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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsResearchers suggest delusion may be at the heart of conservative hatred of Obamacare
This weeks open enrollment for Obamacare once again made me wonder: How can conservatives be so convinced of the healthcare laws failure when the opposite is demonstrably clear? Obamacare is far from perfect, but its in no way a disaster, a catastrophe or imploding.
In 2010, the year the Affordable Care Act was signed into law, nearly 50 million people in this country were uninsured. As of 2016, that number had dropped to about 29 million, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.
People with preexisting conditions could no longer be charged more or denied coverage by insurers. Young people could remain on their parents plans up to age 26.
Yet Republican politicians and voters remain determined to do away with Obamacare, regardless of the shortcomings of their proposed replacements.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-biz-lazarus-republican-hatred-obamacare-delusion-20171103-story.html
Alternative headline: Conservatives Are Really Off Their Rockers: Science
enough
(13,259 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)A big chunk of America is out of touch with reality. And the GOP does this for power and money.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)with craven profiteers who can see the weaknesses in the minds and spirits of people and EAGERLY manipulate them to disconnect them from reality.
Its just perverse.
Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)diva77
(7,643 posts)wingnut dominated!!!
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applegrove
(118,659 posts)the ages of 45 to 65. When people start to get chronic conditions. Majority of the poor are democratic. Then, when medicare kicks in, only republicans will be left alive.
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Glamrock
(11,800 posts)Thank you Capt. Obvious!
As if anyone paying attention was unaware of right wing delusion.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)You stole my response. My first response was "RESEARCHERS? We gotta have professionals to discern whether or not this administration is off the rails?"
highplainsdem
(48,978 posts)If you got all of your news from Fox, Breitbart, Drudge, etc., and RW hate radio, you'd be deluded, too.
Don't underestimate the brainwashing effect of decades of RW propaganda, which was started very deliberately half a century ago and funded by RW billionaires.
Some background on this from an old Washington Post article on one of those billionaires, Richard Mellon Scaife:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/scaifemain050299.htm
Confounded by Goldwater's devastating defeat that November, many conservatives concluded that they could only win an election in the future by matching their enemy's firepower. It was time, as a Scaife associate of that era put it, to wage "the war of ideas." Scaife enthusiastically adopted this view.
"We saw what the Democrats were doing and decided to do the mirror image, but do it better," this Scaife associate said. "In those days [the early 1970s] you had the American Civil Liberties Union, the government-supported legal corporations [neighborhood legal services programs], a strong Democratic Party with strong labor support, the Brookings Institution, the New York Times and Washington Post and all these other people on the left and nobody on the right." The idea was to correct that imbalance. "And the first idea was to copy what works."
This sort of thinking went far beyond Scaife's office in Pittsburgh. He was riding a wave at the same time he contributed to it. Former congressman Vin Weber, an early and active member of the "movement conservative" Republican faction on Capitol Hill, recalled that "people on the right were absolutely convinced that there was a vast, left-wing conspiracy" that had to be mimicked and countered with new conservative organizations that were "philosophically sound, technologically proficient and movement-oriented." This became a mantra for the new conservative activists.
Sarah Scaife died in 1965, and her son then had a freer hand to reorient the family giving. By 1976, the year Jimmy Carter was elected president, Scaife's conservative interests had come to dominate the foundations' giving. Just more than half of the $18 million in grants that year went to conservative recipients. By 1980, the year Ronald Reagan defeated Carter, conservative groups were awarded $13 million of about $18 million in Scaife grants. Conservative interests have continued to predominate in Scaife's philanthropy ever since.
While Scaife's money supported individual institutions, his office in Pittsburgh encouraged the evolution of a new community of activists on the right. One longtime recipient of Scaife's support recalled a meeting convened in California in 1973 by Richard M. Larry, Scaife's longtime chief aide, where his beneficiaries could meet one another. A person who attended the California meeting said he was delighted to find people there he'd never heard of a new peer group on the right.
The Heritage Foundation became an important part of the right's community-building efforts. Scaife first contributed to Heritage in 1974. Soon afterward, using money from Scaife, Heritage established its resource bank, a compilation of conservative organizations, which from 1982 was published in the Directory of Public Policy Organizations, a guide to the new right-wing establishment. The current edition lists 300 groups; 111 have received grants from Scaife, 76 of them in 1998.
