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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 02:37 PM Nov 2017

After reading the back-and-forth postings which, in essence, continue to refight the

Hillary vs. Bernie divide in our party---OUR party---, I see repeated calls for us to "come together" and "unite". It occurs to me that, given the fact that this disagreement is, after a year of shouting and finger pointing, STILL very much what we are focused upon, some of us here don't really want to unite.
Am I wrong? (And, please, don't respond with that mindless deflection: "Examples?"---as though you have no idea what I'm talking about.)

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After reading the back-and-forth postings which, in essence, continue to refight the (Original Post) Atticus Nov 2017 OP
We must unite Twitler Nov 2017 #1
I think we are ready to unite MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #2
Hey, Schmucker! GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #5
As for specifics... Garrett78 Nov 2017 #6
Good start MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #9
"Unite" where? is the question/problem shanny Nov 2017 #3
Bernie's list MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #8
IMO its fine to talk about specific fact based incidents. this is a political board nt msongs Nov 2017 #4
I think now it's just a kneejerk reaction. Almost every one of these "come together" posts and Squinch Nov 2017 #7
Yep! To be clear DEM trashing is not unifying. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #10
We can't win without fighting tooth and nail. ucrdem Nov 2017 #11
BTW & FYI: DEM or DEMS trashing will not be seen as UNIFYING. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #12
It seems to be the same people fighting in these threads. cwydro Nov 2017 #13
I think there a lot of lonely, frustrated people out there. Posts probably say more about the poster jalan48 Nov 2017 #15
I think you are right. cwydro Nov 2017 #17
True-there's a troll in all of us I would guess. jalan48 Nov 2017 #19
I trash the Bernie/Hillary threads. cwydro Nov 2017 #20
I may have to join you on that. The politicians involved seem less upset about their differences jalan48 Nov 2017 #21
Yes. cwydro Nov 2017 #23
It airs the issues ucrdem Nov 2017 #16
I see your point. cwydro Nov 2017 #18
Not ready..and IF there are a handful of Russian trolls Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2017 #14
I don't worry what other people do( I would like unity for the party) I will always blueinredohio Nov 2017 #22
It's not only up to us... it's also up to the candidates who ran. Not everyone is on board... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #24
 

Twitler

(86 posts)
1. We must unite
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 02:41 PM
Nov 2017

Our future as a republic depends on it. There is a swamp, and now it is filled with the Russian mob and cowards. We must take back OUR government.

MaryMagdaline

(6,854 posts)
2. I think we are ready to unite
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 02:54 PM
Nov 2017

I think we need specific suggestions. If we don't like a party platform, tell us why and how we can change it.

Saying "we need new leadership;" "leaders are too old..." without specifics just hurts us old Democrats and does not work towards the future.

I think we should start with everyone here nominating someone they admire as a democrat, giving the rest of us democrats a sample of their work:videos if their talks, articles addressing their platforms and then 50 or so members here can contact that person, tell them their country needs them, ask them to run for a position in the party leadership ... otherwise make them known throughout the party.

Today I nominate Sean Patrick Maloney. Watch takedown of Tucker Carlson.

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GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
5. Hey, Schmucker!
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 03:39 PM
Nov 2017

Why don't YOU demand that the republican leadership, you know, the ones who control Congress, ban foreign governments from lobbying Congress? Why are you insisting that the minority party, which has no sway over much of anything, demand it? You know damn well that any Democratic demands will fall on deaf ears. Go fuck yourself.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
3. "Unite" where? is the question/problem
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 03:10 PM
Nov 2017

Recent poll showed Democrats prefer a left turn--52-48%. Even if you don't believe that, Bernie got 45% of primary voters I think. Only 14% of registered voters voted in the Democratic primaries (so what, 50%? of all Dems).

Any way you slice it, there's a big split in where the party goes from here. For my money, turn left. There seem to be diminishing returns from attempting to appeal to the mythical moderate Republicans.

MaryMagdaline

(6,854 posts)
8. Bernie's list
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 03:51 PM
Nov 2017

Get a list of Bernie-type progressives in the down ballot races, give us the names and let's start talking them up. We need the farm team to be brought to the majors. Like last week.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
7. I think now it's just a kneejerk reaction. Almost every one of these "come together" posts and
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 03:46 PM
Nov 2017

threads that I have seen in the past two days has actually repeated grievances in the process of demanding that everyone else "come together."

My new strategy is to call out every instance of Democrat trashing, and to point out every instance of grievance peddling. I'm sick to death of this shit.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
11. We can't win without fighting tooth and nail.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 03:55 PM
Nov 2017

That was one lesson of 2016. Another was watch what they do, not what they say. Hope that helps!

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
13. It seems to be the same people fighting in these threads.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 03:57 PM
Nov 2017

Neither side changes the other side’s mind, so I have no idea why they continue.

It’s stupid; it’s futile, and it does nothing to help our party.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
15. I think there a lot of lonely, frustrated people out there. Posts probably say more about the poster
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:10 PM
Nov 2017

in many cases than about the subject being discussed.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
17. I think you are right.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:12 PM
Nov 2017

Some of these folks simply like to argue - see how ugly they can get without a hide.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
21. I may have to join you on that. The politicians involved seem less upset about their differences
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:20 PM
Nov 2017

than we do here on DU.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
16. It airs the issues
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:11 PM
Nov 2017

and if the numbers are more or less even there's value in the dialectic. JMHO!

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
18. I see your point.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:15 PM
Nov 2017

But these issues have for the most part been beaten into the ground.

I just trash the Bernie/Hillary threads now.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
14. Not ready..and IF there are a handful of Russian trolls
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:00 PM
Nov 2017

here...Which is probably a 99% chance ...they probably got a big ruble bonus

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
22. I don't worry what other people do( I would like unity for the party) I will always
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:21 PM
Nov 2017

vote straight democratic ticket

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
24. It's not only up to us... it's also up to the candidates who ran. Not everyone is on board...
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 05:46 PM
Nov 2017

... and I'll just leave it at that.

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