The meme across the national media this morning is that the democratic party is completely broken.

[spanone]

and donna brazille has exposed it all.

amazing how they all can come to that same conclusion and ignore the fact that Hillary won the popular vote by THREE MILLION VOTES.

Does anyone think the russians went home after last years election?

[Madam45for2923]

1. This is the meme they've been trying to push since election day. GOP, MSM & 3rd party voters.

They don't care about the country. They want a piece of our party.

[greymattermom]

2. So the Russians are buying DB's book

to help Republicans win the Virginia governorship?

[sharedvalues]

8. Russians are amplifying attacks on social media

And the right is using the conservative propaganda media to amplify attacks too. Eventually the real press picks up those attacks.


Yes, Russia and the right are using Brazile as an opportunity to get electoral advantage here.

[PDittie]

34. LOL

[mucifer]

3. Watching the network tv news programs this am. It's not as bad as I thought it would be

Snuffalupagus is gonna have Donna Brazile on this morning. That's gonna be a mess.

Face the Nation says their top two stories are the Mueller investigation and how the republicans are having trouble with their tax bill.

Meet the Press is gonna have their 70 year anniversary today and it looks like they will discuss all three stories.

[sharedvalues]

9. Phew

[HopeAgain]

4. Hillary may have won the popular vote, but

She lost the election, they won the Senate, House, most the gubernatorial races, state houses....

We need to make sweeping changes and here is the opportunity.

[RKP5637]

5. +++ 1,000 n/t

[delisen]

6. We need to deal with Russia and with

voter suppression, the propaganda war by those who want to destroy the Democratic Party and rebuild it in their image.

Republicans won the house in 2012. State and governorships were won by them since 2010

Clinton's performance in 2016 was phenomenal considering the forces arrayed against her, including the many on the so-called "anti-establishment"left who bought into and/or utilized Russian propaganda and fake news.

We do need to make changes. We need to forcefully respond when others falsely define the Democratic Party and are thus able to demoralize the party faithful.

We need to be ready for the counterattack when we produce big results for the people-such as healthcare in 2009.

Clinton is a leader of the Democratic Party - a proven leader. She isn't going away. We need her and our other leaders standing with us

We already have enough name-calling, granade-throwing critics who confuse Democrats with Republicans despite the clear differences.

[HopeAgain]

19. Sorry, fair or not, it is time to move on...

Clinton is too divisive a figure, both inside and outside the party, fairly so or not. We need her to play no bigger a role than Gore or Kerry. And I don't believe Sanders is the solution, but some of his message needs to be paid attention to.

[delisen]

22. Nothing to do with "moving" on.

No need for you to be sorry-you are entitled to your opinion and to voice it.

However, your opinion as to what Clinton Clinton's role should be is just that -your opinion- as worthy as everyone else opinion.

Clinton wil play the role she has indicated she will play, that she is determined to play, and that millions of Americans want.

Sander's too, although he lost the recent primary is also able to participate at whatever level he chooses-even his "of the party but not in it" stance-which has clearly divided party member from party member.

As for those outside the party who target our strongest leaders with with lies, threat of jail, investigations in the hope that we will replace them with weaker leaders--I see no reason to accommodate them. Accommodating bullies, liars and cheats can only weaken us.

The Democratic Party has a rabid opposition both within and outside the U.S. That opposition is anti-human rights, anti-women power, anti-child welfare and education, and anti-democracy.
When they target a Democratic Party leader, they do so because she is cutting-edge, they target the strong, those likely to stop their march to authoritarianism.
Being decisive in this context is exactly what we need.

[dalton99a]

7. No shit

[Dem2]

10. Doesn't matter they'll just make up a new meme when the Democrats win

Let them have their glee pointing at others and saying "oh boy! I'm glad I'm not them!"

[EL34x4]

11. "...ignore the fact that Hillary won the popular vote by THREE MILLION VOTES..."

We should ignore this. It didn't mean shit last November and it doesn't mean shit now, except to make people feel better about LOSING.

Winning California by 3.5 million votes doesn't mean squat when we're losing everywhere else, have no real party leadership, and have no cohesive message other than "Trump is bad and everyone who voted for him is racist!" We're mired in party infighting, squabbles, dirty laundry airing, and score-settling, and are seemingly placing our only hope on regaining power on a special counsel.

There's a reason why a broken Democratic Party is the current meme.

[CrispyQ]

13. Excellent post.

The party has dropped the ball in a major way, but too many use the 3.5 million vote win as a reason to shut down any criticism. The dems are in as bad a place as I've ever seen in my life. Another re-districting like 2010 & they will lose the House for a second decade. And where are those lines drawn? At the state level where the dems really dropped the ball.

And we're the smart party?

[Kilgore]

14. +++++++100000000

Nailed it!

[melman]

16. Yes

100% this. All of this.

[shanny]

18. Amen.

[delisen]

26. why don't you lay out your positive message for us?

[shanny]

12. fwiw, Hillary won the popular vote by THREE MILLION VOTES

against Donald Fucking Trump. That doesn't mean the Democratic Party has no need for some self-examination. There have been more races than just that one.

