Rose McGowan Rips 'Sooo Liberal' 'Scum Bucket' Alec Baldwin

[DonViejo]

Rose McGowan fired back at Alec Baldwin on Sunday after he said McGowan “delayed justice” against disgraced film producer Harvey Weinstein, whom she says raped her. “wee little baby man had a widdle baby tantrum cos he wants to protect rapists. You’re sooo liberal, you scum bucket,” McGowan tweeted in response to Baldwin’s remarks. During an interview with the PBS Newshour, Baldwin said McGowan “took a payment of $100,000 and settled her case with him. It was for Rose McGowan to prosecute that case.” He later said McGowan “delayed justice.”

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/rose-mcgowan-fires-back-at-scum-bucket-alec-baldwin

Link to tweet

[MrScorpio]

1. No winners.

Especially when empathy is absent.

[Not Ruth]

2. There is definitely something odd happening with Baldwin

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9798805

[Ken Burch]

4. I've always expected him to end up going right-wing in the end.

His personality is better suited for that part of the spectrum.

[rockfordfile]

5. What are you talking about?

personality?

[Ken Burch]

11. His temperment...the sense of combativeness that comes out at times.

Like when he used to trash talk carriage drivers in NYC.

I'm glad he's on our side, but I can't be the only person anywhere who has wondered about the seeming paradox.

[cwydro]

33. Yeah, Ive never seen combativeness in Dems.

Certainly NEVER here on DU!

[Ken Burch]

35. Not generally to the point of gaybashing random strangers in the streets, though.

And I wasn't saying no Dems were ever jerks.

[cwydro]

36. Theres a thread on the first page of GD just this evening,

Cheering prison rape.

Most of the worst posts have been removed, but they were there.

Very disappointing.

[Orrex]

6. No, he's pretty hard left

Have you ever heard him discuss political matters in interviews? It's very clear.

He can be an asshole, to be sure, but nothing in his past or present seriously suggests that he's going to switch to Conservative.

[Ken Burch]

9. I know what his politics are.

It was just that his personal temperament seemed more suited for a person with opposite views. It's an interesting contradiction.

And I'd be glad to be wrong.

[Orrex]

10. There are plenty of liberal assholes (nt)

[Blue_true]

19. Many on the hard left have been or are assholes.

Susan Sarandon, Cornel West, Ralph Nader. Don't conflate things Ken. Those people care only about a small bucket of their hot issues, everyone else can go screw themselves.

[LanternWaste]

52. It's irrational to believe temperament is indicative of political motivations.

It's irrational to believe temperament is indicative of political motivations, or vice-versa.

[Ken Burch]

65. Ok, fine. It was just an observation.

I wasn't saying he should stop playing Trump or anything.

[JI7]

7. liberals can be assholes and sexist also

[Ken Burch]

12. Agreed.

Not sure why this is a tough one for him, though.

Perhaps it's the "Harvey gave me my big break" thing.

He deserved McGowan's response.

[Madam45for2923]

3. ????

[Blue_Adept]

8. McGowan and Argento are lashing out to be sure, and they have a reason

But they're also seeing everyone as against them in some ways and misunderstanding what was said.

http://deadline.com/2017/11/alec-baldwin-twitter-au-revoir-asia-argento-rose-mcgowan-1202201877/

[bathroommonkey76]

13. McGowan shouldn't have settled her case against this rapist.

I think Baldwin's opinion is 100% correct - How many rapes would have been prevented if Rose pursued this case?

[Orrex]

16. What you're doing is called "blaming the victim"

Weinstein committed a huge number of despicable crimes, none of which was the fault of any of his victims.

Weinstein bears full and exclusive responsibility for his crimes against each and every one of his victims. No victim bears any responsibility for Weinstein's attack on them or on anyone else.

[bathroommonkey76]

18. I'm not blaming the victim

I'm saying she shouldn't have settled her case against Harvey Weinstein.

Of course Weinstein is responsible for his crimes. Are the people who settled out of court responsible for their actions?

[Orrex]

20. The victim bears no responsibility for future victims. Full stop.

That's true whether the victim remains silent or accepts a settlement to remain silent.

Are the people who settled out of court responsible for their actions?

Yes, obviously. But not for the attacker's actions, nor for the fate of future victims.

We've seen how horrible and traumatic it is for victims of sexual assault who try to prosecute their attackers. It seems entirely reasonable to me that a victim would accept a settlement in exchange for avoiding weeks or months or years of being dragged through the media.

The attacker's actions are exclusively his own responsibility.

[bathroommonkey76]

21. Again, I didn't comment about the attacker's actions.

I was talking about the people who settled out of court for money against Weinstein. Nowhere in my comments did I blame/point the finger at the victims. Ignoring the fact that some of these women accepted money from Weinstein in the 90s & 00s is wrong. Baldwin was correct in his comment about McGowan's actions and out of court settlement helped delay justice.

