damaging our own party. I'm about as far left as you can get but I am also realistic as to what we are up against. Sucks but it is reality.

This was a well thought out long term plan since the religious right got power back in the Reagan days. We're not going to turn it around in one election cycle because people are downright brainwashed these days. I'm too old now think it's going to change for the better before I kick the bucket, but I will continue to fight for my grandson. I'll go down for those who come after me.

[Demsrule86]

44. Totally wrong ...last night a moderate won in Virginia... I have no idea if Perriello would have won

but for sure the margins would have been smaller...in a centrist slightly left country...running left will result in electoral losses. Also we are competing in red and purple states in 18...and also 20...so it would be a huge mistake to insist on a one size fits all candidate in any state...the big tent Democratic Party wins majorities both statewide and nationally...no 'wing' wins alone and last night proved that.

[grossproffit]

11. +1

[KPN]

19. Yup.

[emulatorloo]

28. Nope. Nobody said what you and Dr. Pepper claim was said. You created a strawman

as I pointed out below.

[emulatorloo]

27. As usual you are misrepresenting what was said and creating a strawman

When you say "oversimplistic" you are describing yourself.

[Amimnoch]

32. ROFL, I was just typing out the same thing! nt.

[Amimnoch]

31. Strawman alert!

"The Democratic Party is the ONLY institution that can prevent total rightwing control. If you're trying to destroy it, YOU own the outcome" Is not even close to being equal to "You're either with us or you're against us."

If you're trying to destroy us.. the actual quotation, is not saying what you claim. At all. I would say if you're trying to destroy us you are against us is the more accurate paraphrase, and pretty fucking apt. Is it not?

Oh, and welcome to DU.

[YOHABLO]

7. I think we need to supporting dem candidates and get our strategy in line.

The Oligarchs have all but taken over.

[IronLionZion]

8. How many DUers have taken responsibility for Trump or other big election losses?

I remember people cheering as many red state moderates lost to tea party extremists. Trump has already stacked the federal courts with so many young RW judges with lifetime appointments we may never recover.

[Tikki]

10. How many Dem posters are still in HISTORY mode and NOT sharing about great Democrats of our future?

It's kind of like some are afraid to move forward and beyond.

Tikki

[nini]

12. We need to do both

I've got a couple young favorites I'd like to see rise to the upper levels of our party and be the next nominee. But I also am not ready to throw out those who fought and got us healthcare, workers rights, environment safeguards etc..

These are transitions - not throw everything away and start over times.

[Tikki]

25. I agree..Lets talk about what we know about current Democratic leaders from...

all over our Nation.

Hillary appears to not be running for office again and Bernie appears to be
interested in running as an Ind.

I want to know DUer’s personal and political experiences with some of their
local or regional Dems, those whom may be interested in running for higher office.

I’ll start: Senator D-Kamala Harris..She..as States Attorney General CA..fought successfully
for my family to get money back from a financial institution that misrepresented a loan to us.

I know she is a fighter...I am paying attention and learning more about her as a Senator.

Tikki

[nini]

29. I love Kamala Harris and she's at the top of my list

I also like

Julian Castro
Joseph Kennedy III - He reminds me of his grandfather Bobby. Bobby Kennedy's campaign was the first one I ever worked at age 11.

Those are only a few. We have a lot of good people out there. The strongest ones will rise.. and they already are.

[smirkymonkey]

13. K&R

Without the democrats, this country becomes a third-world dictatorship.

[lark]

14. Thank you.

So tired of ethically challenged people trying to take down their "purported" party for profit! Sorry, Donna, you are now against us and I'm against you and will not buy or read your crappy book.

[Magoo48]

15. If,

Democrats have a transparent, progressive, heartfelt, honest connection with the working class and the poor while endorsing the deconstruction of the ruling oligarchy and burgeoning police state, then they will flourish.....if not, then, what good are they. Without powerful, young, leadership, the party will destroy itself...

