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meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:56 AM Nov 2017

Researchers suggest delusion may be at the heart of conservative hatred of Obamacare

This week’s open enrollment for Obamacare once again made me wonder: How can conservatives be so convinced of the healthcare law’s failure when the opposite is demonstrably clear? Obamacare is far from perfect, but it’s in no way a “disaster,” a “catastrophe” or “imploding.”

In 2010, the year the Affordable Care Act was signed into law, nearly 50 million people in this country were uninsured. As of 2016, that number had dropped to about 29 million, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.

People with preexisting conditions could no longer be charged more or denied coverage by insurers. Young people could remain on their parents’ plans up to age 26.

Yet Republican politicians and voters remain determined to do away with Obamacare, regardless of the shortcomings of their proposed replacements.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-biz-lazarus-republican-hatred-obamacare-delusion-20171103-story.html

Alternative headline: Conservatives Are Really Off Their Rockers: Science

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Researchers suggest delusion may be at the heart of conservative hatred of Obamacare (Original Post) meow2u3 Nov 2017 OP
A very carefully designed and nurtured delusion. NT enough Nov 2017 #1
An intense, relentless propoganda machine produces insanity. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #2
Decades of AM radio and other conservative media Cosmocat Nov 2017 #9
The GOP knowingly does this. Pure evil. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #23
+1,000,000,000 THIS!!!!!! plus FM radio, network tv, cable tv, even public tv to certain extent diva77 Nov 2017 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #3
And they want people who vote democratic to die of illness between applegrove Nov 2017 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #34
Dear researchers.... Glamrock Nov 2017 #4
Doggonit! Plucketeer Nov 2017 #12
Most RWers I know are delusional because of the RW alternate-universe media. highplainsdem Nov 2017 #5
Scaife orangecrush Nov 2017 #8
People like that... Salviati Nov 2017 #22
Hillary Clinton was absolutely correct when she referred to Ukapau Nov 2017 #13
She was wrong to call it a conspiracy. marylandblue Nov 2017 #25
It is my understanding that those who were engaging in the conspiracy denied they Ukapau Nov 2017 #27
Yes thet did deny and the press did pooh pooh it marylandblue Nov 2017 #28
Very interesting item in wikipedia.org about that. Ukapau Nov 2017 #29
They don't view it as a good thing IronLionZion Nov 2017 #6
And some older military retirees resent that they wouldnt have special privileges. Lars39 Nov 2017 #10
Careful with the veterans generalities... Wounded Bear Nov 2017 #17
I will add some to subject line. Lars39 Nov 2017 #24
There are a hell of a lot more liberal vets and military than they let on IronLionZion Nov 2017 #19
... orangecrush Nov 2017 #7
A steady diet of conservative fantasy and horseshit will do that... JHB Nov 2017 #11
Their delusion is stoked by their bitterness and anger Dem2 Nov 2017 #14
Makes perfect sense to me, since Hayduke Bomgarte Nov 2017 #15
Which came first the apple or the seed? 58Sunliner Nov 2017 #16
Some basic reality that is difficult to overcome and easy to exploit... Wounded Bear Nov 2017 #18
I forget which late-night show had someone on the street interviewing people... George II Nov 2017 #20
Obamacare was their proposal against Hillarycare way back when. The only thing they see Vinca Nov 2017 #21
built on racism, paranoia and scapegoating... Thomas Hurt Nov 2017 #26
I'm surprised the Trib printed that article. GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #30
Delusion is such a watered down word. They're Nucking Futz if you ask me!! BadGimp Nov 2017 #31

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
2. An intense, relentless propoganda machine produces insanity.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:03 AM
Nov 2017

A big chunk of America is out of touch with reality. And the GOP does this for power and money.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
9. Decades of AM radio and other conservative media
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:14 AM
Nov 2017

with craven profiteers who can see the weaknesses in the minds and spirits of people and EAGERLY manipulate them to disconnect them from reality.

Its just perverse.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
33. +1,000,000,000 THIS!!!!!! plus FM radio, network tv, cable tv, even public tv to certain extent
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:38 AM
Nov 2017


wingnut dominated!!!

Response to meow2u3 (Original post)

applegrove

(118,659 posts)
32. And they want people who vote democratic to die of illness between
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:05 AM
Nov 2017

the ages of 45 to 65. When people start to get chronic conditions. Majority of the poor are democratic. Then, when medicare kicks in, only republicans will be left alive.

Response to applegrove (Reply #32)

Glamrock

(11,800 posts)
4. Dear researchers....
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:08 AM
Nov 2017

Thank you Capt. Obvious!

