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As far as I know the gunmen took his own life and was NOT wounded by the "supposed hero". Besides he had COMPLETED his mission and looks like he ran out of ammunition firing ALL his 30 round magazines. I have seen no indication by the police that he was wounded at this point.
The RW and Trump are using the "arm everyone" meme from the way it looks. Even if he was wounded he had already done all he could and was now leaving the scene.
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malaise
(269,053 posts)The report said the head wound was likely self-inflicted.
Just heard them on GEM$NBComcast
Like you I share the view that losing 26 before a HERO can react makes no sense.
Ban the assault rifles and the magazines with all these cartridges.
Change the gun laws.
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Kablooie
(18,634 posts)The government should just give everyone bullet proof jackets and helmets and create laws that require everyone to wear them in public at all times.
malaise
(269,053 posts)Until a family sues Congress, this shit will continue
atreides1
(16,079 posts)The killer parked his vehicle at the gas station, and walked a block to the church! He was dressed in black tactical gear, wearing a vest , and had his lower face covered.
How is it that on a Sunday morning, no one thought this was just a bit suspicious and a little out of place?
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Nothing unusual about someone being in full tactical gear carrying a semiautomatic rifle in front of a house of worship in Texas.
brooklynite
(94,594 posts)There's no town where someone else would see him unless they were driving down an empty road.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Really.
happy feet
(869 posts)Heard on the news last night he died from a self inflicted gun wound to the head while sitting in his truck. They believe the other wounds came from the man who shot him as he was running from the church and/or in his truck.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)He shot at the neighbor who had been changing his oil, nearly missing his kid. He also exchanged gunfire with the guy who shot him. He wasn't out of ammo and no one knows what else he was going to do. You don't get to make up your own facts just because you don't like the real facts.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Like you, I too pretend a mere potential is an absolute.
Mosby
(16,319 posts)But he had more guns in his car.
Orrex
(63,215 posts)Then you agree that you can't claim that the "good guy" stopped the primary rampage?
That is, the mass murder had already occurred, so the "good guy" didn't have any impact on that.
By your own assertion, "no one knows what else he was going to do," yet gun advocates are willing to assume that he planned more carnage and that he was only stopped by a good guy with a gun.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It was obviously too late to prevent anyone in the church from being shot.
happy feet
(869 posts)Was responding to where the shots came from. That the bystander's bullets didn't kill him as he was running away from the church having already killed and injured the congregants.
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)It is being reported that he took his own life because he was badly wounded by the bystander. Why shit on people who are trying to help?
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)
jmg257
(11,996 posts)ETA facts, per CNN...
When Devin Patrick Kelley opened fire inside the church on Sunday, Stephen Willeford, who lives near the church, grabbed his own gun and ran out of the house barefoot to confront the gunman.
"I kept hearing the shots, one after another, very rapid shots - just 'pop pop pop pop' and I knew every one of those shots represented someone, that it was aimed at someone, that they weren't just random shots," Willeford told CNN affiliate KHBS.
Willeford exchanged gunfire with Kelley as started his escape in his Ford Explorer. He spotted Johnnie Langendorff's truck across the street and hailed him down.
"I said, 'that guy just shot up the Baptist church. We need to stop him," Willeford told the affiliate.
Langendorff didn't hesitate.
"I had to make sure he was caught," Langendorff told CNN. "It was, 'Do everything necessary to make sure that this guy is stopped.'"
The men pursued the gunman for 11 miles, in a chase that reached speeds of 95 mph.
Kelley eventually lost control of his truck and crashed it in a ditch. Police found him dead, with gunshot wounds, one of them self-inflicted.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)Even if you are similarly armed as the shooter and even if you have a vest you are likely to lose once they have the drop on you. plus you ability to hit a target even at close range is limited.
In a firefight under such conditions unless you get a hit immediately you get returned fire right back. How many times have we seen police who are experts miss their targets consistently under fire. You are shaking and firing. Unless you are concealed and unseen you cannot take the carefully aimed shot. And if the other person has a vest the odds are much worse.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)On an active shooter - whom he managed to hit - twice, without getting wounded?
Hmmm...
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Link: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-shooting-guns-20171106-story.html
You don't seem to have a grasp of the facts, so why should we believe anything you post?
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)One of the people interviewed said she sees it "all the time"
ClarendonDem
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GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Denying the obvious because it kills their preferred narrative.
The guy shot up the church but his assumed targets were not there so he was leaving the church. Not turning himself in. Not committing suicide. He still possessed guns. Heading to his truck.
And they hero across the street put 2 bullets in him then pursued with another hero. The shooter crashed most likely due to his injuries and so as not to be captured blew his brains.
The fact is the good guy with a gun stopped an active shooter.
I, and no one here is arguing against rational gun restrictions. He should never had possessed a gun and should not have been able to fire 450 rounds in 3 minutes or so.
