Restoring The Draft Will Activate The Populace. If Trump Attacks N. Korea We Will Need One.

[TheMastersNemesis]

Attacking North Korea will start a wider war. Who knows who will be on whose side. No way preset forces in the South can stop the North Korean army. The South could be over run in a very short time. And we would lose some of our ships in the process.

[Girard442]

1. An attack on NK will most likely start a nuclear war.

A draft would be irrelevant.

[bluestarone]

3. well

not to sure about that. thinking we'll still need the draft

[NightWatcher]

2. There's not going to be ground troops. It'll be a button pushing war.

[TheMastersNemesis]

5. Most Likely Scenario.Of Course.

[Matthew28]

4. Just say no war!

[blueinredohio]

6. Who knows which countries will be on our side since Trump has pissed everybody off

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

7. Given that we've managed quite nicely without a draft

despite nonstop wars for nearly two decades now, I seriously doubt that a war with Korea will necessitate a draft. Maybe if there's a plan to invade and occupy, but keep in mind that it takes time to set up a draft, actually draft young men (and probably women) and then push them through basic training. Probably a year's lead time. Which actually means a draft would need to be put in place about a year before.

For those of you who do not know the history of the draft and WWII, more than a year before we got into that war, the first peacetime draft ever was put in place. I'm under the impression that it was due to expire but was renewed shortly before Pearl Harbor, but a quick Google search doesn't clarify that.

In any case, no one can just wave a magic wand and institute a draft in a very short time.

If, and only if, North Korea would attack this country in some way (although it's hard to imagine that being done effectively), there might be enough war fever to justify instituting a draft. But even then, as noted above, we won't get trained soldiers in very short order.

[Dan]

9. Recommend you get out your history book

And read up on the Korean conflict. If a regular war (without nukes) then the US will need several hundred thousand troops to engage NK. And that assumes that China does not decide that the US is just too damn close...then add a few hundred more. Plus, I would bet that our traditional allies wouldn’t want any part of Trump’s war (especially after GW’s war) - and the worse part... North Korea can’t afford to lose - because if it appears that they might - then the skies will light up.

My thoughts.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

10. But we still had an ongoing draft at that point.

That's what I'm talking about.

Remember how long it took to get things in place so we could invade Iraq? Building up the troop numbers needed for a conventional war would take months.

On the other hand, a nuclear strike would seen quite efficient and wouldn't require an occupying army.

[Dan]

17. Another sad thought

Our fearless leader has created such a visible divide in this nation... I question the follows:
(1) Would the nation mobilize behind him, given (to me) that this mess with North Korea has more to do with his stupid tweeting and name calling; As a parent would you support your child going to war for him;

(2) While troops could in theory be drafted and sent to war - this is not Vietnam, now you have a situation where there is the reality that people from the Red States / Blue States seriously dislike each other as a results of his actions; Do you not anticipate that there will be some spillover. (Please, don't give me that line because we are all in a combat zone - we would keep our negative opinions on the sidelines. This is a totally different generational group than the Vietnam era young men/women)).

(3) Do you honestly think that a nuclear exchange will be limited to clearly defined geographical locations without the change of spill over (radiation, mis-targeting, etc.);

(4) Given the hatred/dislike that Trump has stirred up in this nation - how does this nation plan to deal with the refugee problem - direct them to China or welcome them to the US?

(5) I guess the best situation is that while Trump is quite willing to send our children to die, he is a true chicken-shit and not willing to lay his life on the line. So, since North Korea can target the location of his fat ass, I suspect he is pissing his pants at the thought of a conflagration;

And my laugh of the day... if that situation gets out of control and results in an active conflict - regardless of outcome, if I had a say, the refugees from that potential mess would be relocated to the red states.

P.S. Do you honestly expect Trump to have the back of the men/women that he would send to war? He will do whatever his handlers in Russia tell him to do - and not what is best for the U.S.;

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

30. Well, let's see. As a parent I would absolutely NOT support my child going

to war just about anywhere, and definitely not anywhere that Trump would want to send said kid.

I haven't a clue about whether a nuclear exchange would be limited. I don't know enough about, say, China's commitment to defend North Korea in event of a nuclear attack.

And my essential point is simply that bringing back a draft will not happen very quickly. People here often bring up a return of the draft as if it's something that can be put in place quickly and easily. I don't think so. I also think there would be huge opposition from many fronts.

Keep in mind that in 1940, when the first peace time draft in this country was enacted, we were still recovering from the Great Depression, and being in the army meant steady food and a roof overhead.

I don't think there will be a groundswell of support for Trump if he actually does lead us into war with North Korea.

Just my take on things.

[uponit7771]

8. I can't imagine a whole military force who will want to fight for Red Dons dumbness

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

11. There were many who didn't want to fight for LBJ's adventure.

But, got drafted anyway.

The draft board and the army are not swayed by the wishes of some 19-year-olds.

[uponit7771]

12. Well ... I wasn't alive but didn't people find out later that the reason for fighting was made up?

I'm thinking with Red Don the reason for fighting wont be believed from get not years later into the affair

[former9thward]

31. No, it wasn't years after the event.

LBJ faced opposition and resistance from the beginning to his war. There was an active anti-war movement in the military and almost all large army bases had anti-war newspapers.

[uponit7771]

33. wow ... LBJ made the wrong move from the beginning then ... jus damn

[MineralMan]

13. If we attack North Korea, it will be a war of technology, not personnel.

Those days are over, I think.

[bluestarone]

14. probably right BUT If North invades South it

could become a quagmire Like Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan wars. in town fighting? wow could be a real mess. technology didn't help much there. just saying.