Heritage, organized by former staff assistants to Republican lawmakers whose goal was to influence both Congress and the news media with a stream of brief, meaty position papers on issues of the day, became Scaife's favorite beneficiary. When it began to make a mark in the mid-1970s, Joseph Coors, the beer magnate, was commonly credited as its chief financial patron. Coors did put up the first $250,000. But within two years, according to Heritage officials, Scaife had given more than twice as much, and he has kept on giving ever since more than $23 million in all, or about $34 million in inflation-adjusted, current dollars. At Heritage the joke was, "Coors gives six-packs; Scaife gives cases."
And of course Scaife was behind the Arkansas Project attacks on Bill Clinton.
As for the impact of right wing talk radio -- for that oozing gangrenous limb of American media, we can thank Reagan's FCC scrapping the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, and Reagan and George HW Bush vetoing Democrats' attempts to restore it.
orangecrush
(19,555 posts)Did more to spread misery and injustice in America than just about anyone.
Right now he's probably keeping Scalia company.
Salviati
(6,008 posts)... sometimes makes me wish there was a hell.
Ukapau
(78 posts)"a vast rightwing conspiracy" opposed to her and Bill, and the mainstream press pretended it didn't exist, pretended she was making it up when she clearly was telling the absolute truth.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)A conspiracy is done in secret. This was all out in the open. She should have called it "a vast right wing attack machine."
Ukapau
(78 posts)were doing so, and certainly the press pooh-poohed it and this suggested that Clinton was being paranoid, when she clearly was not being paranoid.
It took a while for the Arkansas project to be revealed.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But there was a huge amount of negative info and pushed about the Clintons in the 90s and the sources of this information were easily traceable. I still remember readig about how a lot of it came from particular right wing source who was also paying for Paula Jones lawyer.
Ukapau
(78 posts)Short article at : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vast_right-wing_conspiracy
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)The ones with insurance don't want more people to have it. They don't want poor people in the waiting room of their doctor's office. Plus they have repeatedly said that there will be longer waits if more patients are seeking care.
Liberals have been signing up for health insurance while many conservatives have been boycotting it to save money. A lot of the ones avoiding assume they don't need it up until they do. Medical problems can happen to anyone at any time.
Lars39
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Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)Many of us are lifelong Dems who support Obamacare, although we don't necessarily get much from that program.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)I know a good many of them. Active duty military are supposed to avoid talking about political leaders especially the president, so many just avoid political discussions altogether.
There is a sizable portion of them who would agree with us on universal health care, especially if they've had good experiences with the military health programs.
orangecrush
(19,555 posts)JHB
(37,160 posts)...especially after binging on it for decades.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)The guy at the bar last night was just spitting teeth saying how Bowe Bergdahl should be murdered just the way Trump described; they're just looking for something to hate and they can't stop hating.
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)In my considered opinion, one must be delusional to be a rethug or supporter thereof, in the first place. Especially the the thugs who also have fooled themselves, and each other, that they are genuine Christians.
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)They have already shown that repubs have less empathy, and probably lower IQ's. That tends to make people fear what they don't understand. Add cultural bias and we have people shrinking to a "safety zone" of lies and delusion. I don't pity them. Far from it.
Some of them are vicious and armed, as we have seen.
Many incest survivors lose family contacts, support, etc, when they tell the truth.
Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)From the beginning, Repubs loved to point out the old saw "60% of Americans hate Obamacare."
Of course, half of that "disapproval" rating was from Dems, Liberals, and Progressives who felt that the program didn't go far enough to provide care to Americans. That kind of subtlety doesn't play well with the elemetary level intelligence of vast swaths of the American public. Unfortunately, those people blew off the elections after '08 in ways that allowed the Repubs to take charge of the Congress who have been steadily undermining the program since then.
As always, it's far easier to snipe at something and sit back and throw shitbombs than it is to actually work for something.
George II
(67,782 posts)....asking which they thought was better, the Affordable Care Act or Obamacare. Almost all said the ACA, oblivious to the fact that the two were the same thing!
Vinca
(50,271 posts)wrong with it is Obama. Can't let a Democrat have a big win and certainly can't allow a black POTUS (who can't possibly be legitimate, right??) get a win. Republicans will squeal like the pigs they are if they go to buy insurance with their pre-existing condition and get denied. Apologies to the porcine community.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)throw in a little militarism, jingoism, anti intellectualism and misogyny and you have modern fascism.
GoCubsGo
(32,083 posts)They have a pretty conservative bias, and one would think think that calling conservatives "deluded" would not sit well with them.
BadGimp
(4,015 posts)I had to look up the system justification motivation. phrase, and yes it's pretty much what it sounds like.
A theory of system justification:
Is there a nonconscious tendency to defend, bolster and justify aspects of the societal status quo?
http://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2017/06/system-justification.aspx