PG-13 ain't what it used to be.

[underpants]

This has to do with Thor Ragnarok. No real spoilers but stop reading if you don't want any info.











Okay so we just went to see the new Thor movie with my pre-teen (barely) daughter.
Good movie. 2 hours 10 minutes. Stay after the credits for more Jeff Goldblum.
VERY funny. It actually opens with a joke.






The parts that were completely unnecessary to the plot:
Thor, the hero, downing a liter sized mug of beer that continually refills. Won't explain how that is - cameo
The second female lead (yes this is a diverse cast) is basically an alcoholic. "Drink to forget" type thing. Her intro into the film, she is literally fall down drunk for a joke but they keep with it throughout.
"Orgies". Mentioned and then repeated for one joke.

There was also a scene with fully automatic weapon fire (earth weapons) that caused me to take my eyes off the screen to look at the exits near the screen and behind us. The times we live in.

[HipChick]

1. Going to see it tomorrow....Please mark Spoilers please..

[unblock]

2. Yes we're all a bit older these days. Next time make sure there's an adult with you.

[underpants]

4. My wife was there

[Not Ruth]

3. There was a surprising amount of good guy with a gun in Thor

I do not know why you would look around though as it was pretty well stated on screen that the AR15s were from the farway land of.....TEX......ASS.

[underpants]

5. Lots of butt jokes. Aurora Colorado

The shooter in Aurora entered from the near screen exits and started firing during a scene with automatic fire. Many in the theater didn't realize (for a few seconds) that it was actually live fire.

My wife and I talked about how the size of the audience actually put us at ease.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

6. It was a PG-13 m ovie and you took your pre-teen daughter.

What do you think PG-13 means? Pretty Good, 13 year olds recommend it?

I am apparently the only parent who actually thought my kids needed to be older than 13 before I'd let them see a PG-13 movie.

[underpants]

7. We've seen many PG-13's that had almost nothing in them.

Or they handled things much better. There was really no reason for these. They did nothing for the plot.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

9. PG-13.

You might want to double check just what that rating stands for. Most PG-13 movies have stuff absolutely unsuitable for younger children. Maybe you've been unusually fortunate, or just not bothered by whatever it was in the other PG-13 movies you've seen that garnered that rating. But you have no grounds to complain when one really is unsuitable.

I've found that it's useful to read various reviews of movies before going to them. That's because I'm quite picky about what I'm willing to pay good money for, and it helps to have a good sense of what's going to be happening in the movie. And this is entirely apart from the rating.

[Ms. Toad]

10. Our decision rested on descriptions of content

Some PG-13 (or later R) movies earned their ratings becuase they discussed adult concepts realisticaly. We frequently permitted our daughter to see those earlier than the rating suggested was good.

On the other hand, if the flag was for vicarious violence or sex, we used the ratings. The ratings were the rule in our house; ignoring them an exception - generally based on what was described in kids-in-mind.com I never regrettted any of the decisions I made using the content descriptions.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

11. That's how the ratings should be used.

I am pretty sure that it's easy to find out why a particular rating was given, which is the whole point of "Parental Guidance".

The definition of the ratings even says that a PG movie requires parental guidance.

[Ms. Toad]

12. I had the same frustration with our daughter's cousins, though

they were routinely allowed to watch any R-rated movie starting in their fairly young teens. On the once or twice a year we were together, they would want to watch an R-rated movie and - if I hadn't seen it yet - I had to be the stick-in-the-mud mom who said "no."

Once I found With Kids in Mind life got much easier.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

13. I would not let my kids watch R-rated movies

for a very, very long time. I was quite vocal about it, and other parents knew. So when my kids were over visiting, and they wanted to watch an R-rated movie, I'd almost always get a phone call requesting permission. I always gave permission. I wasn't about to tell other parents how they should raise their kids, and I also know that by getting to watch a forbidden movie occasionally my kids thought they were getting away with something. Win-win.

I am sure there were plenty of other times my kids saw an R-rated movie when young, but again, I didn't sweat the small stuff.

[Blue_Adept]

16. I started taking my kids to PG-13 movies when they hit 8

But that was because we'd talk about them beforehand and afterward. They receive a pretty strong film education from me since it's my line of work.

It's all about what each individual parent feels is best for their kid that matures at their own rate. Cast no aspersions on others in this regard. It's only when people bring tiny kids to big loud movies with pillows and blankets that I get pissed.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

27. You took your 8 year old kids to PG-13 movies?

Yes, kids do mature at different rates but 8? PG-13?

Walks away shaking her head.

[Blue_Adept]

28. Not every PG-13 movie is the same

At that age I had taken her to the first reboot Star Trek movie and the first Iron Man movie.