[R B Garr]

15. If we are being honest, the cries for self-examination

don’t really ring true since it’s more personality driven. The Russian’s attacked Hillary personally, not really on policy. Her policies were very progressive. Bernie was not attacked, so they were going after the divisiveness that he generated. This strategy has been all over the news.

[shanny]

17. Wot?

Losing the White House, the Senate, the House, 1000+ state legislative seats and a bunch of governor-ships since 2010 is not "personality driven."

"There have been more races than just that one."

[R B Garr]

20. Okay, but theres more to it like redistricting, etc. Now we

have good Democrats (or at least good for their region) being targeted like in the VA Governors race, and in California an elected official is being harassed by Revolution types over deliberate misrepresentations that mirror stump speeches. Messaging shouldn’t be one-size-fits-all, either, like the the so-called Revolution tries to force.

[shanny]

23. Sure there's more, especially re-districting and vote suppression.

My problem is: these shenanigans have been going on since AT LEAST 2000 (remember Katherine Harris purging the voter rolls in Florida?*) and so far the Democratic Party has done nothing more than wait for some isolated cases to wend their way through the court system--after the fact of course. What's up with that?

*oh, wait...that loss was all Nader's fault (iow convenient excuses are counter-productive)

[R B Garr]

24. Yes, thats more grounded in reality. Nothing wrong with

Democrats being more aggressive on many levels. But the Revolution message has lost in many areas, as well, so it’s not a cure-all like I thought you were implying. For instance, California is already progressive and some places never will be, so no need to force one man’s world view.

Absolutely right about being more proactive and aggressive, and that could be from any direction—like lies by third party types, etc.

[delisen]

28. If you specify who/what was responsible for 2010 loss

it might help. Some people may disagree or have other ideas about causes-but at least the conversation could begin to get somewhere.

Surely, Clinton was not responsible.

In 2008 the Democrats seemed in fairly good shape, so what happened in 2010 through 2014?

[shanny]

30. Of course it wasn't Clinton.

2008 was a huge groundswell of dissatisfaction and hope for change. And then not much changed. The banks which destroyed our economy got bailed out at taxpayer expense, no bankers were prosecuted--in fact they got bonuses! at taxpayers' expense. The war criminals who lied us into a war and permitted--promoted!--torture didn't even get called on it. The war in Iraq continued. The other war in Afghanistan ramped up. The signature piece of legislation, the ACA, was passed with no Republican votes after months of compromising and negotiating in the attempt to get them; had no public option or cost controls and wasn't even scheduled to kick in for years--that allowed plenty of time for the opposition to ramp up their noise machine and Make Stuff Up as always.

People didn't need to expect unicorns to be disappointed. I was. So enthusiasm was low in 2010 and too many on our side stayed home. I think after that the gerrymandering / electronic voting scammers / vote suppressors etc really kicked in and here we are. Obama was still too popular to be defeated by point-shaving (remember Rove's disbelief about the results in Ohio in 2012? I'd sure like to know more about that) but other Dems were not that fortunate.

My biggest problem is that the Democratic Party still isn't focusing on the very real election fraud the Rs are perpetrating in plain view all around us. There comes a point when "not questioning the integrity of our elections" becomes self-defeating. Maybe we are finally there.

[PDittie]

35. It's not worth

a bucket of warm piss, as some very conservative Democrat once said about something else.

[shanny]

36. Amen.

[GoCubsGo]

21. Everyone look at the shiny object.

Pay no attention to what the Dotard and his demonspawn are up to in Asia and elsewhere. Pay no attention to what is going on with the Mueller investigation. Don't look at what the republicans in Congress are up to. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

[ismnotwasm]

25. Thats too bad, and not true.

Democrats on the west coat are poised for dominance and have some really good ideas to move forward.

I’m not folllowing other regions as closely.

[nolabear]

27. I dont agree about the expose but we do need to build up and FAST.

We can work on the ground but we truly need leaders who aren’t scared and who have vision and a way with words.

[Irish_Dem]

29. The Russians are alive and well in the USA. nt

[meow2u3]

31. This meme that the Democratic Party is completely broken is another piece of russkie disinformation

Every time Democrats gain the upper hand over the repunks, the same old horseshit of Democrats being broken is trotted out.

I'd like to trot out the Russkies and repunks--who seem to be working together--and haul them off into hell all by myself!

[tomp]

32. 2016 was most likely the third stolen pres. election

Gore, certainly; Kerry, most likely; and Clinton,most likely.

I believe Clinton won. That doesn't mean I think she was a good candidate or good for the country. Better than trump...duh!...but that is an extremely low bar.

So what have the democrats done to prevent these kiinds of thefts? If anything, not enough.

This worries me. Everything with the dems is so inside the box, chained to orthodoxy, and servile to entrenched leadership. This is not going to get the job done.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

33. We have been in a secular decline as a national policital force for a generation

Putin wasn't pushing any buttons or doing much of anything other than humming L'Internationale at the urinal when Newt Gingrich was king.