As if anyone paying attention was unaware of right wing delusion.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
12. Doggonit!
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:35 AM
Nov 2017

You stole my response. My first response was "RESEARCHERS? We gotta have professionals to discern whether or not this administration is off the rails?"

highplainsdem

(48,978 posts)
5. Most RWers I know are delusional because of the RW alternate-universe media.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:28 AM
Nov 2017

If you got all of your news from Fox, Breitbart, Drudge, etc., and RW hate radio, you'd be deluded, too.

Don't underestimate the brainwashing effect of decades of RW propaganda, which was started very deliberately half a century ago and funded by RW billionaires.

Some background on this from an old Washington Post article on one of those billionaires, Richard Mellon Scaife:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/scaifemain050299.htm

The events of 1964 were a turning point for Scaife, and for American conservatives. Scaife was an alternate to the Republican Convention that chose Arizona Sen. Barry M. Goldwater as the party's presidential nominee, and he became an active contributor and supporter. He escorted Goldwater on the Scaife family airplane to California in July 1964 to attend the Bohemian Grove retreat, a boozy and confidential gathering of conservative, mostly wealthy men.

Confounded by Goldwater's devastating defeat that November, many conservatives concluded that they could only win an election in the future by matching their enemy's firepower. It was time, as a Scaife associate of that era put it, to wage "the war of ideas." Scaife enthusiastically adopted this view.

"We saw what the Democrats were doing and decided to do the mirror image, but do it better," this Scaife associate said. "In those days [the early 1970s] you had the American Civil Liberties Union, the government-supported legal corporations [neighborhood legal services programs], a strong Democratic Party with strong labor support, the Brookings Institution, the New York Times and Washington Post and all these other people on the left – and nobody on the right." The idea was to correct that imbalance. "And the first idea was to copy what works."

This sort of thinking went far beyond Scaife's office in Pittsburgh. He was riding a wave at the same time he contributed to it. Former congressman Vin Weber, an early and active member of the "movement conservative" Republican faction on Capitol Hill, recalled that "people on the right were absolutely convinced that there was a vast, left-wing conspiracy" that had to be mimicked and countered with new conservative organizations that were "philosophically sound, technologically proficient and movement-oriented." This became a mantra for the new conservative activists.

Sarah Scaife died in 1965, and her son then had a freer hand to reorient the family giving. By 1976, the year Jimmy Carter was elected president, Scaife's conservative interests had come to dominate the foundations' giving. Just more than half of the $18 million in grants that year went to conservative recipients. By 1980, the year Ronald Reagan defeated Carter, conservative groups were awarded $13 million of about $18 million in Scaife grants. Conservative interests have continued to predominate in Scaife's philanthropy ever since.

While Scaife's money supported individual institutions, his office in Pittsburgh encouraged the evolution of a new community of activists on the right. One longtime recipient of Scaife's support recalled a meeting convened in California in 1973 by Richard M. Larry, Scaife's longtime chief aide, where his beneficiaries could meet one another. A person who attended the California meeting said he was delighted to find people there he'd never heard of – a new peer group on the right.

The Heritage Foundation became an important part of the right's community-building efforts. Scaife first contributed to Heritage in 1974. Soon afterward, using money from Scaife, Heritage established its resource bank, a compilation of conservative organizations, which from 1982 was published in the Directory of Public Policy Organizations, a guide to the new right-wing establishment. The current edition lists 300 groups; 111 have received grants from Scaife, 76 of them in 1998.

Heritage, organized by former staff assistants to Republican lawmakers whose goal was to influence both Congress and the news media with a stream of brief, meaty position papers on issues of the day, became Scaife's favorite beneficiary. When it began to make a mark in the mid-1970s, Joseph Coors, the beer magnate, was commonly credited as its chief financial patron. Coors did put up the first $250,000. But within two years, according to Heritage officials, Scaife had given more than twice as much, and he has kept on giving ever since – more than $23 million in all, or about $34 million in inflation-adjusted, current dollars. At Heritage the joke was, "Coors gives six-packs; Scaife gives cases."


And of course Scaife was behind the Arkansas Project attacks on Bill Clinton.


As for the impact of right wing talk radio -- for that oozing gangrenous limb of American media, we can thank Reagan's FCC scrapping the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, and Reagan and George HW Bush vetoing Democrats' attempts to restore it.

orangecrush

(19,555 posts)
8. Scaife
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:10 AM
Nov 2017

Did more to spread misery and injustice in America than just about anyone.

Right now he's probably keeping Scalia company.

 

Ukapau

(78 posts)
13. Hillary Clinton was absolutely correct when she referred to
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:36 AM
Nov 2017

"a vast rightwing conspiracy" opposed to her and Bill, and the mainstream press pretended it didn't exist, pretended she was making it up when she clearly was telling the absolute truth.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
25. She was wrong to call it a conspiracy.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 01:49 PM
Nov 2017

A conspiracy is done in secret. This was all out in the open. She should have called it "a vast right wing attack machine."