[Lee-Lee]

15. Draft for the next Korean War is fantasy

And I say that as someone who got several ears was assigned to the S-4 (logistics) section of one of the USAR commands that was responsible for doing the training of draftees if needed.

A war in Korea will be over and settled within 2-5 weeks one way or the other. This is not 1950 anymore. There are two ways this plays out- either the North can totally overrun the peninsula within the first 20 days before we can land serious reinforcements and they win or they fail and their Army collapses because they have no logistics to handle a sustained fight.

Either way it’s over in weeks for the serious fighting.

If they do take the Peninsula then we won’t invade- we don’t have the stomach for the massive losses an amphibious assault would take.

Now, a draft will take 193 days by law to produce the first draftees reporting for duty after the selective service system is activated.. Then 7 days to transport and process inductees. Then you start training. The shortest pipeline is Infantry where basic and AIT are rolled into one training unit at 15 weeks now. It’s acknowledged that with lower qualify recruits that a draft provides over a volunteer force you will need to add at least 2 weeks to this so at 17 weeks.

So about 320 days after the Selective Service System is activated your very first draftee will graduate training and be ready to be assigned to a unit.

And that is if everything goes perfectly smooth.

And it won’t go smooth, because since the 90’s they have been tearing down the backup facilities that would have been used for this mission. There used to be a lot of older barracks and mess halls that were more or less in caretaker status for this mission. With the end of the Cold War the idea of needing them has fallen from view and most have been torn down to make room for other stuff and not replaced- so right now they would have to find where to train all these draftees first.

Logistically a draft won’t produce the very first new troop until many months too late to be a factor in any future conflict in Korea.

[steve2470]

16. I really like your posts

You're calm, level-headed, and cite facts. Keep up the good work

[Dan]

18. Yes, I like what you said

kind of reminds me of the initial Korean conflict - we should be home by Xmas.

My opinion is slightly different than yours - I would say that right now if an active conflict happens, we don't have enough body bags.

[steve2470]

19. did you mean to respond to Lee-Lee ? nt

[Dan]

20. yes, sorry :(

[steve2470]

22. no worries, I really like the yellow tab thing on "My Posts"

It tells me someone responded to me.

[Lee-Lee]

23. Oh, casualties will be in the tens or hundreds of thousands

But they will all happen in a short period.

The North Koreans can’t actually feed their military and keep them healthy now. They don’t have the logistics for a sustained fight. Their only hope of winning would be a desperate gambit to make a fast run to overwhelm the peninsula very rapidly before their forces collapse, because their only advantage is sheer numbers of people.

This isn’t 1950. They don’t have the Soviet Union sending them massive amounts of weapons and aircraft and vehicles and food. They don’t have a China willing to send hundreds of troops to die in the name of communist brotherhood anymore. The mismatch in air power alone will be way lopsided after the first few days have passed without China and the Soviet Union sending them planes and pilots- and in 1950 they had pretty evenly matched aircraft while now what North Korea has is way obsolete for most of their fleet.

Lots of people will die, but in a really short period.

[Dan]

24. Interesting...

First, I hope that somehow someway someone with a lick of sense can intervene - rather than the idiots now in control of the White House and the Sec. of State's Department.

Okay - if conflict happens: The capital of South Korea will provide the food/resources that the army of North Korea will need. North Korea has lived a life of desperation for a long time;

Second - The American people will shit their collective pants at the realization that our entertainer president has gotten us into a real, live shooting war - where calling names and sending insults is not going to stop the mess.

Third - The decimation of the SOS department means that we have no one to negotiate - unless the star of the 'Art of the Deal' negotiates for us, in which case he will probably give up half of America to North Korea.

Fourth - Trump belongs to Russia, no one that has been paying attention can doubt that. So, Russia won't be a factor in a conflict with North Korea. China is the wild card. Just as Trump plays to his alt-right base, race politics can also influence how China decides to respond.

Fifth - Just like Vietnam, how many hundreds of thousands/ or potentially millions are we willing to kill?

and finally, in my opinion if a conflict is over in a short time - then it will have gone nuclear;

But honestly, you have some good thoughts - and I am just an old man looking at the past as a guide to the future.

Smile.

[Lee-Lee]

25. What is left in Seoul wont last a week for the KPA if that

And that is if, big if, they could efficiently capture, organize and distribute it.

Pillaging as a logistics strategy went by the wayside as an effective military strategy about 125 years ago. You can’t sustain a force like that. At best the existing food stocks they would capture would last maybe a week, and without Korean farms and producers turning out there won’t be more for them.

[Dan]

28. Probably right...

But a little rice goes a long way...

[nocalflea]

29. This 4Fer more than appreciates your "insiders" viewpoint.

I am , personally , clueless.

[maryellen99]

21. I think the IOC has made a huge mistake in not moving or postponing the Winter Olympics in SK nt

[TEB]

26. As a former vet infantry

I’ll help any draft age person to evade draft if fuck head causes a ground war over his stupid. He doesn’t even rate a stupidity hope it stays peaceful.

[left-of-center2012]

27. A war with North Korea would be short and deadly

Nukes, bombers, and artillery.
No draft needed.

Plus Congress will never pass another draft.

[NCTraveler]

32. NK would be twenty minutes...

Of the most obscene fireworks show in history. I don’t see how a “war” with them starts any other way. I don’t think we will need more than a couple hundred thousand ground troops after that. If it were to happen the country would be left with zero leadership and an occupying force that can’t nation build well. Not many can.