[Orrex]

30. Yes, I know

And the answer is: you're blaming the victim.

What the attacker does after the attack is absolutely 100% the attacker's responsibility and 0% the responsibility of the victim.

Baldwin is completely incorrect. This isn't difficult.

[bathroommonkey76]

31. That's your interpretation.

In this politically correct world Baldwin's words will always be deemed that way - It's almost laughable that you keep regurgitating that I'm blaming the victims. lol

Keep riding that high horse, Cheech.

[Orrex]

44. Quit blaming the victim, and I'll quit calling you out for it.

[bathroommonkey76]

45. How about I continue supporting Baldwin's statement about this incident.

All you are doing is being part of the lynch squad that walks in lock-step in defense of a phrase some psychologist came up with in a case study. I can think for myself- Thanks for giving me my daily online dose of political correctness.

[bathroommonkey76]

49. Do I really?

Trying to get me banned? LOL

There's no telling what YOU will make of this. LOL

30,000 + tweets later.


https://twitter.com/bathroommonkeys


Show me any tweet that I have posted that supports right-wing talking points, "buzzwords", or "dog whistles". Go through them all!



Keep'em comin' - I love when people accuse me of being a right-wing troll on this site.

[Orrex]

50. I don't care what you do in the bathroom with your monkey

And if you get yourself banned for parroting rightwing talking points, don't blame me.

When someone weeps about "political correctness," it's usually a pretty good indicator. Why would I slog through your twit feed to find dog whistles, when you're broadcasting them here?

And what's up with this bullshit?

lynch squad that walks in lock-step in defense of a phrase some psychologist came up with in a case study.

Were you conscious when you wrote that?

[bathroommonkey76]

64. That's right

b/c liberals who are fed up with the progressives who push their views on others don't exist, right? I don't plan on getting myself banned - People like you tho are in their own "special" place in my heart. I don't have to think like you, or agree with you to be a liberal. Every thing you have typed at me was meaningless (to me) b/c I would never want to think like you.

I didn't think you would go through my Twitter feed - Doing that would make you look like a fool.

[cwydro]

53. You call someone a troll just because they disagree with you?

This is a DISCUSSION board.

[Orrex]

56. Did I call him a troll? Obviously not.

I noted--accurately--that's he fond of dog whistles and buzzwords, a fact easily supported by evidence in this very thread.

This is a DISCUSSION board.

No shit! And when a person parrots rightwing buzzwords and dog whistles, it's worth discussing.

[cwydro]

58. He/she has the right to his/her opinion.

You’re being disingenuous; your implication is clear.

[Orrex]

59. You are inferring what you wish to infer

And nowhere have I claimed that they have no right to their opinion.

[cwydro]

60. You asked if they were sure they were on the right site.

I guess all of us here must agree to some strict line of thought, or it will be suggested we belong elsewhere?

You know exactly what you’re doing with that poster.

[Orrex]

61. I stand by what I have posted, because I am correct in what I have posted

And I am correct in noting that clear invocations of rightwing buzzwords and dog whistles will often find a more receptive audience on other sites.

If you feel that I have egregiously and unfairly wronged this progressive stalwart, I invite you to familiarize yourself with the "alert" process.

[SharonClark]

32. You obviously don't know what 'blaming the victim" means.

[bathroommonkey76]

38. "blaming the victim"

Is nothing but some made up PC crap that someone came up with.

Was that phrase around in the 80s or 90s? Didn't think so.

[Orrex]

43. "PC crap?" Seriously?

You sure you're on the right website?

[bathroommonkey76]

46. What am I not "liberal" enough for you

Should I follow your direction in everything I think? LOL

Alec Baldwin is a progressive. Are you going to boycott his appearances on SNL now? You should start a campaign ASAP! I'm sure there will be others out there that feel the way you feel.

[Orrex]

47. You're comfortable rightwing buzzwords, so there's that

I don't know if it's because you're sleepy or because you didn't read what I posted, but you're asking a silly question about Baldwin.

I have--in this thread--identified him as hard left. I have also recognized that there are assholes on the left (as becoming more and more clear, I note). I have also noted that Baldwin is wrong in this, in blaming McGowan for accepting a settlement.

You seem desperate to imagine that I am condemning Baldwin across the board. Since that's not the point I've been arguing, I don't know why you'd pretend that I need to defend that point.

Rest well, sleepyhead.

[Orrex]

42. You replied to the wrong person

"Blaming the victim" in this context means holding the victim responsible for any part of the attacker's actions.

What do you imagine it to mean?

