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mucifer

(23,569 posts)
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:37 AM Nov 2017

LA Times: Mueller's Record Has Lots of Flaws

But at 73, Mueller's record also shows a man of fallible judgment who can be slow to alter his chosen course. At times, he has intimidated or provoked resentment among subordinates. And his tenacious yet linear approach to evaluating evidence led him to fumble the biggest U.S. terrorism investigation since 9/11.


Mueller led a team of four prosecutors in court when the second trial, with 11 defendants, began in October 1980. But after four months, the jury said it was deadlocked, and the judge declared a mistrial. Mueller decided not to ask for a retrial.

Richard B. Mazer, a defense lawyer at both trials, said the government was unable to prove the Hells Angels was a racketeering enterprise. Key prosecution witnesses, he said, seemed unreliable — especially those granted immunity to testify despite having committed violent crimes themselves.

"They made a mess of it," Mazer recalled. "It was an entirely snitch case. It depended entirely on the quality of snitches."



http://beta.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-mueller-record-20171122-story.html

Oy Vey! I hope this investigative piece from the LA Times doesn't prove to be what's coming for our country.
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LA Times: Mueller's Record Has Lots of Flaws (Original Post) mucifer Nov 2017 OP
they will do their best to destroy Mueller the closer he gets to trump spanone Nov 2017 #1
"They" are here on DU too. BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #17
Yup MFM008 Nov 2017 #24
37 years I would hazard a guess young Mueller was a tad less experienced than now? Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #25
RWers have taken over the LA times Iliyah Nov 2017 #2
"RWers have taken over the LA times." LenaBaby61 Nov 2017 #29
There is no agenda behind this article dalton99a Nov 2017 #3
Why didn't Rosenstein choose a prosecutor with a perfect record? oasis Nov 2017 #4
This is all they have on Mueller? One botched case 40 years ago? Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #15
Mueller had overwhelming support across the board when oasis Nov 2017 #21
His record in Viet Nam told me all I needed to know about the man. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #22
Do you think............ MyOwnPeace Nov 2017 #5
They seem concerned. Cracklin Charlie Nov 2017 #6
Yeah? FUCK YOU, Sam Zell! Chasstev365 Nov 2017 #7
+1 dalton99a Nov 2017 #8
This is the 2nd time this article has been posted here in GD. Ya gotta wonder. Kaleva Nov 2017 #9
Nothing to wonder , for me. I know what is going on. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #12
It's obvious. yardwork Nov 2017 #16
I am glad it was posted. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #23
What might be similar is the complete lack of moral character dembotoz Nov 2017 #10
LA Times Billb93 Nov 2017 #11
Right wing attacks on Mueller himself. We all knew it was coming Roland99 Nov 2017 #13
Mueller has probably been expecting it...... nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #14
Prosecutors are often creeps, why not Mueller? Trump should worry. Cicada Nov 2017 #18
Yes, lots of flaws in that 1980 trial (!) gratuitous Nov 2017 #19
what a bullshit hit piece. That someone decides to impugn the capabilities of an on-going still_one Nov 2017 #20
Et tu LA Times? Sneederbunk Nov 2017 #26
Interesting. Tatiana Nov 2017 #27
Good. GallopingGhost Nov 2017 #28
 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
17. "They" are here on DU too.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:40 AM
Nov 2017

100's of articles extolling the meticulous, detailed and methodical nature of a Mueller investigation and one article that tries to turn those attributes on its head...and of course gets posted here.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
25. 37 years I would hazard a guess young Mueller was a tad less experienced than now?
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 02:55 PM
Nov 2017

The desperation as RW media coordinate an attack is obvious.

LenaBaby61

(6,979 posts)
29. "RWers have taken over the LA times."
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 03:06 PM
Nov 2017

Yep ^^^

I had been subscribed to the Times for about 28 years. However, the last 5-6 years there started being more and more right-wingers taking up space there and spewing, so I ditched them.

oasis

(49,410 posts)
4. Why didn't Rosenstein choose a prosecutor with a perfect record?
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:46 AM
Nov 2017

"Wrong Way" Mueller dropped the ball 40 years ago.

Irish_Dem

(47,446 posts)
15. This is all they have on Mueller? One botched case 40 years ago?
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:36 AM
Nov 2017

We have all botched up things when we were younger.
That is how we learn to do a better job next time.

oasis

(49,410 posts)
21. Mueller had overwhelming support across the board when
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:49 AM
Nov 2017

he was appointed Special Counsel. Any negative history wasn't worth putting forward at that time. This LA Times article is as weak as it is useless.

Irish_Dem

(47,446 posts)
22. His record in Viet Nam told me all I needed to know about the man.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:05 PM
Nov 2017

Uncanny sense of outsmarting his enemy.
Totally respect of his troops. Courage, nerves of steel, knows how to survive in
a hostile environment.

MyOwnPeace

(16,939 posts)
5. Do you think............
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:47 AM
Nov 2017

it's possible that the "investigator" has learned a thing or two in the years since?

M A G A = Mueller Ain't Going Away

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
6. They seem concerned.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 09:47 AM
Nov 2017

Hope it’s not contagious.

Edit: “concerned” in quotation marks that didn’t show up.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
12. Nothing to wonder , for me. I know what is going on.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 10:41 AM
Nov 2017

Same thing with Al Franken, who is a great Senator and guilty solely of taking a single, stupid photograph.

period

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
23. I am glad it was posted.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 12:49 PM
Nov 2017

Important to know where the the opposition is coming from.
DU has a wide audience, and most people outside of Cal. are probably not aware of the leanings of state newspapers.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
18. Prosecutors are often creeps, why not Mueller? Trump should worry.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:42 AM
Nov 2017

I can easily believe Mueller has been over zealous, oppressive, cold blooded, flawed. Prosecutors have so much power it’s not hard for them to abuse it. What’s to stop abuse? Nothing, really. And Lord Acton had it right when he said power corrupts. But that just makes Mueller even scarier for Trump figures.

The big issue is whether witnesses forced to rat out superiors tell lies to make their proffered testimony more valuable, to make it more likely to lead to leniency. We have to watch out for that.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
19. Yes, lots of flaws in that 1980 trial (!)
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:46 AM
Nov 2017

And Mueller's investigating a faultless man of sterling character, a man whose public record is one of unbroken service and regard for others before himself, who has surrounded himself with only the best, most knowledgeable staff.

LA Times: Give me a fucking break, here. What bullshit be this?

still_one

(92,419 posts)
20. what a bullshit hit piece. That someone decides to impugn the capabilities of an on-going
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 11:47 AM
Nov 2017

investigation, by citing an unrelated case is garbage

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
27. Interesting.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 03:03 PM
Nov 2017

Had to reach all the way back to 1980 for something to smear him with.

Thanks, but I'm going to stick by Mueller for the time being. He has assembled possibly one of the strongest prosecutorial teams in American history. If his decision-making was lacking in any way, he has very good counsel to keep things moving in the right direction.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
28. Good.
Sat Nov 25, 2017, 03:06 PM
Nov 2017

Let them continue to dismiss Mueller. Won't do any good in the minds of thinking Americans, and they'll look all the more foolish when the take down happens.

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