[nini]

24. That's part of it

There's also fighting the media control, gerrymandering, voter fraud etc etc etc..

No one is stopping a young fresh face from stepping up. Obama did it and someone strong enough can too. I have a few favorites who I believe will step into the role but we will see and be the next nominee and I will work their campaign like I always have for our nominees - even if they weren't my first choice.

But, dismiss the older experienced people we have at your own peril. This is not a clear one way or another world we live in anymore.

[Madam45for2923]

18. Yep! The Democratic Party is the ONLY institution that can prevent total rightwing control. If you'r

The Democratic Party is the ONLY institution that can prevent total rightwing control. If you're trying to destroy it, YOU own the outcome.

and you don't care.

[KPN]

20. So now seeking fairness, transparecy,

a stronger commitment to the working class is trying to destroy the Democratic Party.

To the contrary. Posts like this are what will do that. .... Get your frigging hands of my values!

[questionseverything]

21. the democratic party is the only chance for the 99% to gain a shot at equality

I have no problem with db or hc telling their stories from their perspectives

db's perspective has already led to the current chair promising a more open process and most importantly a better debating schedule

we must never again give the repubs a 2 month headstart on the debates...this was a HUGE mistake

the average person doesn't follow politics like most of us do so when they see pols debating week after week on tv they figure...well this is who is running....remember trump pretended to be a populist so he picked up a lot of support from low info voters before they ever had the chance to hear the democratic point of view

[Demsrule86]

43. I don't really agree...I think few watch the debates until you get close to the election.

[emulatorloo]

26. Strawman. OP did not say that nor did any of the replies

Everyone here wants to improve the Democratic Party and strengthen its message for working class.

[Amimnoch]

33. Exactly. Total strawman. nt.

[Demsrule86]

42. I have no desire to remake the Democratic Party based on one election...I say...

you run candidate that are appropriate for the states for statewide and then use grassroots for the legislature and/or house seats. If you constantly criticize the party (not saying you do), you drive voters away.

[Amimnoch]

35. So, "seeking fairness, transparency, and commitment to the working class"

Is "trying to destroy the Democratic Party"?? Because that is what the tweet says. Not what you are saying.

[Demsrule86]

41. If your words or actions hurt the Democratic Party which is the only way to achieve such things...

than yes you are. You can work with the party and against the GOP...be part of the solution or get out of the way.

[Amimnoch]

46. no argument here.

Was kind of my point to KPN's post.

[debsy]

30. No ifs, ands, or buts...

The Russians (and their treasonous comrades who are currently occupying the White House and senior positions in the entire administration and most of the Republican side of the aisle in congress where the silence and complicity toward the overthrow of our government is deafening) are trolling and committing cyber warfare on us as we speak. We were all fooled before the election and look where we are now. There is plenty of blame to go around for how Russia stolen election (and how we can't prove it because states were allowed to implement electronic voting machines with no paper trail - brilliant idea). If we lose sight of how to avoid being fooled again by allowing them to divide us (so they can conquer), we will have no one to blame but ourselves. Reminiscing about what happened before the election with the Dems is a distraction that Russia (including Trump) believes will get a reaction. Don't give in to the temptation to turn on each other. The members of the criminal enterprise that has transferred billions of dollars from 99 percent of us are great at the shell game. We have to keep our eye on the ball and have each other's backs at all times!

[calimary]

36. Welcome to DU, debsy.

All I have to say about the OP is "AMEN."

Peter Daou
✔@peterdaou
The Democratic Party is the ONLY institution that can prevent total rightwing control. If you're trying to destroy it, YOU own the outcome
2:55 PM - Nov 4, 2017

Amen, Amen, Amen. Now and forever more, Amen.

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. Agreed. n/t

[Demsrule86]

40. Yes...and there is no such thing as 'constructive criticism' get to work and make the party

what you want ...don't simply run it down...as it dampens voter enthusiasm.