[mythology]

37. How many would have been prevented if rapists didn't rape?

Yes in an ideal world the victim of a crime would come forward. In that ideal world women (and men) who allege rape would be treated seriously, not asked what they were wearing, if they had a drink, police departments wouldn't have tens and tens of thousands of untested rape kits, etc etc, then perhaps more victims would come forward. Instead our society has long blamed the victims.

Being the victim of an intensely personal crime is tough, I think it's utterly stupid to say that if only they had come forward, somebody else wouldn't have been raped. My guess is you've never had something similar happen to you.

[bathroommonkey76]

39. You tell me

This rape alleged occurred in the 90s, right? It's possible that all of the rapes and harassment that happened in between those years wouldn't have taken place. This really isn't difficult to understand.

And I don't think that it matters either way if I have been around something like this. But if you really want to know then I will tell you someone very close to me was molested as a child. The suspect was convicted after she reported the crime to her parents. Thanks for guessing. You're most definitely not on Kreskin's level.

[BannonsLiver]

14. McGowan sounds pretty troubled

We know she may have a drug problem given that she left something that “tested positive for narcotics” on an airplane and then claimed she was being silenced by the authorities for speaking out against Weinstein which seems to indicate possible drug induced paranoia.

I hope she gets the help she needs. Sounds like she’s been through the ringer and back.

[coolsandy]

55. THAT! It's not "blaming the victim" to point out that her settlement allowed Weinstein to

continue with his predatory assaults.

[NickB79]

15. So, let me see if I have this straight

Rose McGowen took a settlement instead of prosecuting her rapist, thereby leaving him free to rape again.

Baldwin points this out, saying her silence delayed justice.

McGowen then accuses him of somehow protecting rapists??!?

Baldwin should not have thrown that blame on her, for sure, but he's clearly not trying to protect rapists in any way. This is weird.

[Orrex]

17. What you're doing is called "blaming the victim"

Weinstein committed a huge number of despicable crimes, none of which was the fault of any of his victims.

Weinstein bears full and exclusive responsibility for his crimes against each and every one of his victims. No victim bears any responsibility for Weinstein's attack on them or on anyone else.

[NickB79]

22. I already said Baldwin should not have blamed McGowan

I also said it doesn't make sense for McGowan to claim Baldwin was trying to protect rapists when he said he wanted to see Weinstein prosecuted sooner, not later.

I don't think McGowan bears any blame for not coming forward sooner, because the number of times police ignore or fumble rape charges is abhorrent. As one article I recently read stated, rape victims are often revictimized by the police as their stories are doubted and picked apart. I'd probably do the same thing as her if our places were reversed.

[TexasBushwhacker]

23. She consulted with an attorney

Who told her that since she had done a nude scene in a film, the police would not believe her. Keep in mind, she was in her early 20s when it happened. Weinstein picks his victims carefully.

[LisaL]

29. Considering how many women have accused him of various things, "carefully" isn't the word I would

use.

[SharonClark]

34. You obviously don't know what 'blaming the victim" means.

And you don't read responses to your posts.

[Dr. Strange]

63. If Weinstein bears full and exclusive responsibility, then why is Baldwin being blamed?

I'm fine with laying off of McGowan, except if she's going to blame Baldwin because

he wants to protect rapists

then her actions (or lack thereof) would seem to be fair game. Unless Baldwin has done something that we're not being told about?

[The Wielding Truth]

28. Yes. When she remained silent she left Harvey unfettered.

It may not have been what she wanted and she may have been coerced into it, but it is a fact that she took a pay off for her silence.

[Pachamama]

26. Whether correct or wrong, Rose McGowan loses the argument when she starts tweeting like Trump

Seriously - I read her tweet and it doesn't matter if what she says is 100% spot on, but if she can't answer in a mature thought provoking way explaining her reasoning and taking even words and lines like "widdle" from Trump and his immature tweets, then she loses her credibility and her audience.

[joeybee12]

27. Is it possible to see her twitter history?

She's a homophobe and transphobe.

[cwydro]

40. Huh?

Based on what?

[tymorial]

51. She said gay men are misogynistic more so than straight men.

[melman]

57. and they "fought for the right to stand on top of a float wearing an orange speedo and take molly"

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/11/05/rose-mcgowan-gays-are-more-misogynistic-than-straight-men/

[tymorial]

62. I stopped reading past the original quote

It's ridiculous but I have heard the argument before from others... gay men are really just misogynists who hate women so much that they enter relationships with men to avoid women. What is said about bisexuals is just as repugnant. We spread disease, we use women for sexual gratification only and have no respect for anyone. Whatever.

What happened to McGowan was terrible. I hope she and all of Weinstein s victims get justice. As for her comments a few years ago, whatever. They aren't new

[LanternWaste]

54. She's also a sexual assault survivor

"She's a homophobe and transphobe...."

She's also a sexual assault survivor. But I absolute understand why you may think alleged personal transgressions are relevant.