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Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 02:30 AM Nov 2017

The forced hypocrisy of modern consumerist culture.

Just wanted to muse about some things that are not at all original.

There is a sense in which to live as a middle class liberal person in the modern world, one is forced to live hypocritically. On the one hand one has to face the realization that modern consumerist culture is built on a form of consenting slavery. Technically speaking it's not slavery of course because people can choose to live in even greater poverty, if not starvation. But make no mistake about it the only reason we in the first world can have iphones, 60" HDTVs, gaming consoles, and so much more at fire sale prices is because someone else is working 70 hours a week assembling them at 100s an hour for pennies on the dollar. Now of course this is how our modern capitalist system has always worked and it's true that capitalism IS an engine for wealth creation. This is not an argument that any form of communism is the solution. But any liberal, progressive, left leaning person in the 1st world has to feel some sense of guilt in living a middle class life knowing that a good deal of the materialist goods that make their lives middle class, are made at a pretty high human cost.

We all know this. We don't like to think about it until it occasionally hits the front page when say 1000 people die in a garment factory in Bangladesh in a fire, or workers at the Fox Conn factory die in such large numbers due to suicide that the factory puts up nets. But these are just the tip of the iceberg and the reality is that the majority of all consumer merchandise is made at a very high human cost, both physical and emotional.

Many do try to mitigate some of these effects by boycotting certain producers or certain retailers. But I think the majority choose to live in a kind of tense hypocritical limbo. They are aware of these facts but choose to put them out of mind in order to live their day to day lives as middle class individuals.

Note here that I am not blaming people for doing this. Indeed I feel that some form of hypocritical awareness is indeed perhaps the only emotionally healthy way we can approach the subject. For IMO the logical alternative would lead one to have to almost live off the grid to avoid such harm.

Also, alternatively the argument that capitalism IS an engine for wealth, and improves the lives of those on the other end manufacturing "our" goods isn't entirely wrong either. My argument that people are willing slaves is of course an exaggeration and indeed people flock in the millions from rural areas of 2nd/3rd world countries to work those factory jobs. Because the money they earn however meager is still much better than they would otherwise. But this is still a troubling argument in my opinion, for the livelihoods of these people are artificially lowered so that ours can be raised to the level that we are accustomed to.

So as I said one is left with a somewhat troubling realization. That to live a comfortable middle class life in any 1st world country, almost by definition means doing so on the backs of millions of others clamoring for the same lives. And yet it's difficult to actually blame anyone in the 1st world for their middle class lives, aside from the super wealthy who indeed drive much of this engine and keep the disparity at the levels they are at.

So as I said I do feel that certain amount of conscious hypocrisy in the way we live is almost oddly kind of the healthiest emotional balance. I'm not saying we do nothing of course. I think we should do as much as we can to force business in the direction of conscientious practices. I think what we really need to do is put the feet of the worlds ultra billionaires to the fire. The concentration of wealth at that level is such that they alone have enough collectively to ease a lot of the burden.

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The forced hypocrisy of modern consumerist culture. (Original Post) Locut0s Nov 2017 OP
This realization is horrible. kcr Nov 2017 #1
Well said oberliner Nov 2017 #2
Likewise, we mustn't overlook the environmental impacts of our consumer culture. hunter Nov 2017 #3
And Consumerism plays a huge role in climate change Duppers Nov 2017 #4
I think you've made a fundamental error by HeartachesNhangovers Nov 2017 #5
Why complain without an alternative? GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #6

kcr

(15,317 posts)
1. This realization is horrible.
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 08:38 AM
Nov 2017

The truth is there is no way to live in a capitalist society and enjoy the fruits of its wealth or product without exploiting others. It sucks when you realize just how bad it is. There are many who will underplay it or deny it completely, but it isn't true. There will be all kinds of hand waving about how horrible the alternatives are as if that somehow erases the massive problems with capitalism. No system could possibly be perfect and yes, that's true. But it's still hard to struggle with this.