 

Ukapau

(78 posts)
27. It is my understanding that those who were engaging in the conspiracy denied they
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:25 PM
Nov 2017

were doing so, and certainly the press pooh-poohed it and this suggested that Clinton was being paranoid, when she clearly was not being paranoid.

It took a while for the Arkansas project to be revealed.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
28. Yes thet did deny and the press did pooh pooh it
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:29 PM
Nov 2017

But there was a huge amount of negative info and pushed about the Clintons in the 90s and the sources of this information were easily traceable. I still remember readig about how a lot of it came from particular right wing source who was also paying for Paula Jones lawyer.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
6. They don't view it as a good thing
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:03 AM
Nov 2017

The ones with insurance don't want more people to have it. They don't want poor people in the waiting room of their doctor's office. Plus they have repeatedly said that there will be longer waits if more patients are seeking care.

Liberals have been signing up for health insurance while many conservatives have been boycotting it to save money. A lot of the ones avoiding assume they don't need it up until they do. Medical problems can happen to anyone at any time.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
10. And some older military retirees resent that they wouldnt have special privileges.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:14 AM
Nov 2017

Last edited Sun Nov 5, 2017, 12:30 PM - Edit history (1)

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
17. Careful with the veterans generalities...
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:17 AM
Nov 2017

Many of us are lifelong Dems who support Obamacare, although we don't necessarily get much from that program.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
19. There are a hell of a lot more liberal vets and military than they let on
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:34 AM
Nov 2017

I know a good many of them. Active duty military are supposed to avoid talking about political leaders especially the president, so many just avoid political discussions altogether.

There is a sizable portion of them who would agree with us on universal health care, especially if they've had good experiences with the military health programs.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
11. A steady diet of conservative fantasy and horseshit will do that...
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:34 AM
Nov 2017

...especially after binging on it for decades.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
14. Their delusion is stoked by their bitterness and anger
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:39 AM
Nov 2017

The guy at the bar last night was just spitting teeth saying how Bowe Bergdahl should be murdered just the way Trump described; they're just looking for something to hate and they can't stop hating.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
15. Makes perfect sense to me, since
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:56 AM
Nov 2017

In my considered opinion, one must be delusional to be a rethug or supporter thereof, in the first place. Especially the the thugs who also have fooled themselves, and each other, that they are genuine Christians.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
16. Which came first the apple or the seed?
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:16 AM
Nov 2017

They have already shown that repubs have less empathy, and probably lower IQ's. That tends to make people fear what they don't understand. Add cultural bias and we have people shrinking to a "safety zone" of lies and delusion. I don't pity them. Far from it.
Some of them are vicious and armed, as we have seen.
Many incest survivors lose family contacts, support, etc, when they tell the truth.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
18. Some basic reality that is difficult to overcome and easy to exploit...
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:24 AM
Nov 2017

From the beginning, Repubs loved to point out the old saw "60% of Americans hate Obamacare."

Of course, half of that "disapproval" rating was from Dems, Liberals, and Progressives who felt that the program didn't go far enough to provide care to Americans. That kind of subtlety doesn't play well with the elemetary level intelligence of vast swaths of the American public. Unfortunately, those people blew off the elections after '08 in ways that allowed the Repubs to take charge of the Congress who have been steadily undermining the program since then.

As always, it's far easier to snipe at something and sit back and throw shitbombs than it is to actually work for something.

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. I forget which late-night show had someone on the street interviewing people...
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:42 AM
Nov 2017

....asking which they thought was better, the Affordable Care Act or Obamacare. Almost all said the ACA, oblivious to the fact that the two were the same thing!

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
21. Obamacare was their proposal against Hillarycare way back when. The only thing they see
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:43 AM
Nov 2017

wrong with it is Obama. Can't let a Democrat have a big win and certainly can't allow a black POTUS (who can't possibly be legitimate, right??) get a win. Republicans will squeal like the pigs they are if they go to buy insurance with their pre-existing condition and get denied. Apologies to the porcine community.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
26. built on racism, paranoia and scapegoating...
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 02:09 PM
Nov 2017

throw in a little militarism, jingoism, anti intellectualism and misogyny and you have modern fascism.

GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
30. I'm surprised the Trib printed that article.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:39 PM
Nov 2017

They have a pretty conservative bias, and one would think think that calling conservatives "deluded" would not sit well with them.

BadGimp

(4,015 posts)
31. Delusion is such a watered down word. They're Nucking Futz if you ask me!!
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:35 PM
Nov 2017

I had to look up the “system justification motivation.” phrase, and yes it's pretty much what it sounds like.

A theory of system justification:
Is there a nonconscious tendency to defend, bolster and justify aspects of the societal status quo?

http://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2017/06/system-justification.aspx

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