But the facts are the facts. For the life of me, I cannot understand why it bothers some so much.
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Reports say he had other guns in his SUV who knows where the crazy bastard may have went?
louis-t
(23,295 posts)a massacre instead of winging the guy after he has killed or wounded almost everyone in the church and is leaving the scene.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Had guns, had just killed 27 and fixing to get in his truck. You suggesting he was going to turn himself in?
The good guys ended the threat. Because of their actions(shooting then chasing him down) resulted in the threat he still presented being eliminated.
Why does that fact bother you so much?
I support laws making it impossible for either the bad guy or the good guy to possess weapons capable of firing the amount of bullets their guns can fire. And for UBC and making and domestic abuse(felony or not) grounds for a lifetime ban.
But the facts in this isolated case is that a civilian with a gun ended the threat.
Have a nice day.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)I know you gun lovers have to embellish to make your point, but I didn't say anything like that, did I? Did I? Maybe you think the guy was going to do something besides put a gun to his own head? The guy had finished his sick mission. There is no indication that he was going to continue his killing streak. Everyone he had a grudge against was (he thought) in that church. The 'civilian' did not end the threat, the original shooter ended the threat by putting a gun to his own head. And the pursuer could have just as easily been killed.
In this very rare case, a guy with a gun who was chasing someone who had no business being allowed to purchase a gun and had just shot up a church, managed to keep the shooter firing after he left the church by engaging in a reckless gun battle with him while driving. Luckily, no one else was killed because of the recklessness of the original shooter or his pursuer.
There, happy?
If anyone else had been hit while this guy was chasing the original shooter, it would have been on him, correct?
The only thing that "bothers" me is that every gun nut in the country can now repeat NRA talking points, point their boney fingers and say "see, ever'body should be armed to the teeth and shooting at ever'thing that moves. More gunssss makes us safer!11!!"
onenote
(42,714 posts)He apparently had a significant grudge with his mother in law and she wasn't there. He didn't shoot with his eyes closed. I still don't know how long he was there, but it wasn't fifteen seconds.
And honestly, how the heck do you know who else he might have had a grudge with?
It's possible to hold these two thoughts in one's head simultaneously: this guy performed a brave and heroic act by confronting an active shooter who had just shot up a church. And, the fact that there was a guy around to stop further carnage doesn't lessen the need for changes in the law that would have prevented any carnage from taking place in the first instance.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Who knew?
Remember I am not arguing that the good guy should have been able to by an AR. I am opposed to allowing high capacity magazines. And for UBC. Basically the entire Democratic Party Platform with even more restrictions. We agree!
I am just talking about the events as they happened. A good guy shot the bad guy eliminated the threat.
Have a good one.
onenote
(42,714 posts)My post echoes yours.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)The active shooter was still firing rounds from his vehicle.
"I know I hit him," Willeford said. "He got into his vehicle, and he fired another couple rounds through his side window. When the window dropped, I fired another round at him again."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/11/06/man-who-put-end-carnage-texas/838700001/
louis-t
(23,295 posts)If he wasn't actively being chased, he wouldn't have kept firing. He had accomplished his sick mission. If someone else had been killed while Willeford was firing at the guy, it would be on Willeford.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)And, how do you know what the guy was thinking, and would, or wouldn't have done?
louis-t
(23,295 posts)You are convinced (like Drumpf) that he would have killed "hundreds more".
pintobean
(18,101 posts)He rightfully didn't get any benefit of doubt.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)It is the end game of all cowardly, AR-15 bearing mass murderers.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)Colorado Springs, December 2007
lame54
(35,293 posts)That's illogical
He had the means to kill others
Luckily he made a different choice
billh58
(6,635 posts)Texas has been looking for a role model since John Wayne died.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Wrath of the educators, apologizers and deniers to educate, apologize and deny more. Please don't do that. I like em in their cave.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)The guy was still armed, was shooting at people outside the church who were not affiliated with the congregation and had not yet found his intended victims.
He was, by every definition, an active shooter at the time the citizen engaged him.
And, as is the pattern with almost all active shooters like this the moment he encountered armed resistance he stopped targeting people, fled and killed himself.
The citizen heard gunfire, retrieved his lawfully owned firearm, loaded it as fast as he could and ran toward the sound of gunfire to try and stop the murder, at great risk to himself. He got two hits in the guy under extreme stress, impressive performance. He is not a “supposed” hero, he is a hero.
The fact that people here are willing to belittle this guy, diminish or dismiss what he did or flat out misrepresent the facts (like claiming he didn’t hit him) just because it represents a reality they don’t want to admit exists is disgusting. This man ran toward danger at great risk to himself to stop a murder, and the way some people here are attacking him or dimishing what he did solely because they don’t like the political implications of it are flat out disgusting.