You can't drop out of society completely, so what can you do? My own personal solution is to do the best I can and vote for and support candidates who promote the social and regulatory policies that will mitigate as much of the damage as possible.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
2. Well said
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 09:30 AM
Nov 2017

Agree with your analysis.

I think there is a similar phenomenon at work with regard to the food most people eat. Especially with respect to anyone who claims to care about animal welfare, but that kind of talk doesn't tend to go over very well.

hunter

(38,316 posts)
3. Likewise, we mustn't overlook the environmental impacts of our consumer culture.
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 01:28 PM
Nov 2017

A lot of coal is burned making and operating consumer goods.

Places where the exotic materials used in consumer goods are mined and refined are often hell on earth, and this pollution maims and kills those who live and work there.

Globally, increasing levels of greenhouse gasses will end the consumer culture which has spread worldwide. Places that now support very large human populations will become uninhabitable. Refugee crises will become worse, even within nations like the United States.

I'm a hypocrite, my environmental footprint is smaller than most affluent North Americans, but much larger than the average human's.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
4. And Consumerism plays a huge role in climate change
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 06:31 PM
Nov 2017

Consumerism plays a huge role in climate change

It’s easy to hate on consumption. It turns otherwise intelligent people into manipulable drones, leads to rampant privacy violations, helps people like Jeff Bezos and Sam Walton get disgustingly rich and powerful, encourages advertisers to shove garbage like this in our faces, and culminates every year in a tradition so degrading and horrific that it forces us to question whether we all really did die after Y2K and this is actually hell.

But here’s one more thing: A new study published in the Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that the stuff we consume — from food to knick-knacks — is responsible for up to 60 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions and between 50 and 80 percent of total land, material, and water use. So, you know, get that Amazon trigger finger ready, because you’re gonna want to do some comfort shopping after this.

http://grist.org/living/consumerism-plays-a-huge-role-in-climate-change/

5. I think you've made a fundamental error by
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 06:55 PM
Nov 2017

equating capitalism with consumerism. I've used this example before: homesteaders who live in rustic cabins with no modern amenities and who maybe make a couple of thousand dollars a year selling honey or other animal products are probably capitalists; they believe in private ownership of property and they believe that they have the right to freely sell or trade that property to others. That is the essence of capitalism and it does not imply or require consumerism. You can be a capitalist and live the life of a hermit in a cave.

Consumerism is a completely different issue, and it seems to be a defining part of American culture. Americans act as if they believe that having lots of things, and new things, will make them happy. That doesn't have anything to do with capitalism, but it is a serious problem for the consumers themselves (who contribute to their own financial insecurity), to their friends and family (who are neglected while the consumers work more to buy things), and to nature and the environment which pays the price for the production or raw materials to make stuff and the pollution that stuff manufacturing and delivery produces.

So what's the answer? Be a good example: Live a rich, happy life without buying stuff, retire early with the money you save not buying stuff. Of course, you don't have to not buy anything. Even little things like keeping a car for 10 years, or being satisfied with a 20" TV for 10 years, using the same phone for 5 years, buying good quality clothes that provide a lot of use. Even little things like this are alien to many Americans.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
6. Why complain without an alternative?
Sun Nov 26, 2017, 07:22 PM
Nov 2017

Does modern capitalism have problems and tons of excesses? Of course.

But world wide the quality of life had been improving for more people faster than at any time in history.

I am a social democrat. By definition that means I want to use capitalism to pull people out of abject poverty. Which it has been doing world wide. What we are missing in this country is the need to ride capitalism hard and put it up wet; insuring it creates wealth without many of excesses we see now in this nation. Other countries are much closer to getting it right.

I cannot see a time when the majority of Americans, or even Democrats give up on capitalism. I can see a time where we come closer to creating the necessary balance to keep capitalism from killing as all, as all systems will eventually do left on their own. That is what I am fighting for.

Interesting discussion. Have a nice evening.



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