And then built up a good slate of films after that, mixing in lots of classics, modern biopics like 42 and 12 Years a Slave, and so forth as time went on.

Where she is now is in a place where she'll watch a whole range of films as opposed to a particular genre, has a deep love of WWII movies across a surprising range of areas, is very keen into international film, but will roll with all kinds of raunchy comedies as well.

It's not going to work for a lot of parents or kids. But it worked for me, especially since I always had things on and always with subtitles (so she was reading things at an early age; her teachers criticized her for reading Harry Potter books when she thought she was too young, one actually accusing her of not actually reading it but just trying to look smart). But with subtitles on her vocabulary picked up big time because I watched a lot of foreign TV for work and she wanted to know what it was, but could only know if she could read the subtitles, so her reading skills picked up a lot.

I'd rather her be like this than her friend that was sheltered from everything and is so tightly wound that when she ends up in college she's going to snap in a very bad way because of it.

Just remember, the key to everything I did was regular engagement and talking. Not a hands off latch key kid like I was that discovered all of it on my own.

[lunasun]

26. No I agree with you. 10 or 11 is not the same as over 13 and that's when they could go to see PG-13

[Ms. Toad]

8. Seems pretty standard PG-13 fare.

I've ever seen anything portraying drinking or alcoholism, alone, receive anything beyond a PG-13 rating.

As to the violence - that's always been the standard divider between G and PG, but not between PG and R. The dividing line between PG and R is typically sex - even just liberal use of the F-word.

Women's bodies, and even express portrayal of rape of women (Billy Jack - 1971- PG - not even PG-13) gets you a PG-13. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066832/parentalguide

Naked men (often even only the naked backside of men) gets you an R. I can't remember the movie that came out right after Billy Jack - a much less violent movie, but it committed the sin o displaying naked male buttocks.

[Blue_Adept]

14. The times we live in? C'mon

This just means you're not aware of the source material.

Hell, the 80's had an extended arc with Tony Stark giving up Iron Man because he was an alcoholic who lost everything, including his company and friends.

Comics does not equal kids.

And go back and watch some PG movies from before PG-13 was put out.

Nothing you had in your list would make it an R-rated movie.

You're simply letting too much of the real world interfere with escapism. Best to avoid anything that's not PG or lower.

[underpants]

18. My times comment was about guns.

[Egnever]

15. Don't forget the orgy joke

I was sitting next to my 13 year old who immediately turned to me and asked what's an orgy...

Weee

There were several jokes not at all kid friendly ..that said it was a funny movie.

Not sure why marvel thinks super heroes are supposed to be comedians but I did enjoy the movie. At least the jokes in this one we're mostly funny.

[underpants]

17. Yeah. There was no reason for that.

Haven't gotten the question yet.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. Seriously, a 13 year old doesn't know the word 'orgy'?

I watched 'I Claudius', with actual orgies in it, on TV, with my parents, when I was 8. Asterix comics refer to orgies. This is a matter of vocabulary teaching.

[Blue_Adept]

22. Yeah, that cracked me up to.

I was just talking about this with my mother (78) and my eldest daughter (17) about how I did my film education for her starting at eight by making it clear she was seeing "grown up" movies now, and had to behave properly. And that going to these required talking about certain subjects beforehand and afterward.

We've done that for years (oh man, the talk we had after mother! came out this year) and in the course of talking about it tonight it made me a proud parent because I got that rare "thank you" for what I did. She said it put her ahead of the curve with her classmates who were kept from knowing so many things (some of which she's sure are gonna really have a hard time in college when away from helicopter parents) and it gave her some strong critical thinking skills because I would play devil's advocate to story/character points in the film and how she interpreted it. They do a lot of critical thinking criticism things in her classes in high school and that made her a lot more competitive with an edge.

Now, granted, her dry sarcastic humor that came from some of these films made for some amusing problems in middle school, but thankfully the majority of the teachers were just amused because the things she said went over the other kids heads so they didn't get it.

[msongs]

19. peddlers in the music industry profit by selling worse to children nt

[Sailor65x1]

21. If you are evaluating a movie for your kids,

Commonsensemedia.org movie reviews are a good tool. Each category of potentially troubling material is live-linked to an exact and specific description of that movie's content in that category.

[phleshdef]

23. Drinking copious amounts of alcohol has always been part of Thors character

[Blue_Adept]

25. The first film had quite the scene with them engaging in lots of drinking and food

[Cuthbert Allgood]

24. So you've never read a Thor comic.

Ever. Like not even once in the past 50 years? Because the drinking part? Always been there. He's Thor for goodness sake. The guns? That also is nothing new. The newer comics (i.e. 80s and newer) have had plenty of orgy references. Perhaps not that exact word, but plenty of sex jokes.

Even the guns would not make this R.